Myths you would like dispelled

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  1. PeterC.Edinburgh2004

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    Hi. Just thought I'd start a topic to introduce myself to the forum.

    Common opinions that bear no resemblance to actuality

    1. McEnroe is always right when arguing a line call because he has amazing vision that allows him to see when a ball is a millimetre in or out.

    2. Lendl acted like an emotionless robot when out on court.

    3. The 1980 Wimbledon men's final was 5 sets of outstanding shotmaking.
     
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  2. mtr1

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    1. Rafael Nadal was injured during the 2009 French Open.
    2. David Nalbandian is a God.
    3. Ernests Gulbis will be a top 10 player.
     
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  3. AutoXer

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    ALL WTA players are headcases. Good luck disproving that one :p
     
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    1. Rafa > Federer
    2. WTA is interesting
     
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  5. hoodjem

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    Federer is the GOAT, already.
     
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    The 2009 US Open Womens Singles results dispelled this myth: a one-slam winner comes out of retirement after taking two years off and having a baby, practices for 8 weeks, and in her third tournament back proceeds to wipe the court with every single women player out there (losing only two sets for the whole tournament), including the great and mighty Serena.

    Talk about a weak era!
     
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  7. 35ft6

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    - Fed has a weak backhand.
    - Serve and volley is dying ONLY because nobody is teaching it.
     
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    -This era of the WTA is so much weaker and less deep than the WTA eras of the past when Evert, Navratilova, and Graf made everyone their whooping girls.

    -90s tennis on the men's side was better because more players "attacked the net" and played serve and volley.

    -Hewitt only won slams because of a weak era and is not a great player.

    -Safin "when on", or any of these other mythical figures "when on" (Nalbandian, Gulbis, etc.) is unbeatable.

    -Federer has never beaten Nadal (that's the way some make it out to seem)

    -Agassi was a consistently great rival to Sampras all throughout the 90s.

    -Nadal was suspended for doping.
     
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  9. jrepac

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    myths

    Fed is God

    Serena is in good shape

    The rankings system makes sense

    WTA is competitive

    Nadal never took 'roids
     
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    Borg's sole reason for retiring was because he realized he could no longer beat McEnroe.
     
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  11. BTURNER

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    Chris Evert wasn't a great athlete

    Navratilova was mentally fragile
     
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  12. borg number one

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    The players that played with wood racquets just couldn't hit the ball hard at all. You can just tell by watching them on You Tube, even if you know absolutely nothing about playing with wood racquets.

    The players of today must be much more skilled and athletic, so THAT'S WHY they're able to generate so much more pace than players before the 1990's or 1980's.

    Really, the racquets don't help that much in terms of hitting the ball hard, if at all. It's the increase in skill and athletic ability that allows them to generate so much more pace than was ever possible before. Rod Laver just couldn't hit the ball like say Murray or Del Potro can these days and neither could Borg. Murray and Del Potro are far better athletes and much more skilled than Laver or Borg. The athletes of today are just INCREDIBLE!
     
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    I was not comparing eras per se Borg #1, and I was using a broader definition of athlete than just pace of shot. I concur that today's champs are better athletes secondary to a variety of factors. Evert was one of the top three- five fastest and strongest women on the court in her era, but at no time was she either the best or the second best athlete. Exception: her physical endurance and sense of balance were second to almost nobody.
     
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    1. Henin is the "female Federer." That's just idiotic in too many ways to list, and no, a shared 1H-BH does not make the comparison any more convincing.

    2. Agassi's Wimbledon win was not a fluke of the highest order.

    3. The men's field of today is the greatest, toughest field in history. Oh..wait, that's not really a strong myth as only a few seriously believe every word of that.
     
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  15. drakulie

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    Nadal was injured during Wimbledon. :roll:
     
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  16. davey25

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    1. Serena is grossly out of shape. In 2005 and 2006 yes, now just a bunch of nonsense hating from people that want to demean both her and the womens game.

    2. Federer is the GOAT. He just isnt. One of the greatest ever yes. However his overall achievements arent up with Rosewall, Gonzales, or Laver. Considering his lack of quality competition relative to other greats, and other variables that involve luck, what he has achieved is not quite as impressive as either Sampras or Borg as well.

    3. Seles was the female GOAT to be. I am sure she would have had an even greater career without the stabbing but she was not on her way to being the female GOAT. Possibly preventing Graf from becoming it (which many now consider her), now that is another matter altogether.

    4. Safina cant win a slam because of her mental game. Her mental game sucks I agree, but her talent level simply isnt slam winning worthy barring some major technical and tactical upgrades. In all honesty she is a major overachiever, there has never been a less talented women with fewer tools to work with be ranked #1 and reach as many slam finals as she has.

    5. that Murray or Djokovic are a future #1. The only future #1s out there today are Del Potro, Cilic, or (more likely) someone we dont even know of yet. It will never be Djokovic or Murray, other than maybe Djokovic for a cup of coffee stint but that is it.

    6. that Sampras sucked on clay. He actually was a very good clay courter from 1992-1996 minus 1995. Yes alot of his career he did suck on clay but he had a nice stretch where he was a fine clay court player despite never winning the French.

    7. that Henin completely owns Clijsters. It is true she has the big edge of 7 slam titles to 2, had the big head to head edge in their mutual primes, and right now is the greater player career wise by a long ways. However people forget Kim actually owned Justine until the Spring of 2003 when everything changed. As that was the time both were starting to really threaten for slams it was bad timing for Kim for it to change. Their overall head to head for their whole careers is very close I believe though. Who knows how it might play out in the 2nd career of both though, maybe same, maybe a swing back the other way, or maybe something in the middle.

    8. That Venus was always a bad clay courter. This one is even worse than the Sampras once. From 1998-2004 she was actually a very good clay courter and many times one of the favorites to win the French. In 1999 most considered her the favorite to win the French. She had beaten Hingis, destroyed a prime Pierce, and won several tier 1 and tier title on the surface. In 2004 she was undefeated on clay until the French. She was once one of the top clay courters and a real contender at the French though she never won it. Yeah now she is hopeless on clay, but for her whole career she wasnt. She deserves to be rated as a quite good clay courter based on her performances that 7 year span I referred to, even if she was overall an underachiever at the French.

    9. That Venus and Serena always play bad matches vs each other. They generally play better matches than Henin and Clijsters have vs each other, though I concede the Henin-Clijsters final to start the year was a very nice match and hopefully a sign of better things to come for their future meetings. Venus and Serena have had some excellent matches- 2002 Wimbledon final, 2003 Ausralian Open final, 2008 Wimbledon final, and some others.

    10. That Navratilova is the queen of longevity. Longevity of very good play yes, longevity of great or close to top level which is more important for a great definitely not. Her own prime level only lasted from 1982-1986, considerably shorter than Evert, Graf, Court, and some others. Even Serena with multiple slam years now 7 years apart surpasses her in longevity in the true sense.
     
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  17. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    Agreed; the motives for their hatred have nothing to do with her actual physical conditioning.


    Excellent point..though the revisionist history tossed around this board would have all believng the opposite.

    Great observation. Safina simply lacks genuine talent; it is nothing short of a miracle that she ever reached #1...other than being a mindless workhorse.


    Murray can get it..but I feel it will only come when Federer, Del Porto, et al, are so out of it as contenders, that anyone could waltz their way to the position.

    ^ This should be tagged to any of the transparent attempts to cut down Venus' level of play in favor of others...

    True.

    I can see certain members trying to pick this apart...
     
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  18. Mansewerz

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    1. Players of yesteryear would crush players nowadays easily.

    The players of yesteryear are super-overrated on this board.

    I'm not saying they sucked. There are players with legitimate claims to GOAT, the GOAT imo is a personal opinion.
     
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  19. jaggy

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    Losing is better than being a pusher
     
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  20. Danstevens

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    Most of those are very good points. I wish to politely disagree with the Federer one though as his achievements in the opinion of the majority of people are equal to or greater than those of the players you mention and the other GOAT candidates. I'm not saying that he is the GOAT but he has one of if not the best case. I certainly don't think it's right to say that he is less worthy of the GOAT title than Borg or Sampras as it is obvious that he has, on the whole, achieved much more than them (although Borg did have very stiff competition in his era). As said, that was just me stating my opinion and I really don't want to turn this thread in to a flame war.

    The Murray/Djokovic point was an excellent one - by the time the Roger/Rafa domination is over, it is likely that Djokovic and Murray will be too old to dominate the game for any sort of long period. I'm sure that a young contender to the number one spot will have come of age by then too.

    Again, great point with Safina. It doesn't seem to have occurred to people that maybe she just isn't good enough to win a slam. She may prove me and you wrong and go on to accomplish great things but somehow, I just don't see it happening.
     
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  21. Mansewerz

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    Grigor Dimitrov!!!!!????? :D

    I'm thinking that Nadal and Fed will be done in the next couple years, but that's true.

    Djokovic and Murray playing based on current form are good, but will they keep that up in the next couple years?
     
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  22. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    No, it was simply a superior era, and not one with an endless assembly line of one-dimensional baseliners, with a small number of two-legged hiccups in the line, like the present day.

    He's not great. That title does not belong to a guy who arguably got lucky in a transitional period.

    Agreed, here. This was tennis writer/TV commentator revisionist history in order to justify their hype and love for someone who spent the first half of his career being Mr. Image is Everything.

    Well.........until you can conclusively prove he was not, the questions remain. This--after all--is the world of pro sports, where steroid/PED use and the effort to hide it...or spin doctoring/hiding it when caught is not exactly a rare occurence.
     
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    Grigor Dimitrov is really THE NEXT BIG THING!
     
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    Myth -
    That having your tour being composed of only 2 real "rivals" is good for the game.

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    Women pros do the same work as men just as well and deserve equal pay.

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    On court coaching would make the game better.

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    It is good for your tour when players that have been retired for over a year can come back and convincingly win slams.

    Myth -
    Safin and Kafelnikov play for any reason other than $$$.
     
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    Light is right (complements of bosworth tennis)

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    That pros can be pushers. Thats absolutely false. You can't get to that level and push.

    That this is a weak era.
     
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    Your No 2 is priceless.

    He has a winning record over Federer and that is all he can lay claim to.

    So what!
     
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    dimitrov will be another Kolshreiber... a nice 1HBH and that is all...
     
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