Nadal about to slam the door on Djoko

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  1. KillerServe

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    Sorry, but Nadal doesn't get credit for missing tournaments. Missing a tournament is tantamount to losing in the first round. Djokovic really does serve the #1 spot this year.
     
  2. LazyNinja19

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    Nadal didn't goof it up as much.
    But Djoker has been on a tear since USO loss. He hasn't even lost a freaking match! He seems to be on track to do what ATP described as an outside chance!
     
  3. Mustard

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    Judge for yourselves:

    Rafael Nadal
    Runner-up at Vina del Mar
    CHAMPION at Sao Paolo
    CHAMPION at Acapulco
    CHAMPION at Indian Wells

    Runner-up at Monte Carlo
    CHAMPION at Barcelona
    CHAMPION at Madrid
    CHAMPION at Rome
    CHAMPION at French Open

    R128 loss at Wimbledon
    CHAMPION at Montreal
    CHAMPION at Cincinnati
    CHAMPION at US Open

    Runner-up at Beijing
    Semi Final loss at Shanghai
    Semi Final loss at Paris Indoors
    World Tour Finals still to come

    Novak Djokovic
    CHAMPION at Australian Open
    CHAMPION at Dubai

    Semi Final loss at Indian Wells
    R16 loss at Miami
    CHAMPION at Monte Carlo
    R32 loss at Madrid
    Quarter Final loss at Rome
    Semi Final loss at French Open
    Runner-up at Wimbledon
    Semi Final loss at Montreal
    Quarter Final loss at Cincinnati
    Runner-up at US Open
    CHAMPION at Beijing
    CHAMPION at Shanghai

    In Final of Paris Indoors
    World Tour Finals and Davis Cup Final still to come

    Head-to-Head in 2013
    Nadal beat Djokovic in French Open semi final, Montreal semi final and US Open final
    Djokovic beat Nadal in Monte Carlo final and Beijing final
     
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  4. LazyNinja19

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    Man, I agree with you.
    But Rafa has 0 points from 2 Grand slams, and they are now costing him too much.
    Of course Djoker can't be blamed, because Rafa skipped one, & lost in 1st rd in other.
    But let's be positive for WTF. May Rafa cruise ahead there, and do what he needs to do!
     
  5. Chico

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    Lol at Nadal fans trying to determine rankings not based on ATP points, but their personal preference.

    Anyway the only reason Nadal is ahead of Djokvic at the moment is:

    i.e. points from mickey mouse tournaments no other top player played.

    While Djokovic is way ahead in points from slams (5210 > 4010).

    All this proves my signature right.
     
  6. Chico

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    All I say is based on simple math. Nothing else. No need to get upset.
     
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  8. Mustard

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    Mickey mouse? Remind me which player has won 2 majors and 5 masters series titles this year? :twisted:
     
  9. Chico

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    That does not change the fact that 900 > 550 and without mickey mouse points Nadal would still be #2.
     
  10. Tenez101

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    2 grand slams > 1 grand slam.

    It is clear who the best player of the year is. Who ends as YE no. 1 is a slightly different matter.
     
  11. viduka0101

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    come on, this is a thread about the year end no.1 not the atp rankings, in two days the rankings will equal the atp race
    and Nadal has played 1 tournament more than Djokovic as you've shown and missed a grand slam, the combined points from those 3 tournaments carry half of the points of a grand slam victory

    in the same way you say that Nadal is ahead of Djokovic because of Mickey Mouse tournaments I can say that it's because Djokovic didn't beat him at Roland Garos or US Open or even Montreal because every one of those matches ending with a different result means Djokovic is still no. 1

    why not say it;Djokovic is not no.1 because he lost at the US Open,Roland Garros and Montreal to the current world no.1
     
  12. powerangle

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    Well I guess Whiskey had it right all along, and is currently drinking the tears of Backspin. :)

    Nothing wrong with incorrect predictions, but Backspin was just SO SURE that Nadal had it in the bag and was bordering on arrogance. :)
     
  13. veroniquem

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    Not quite. It's true that Novak has more points in slams but Rafa has more points in masters. Masters are not exactly mickey mouse tournaments. + winning multiple slam titles trumps overall # of points.
     
  14. ledwix

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    I'm not sure why people are arguing who deserves #1. #1 is determined by an objective formula, so whoever has more points deserves it by virtue of everything balancing out in the end. Nadal has 2 slams, so he will probably get it, but Djokovic with his greater consistency is making it close.

    #1 is about consistency, so if there exists what you consider to be an anomaly, it should balance throughout history as far as total weeks are concerned.
     
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    Djokovic had greater consistency? Who knew? Rafa has played 16, made the finals of 13 of the first 14 tournaments he played and won 10 of them and reached the semis of the last two.

    Djokovic has played 15 tournaments, reached the finals of 8, and won 5 of those. He's reached the semis of 3, the quarters of 2, one R16 and one R32.

    Seems to me that it's Rafa who's been the model of consistency this year.
     
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    Legendary comment.

    A lot of truth in whisky.
     
  18. irishnadalfan1983

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    People seem to forget that Djoko has to win all his matches over the next 8/9 days. I can't that happening - not so much to do with Djoko and a lot more to do with scheduling. I can't see a guy winning Paris and rocking up to London with no break and winning there too.
     
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    Wow, insecure much:twisted:?
     
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    Dude, he had a 2-week break before Paris and he's only playing 2 tournaments in a row + 2 more matches in Davis Cup. I don't see how he's overscheduling.

    Now let's talk about Nadal playing 6 out of 8 weeks during the clay court season.
     
  21. vernonbc

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    This. There is so much talk about what Nadal has to do but really, the subject should be what Djokovic has to do. I'm with you that I don't think he's going to win out for the rest of the season.
     
  22. LazyNinja19

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    That was also the case for Novak since USO. But he has managed to win 17 matches since then, defending all his China points, and now winning Paris.
    He really is looking well on track atm.
     
  23. moonballs

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    Maybe Fed will bail Nadal out by beating Djokovic in wtf final.
     
  24. monfed

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    Nadal deserves YE#1 based on the fact that he's won 2 slams this year, can't argue with that. However,he's had his fair share of luck.
     
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    but he totally bombed out in other 2.
    whatever, who gets it gets it, i dont care that much about it.
    can see nole winning everything on his path till the end, but i cant see nadal losing 2 rr matches at wtf, so in the end he should secure his no1 either way.
     
  26. monfed

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    Well he didn't participate at AO so you can't hold that against him. Wimby was a shock exit but it wasn't as big a shock as it was in 2012.
    And he did something not even his biggest fans would've imagined: The fall treble(even Fed and Novak haven't done it), that makes him a deserving YE#1 in my book. Plus 2 slams>1 slam, realise that this guy came from a 7 month break and pretty much annihilated the field on outdoor HC.
    But you're right , no way Nadal goes 0-3 at the WTF in his group so the YE#1 is just a formality.
     
  27. ledwix

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    I meant in slams. Really, why else would Djokovic be close to the #1 ranking? He hasn't been as good, but he hasn't been as bad either in terms of results at the tournaments rewarding the most points. I.e. more consistency.

    Of course Nadal deserves all-time credit, up there with Djokovic 2011, for pulling off the 5 masters.
     
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  28. LazyNinja19

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    This is the first humane comment from you which I've read, towards Rafa.
    I must say I'm pleasantly surprised.
     
  29. irishnadalfan1983

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    I don't think Djoko is over scheduling - just crazy the way these tournaments are back to back and there is no break! Normally after a Sunday win you get a break until at least Wednesday - also the caliber of player would be far less than Federer on the Wednesday.

    I just think the break is too short and it might be asking a bit much of Djoko. If there was a week break I would strongly favour Djoko to win the YEC.
     
  30. Mustard

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    Here's the current situation:

    Rafael Nadal
    Runner-up at Vina del Mar
    CHAMPION at Sao Paolo
    CHAMPION at Acapulco
    CHAMPION at Indian Wells

    Runner-up at Monte Carlo
    CHAMPION at Barcelona
    CHAMPION at Madrid
    CHAMPION at Rome
    CHAMPION at French Open

    R128 loss at Wimbledon
    CHAMPION at Montreal
    CHAMPION at Cincinnati
    CHAMPION at US Open

    Runner-up at Beijing
    Semi Final loss at Shanghai
    Semi Final loss at Paris Indoors
    World Tour Finals still to come

    Novak Djokovic
    CHAMPION at Australian Open
    CHAMPION at Dubai

    Semi Final loss at Indian Wells
    R16 loss at Miami
    CHAMPION at Monte Carlo
    R32 loss at Madrid
    Quarter Final loss at Rome
    Semi Final loss at French Open
    Runner-up at Wimbledon
    Semi Final loss at Montreal
    Quarter Final loss at Cincinnati
    Runner-up at US Open
    CHAMPION at Beijing
    CHAMPION at Shanghai
    CHAMPION at Paris Indoors

    World Tour Finals and Davis Cup Final still to come

    Head-to-Head in 2013
    Nadal beat Djokovic in French Open semi final, Montreal semi final and US Open final
    Djokovic beat Nadal in Monte Carlo final and Beijing final
     
  31. Wim

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    If Djoker ends up being #1 this year, I think it says alot about the ranking system...
    I dont really care about who is #1, but winning tournaments, GS!!
     
  32. Agassifan

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    Rafa dominated the middle of the season (except wimbledon) and Nole dominated the beginning and end. If Nole wins WTF, it is 50/50, otherwise Rafa clearly deserves #1
     
  33. Nathaniel_Near

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    Hmm...

    2 Majors vs 1 Major

    5 Masters 1000 vs 3 Masters 1000

    0 YEC vs 1 YEC (hypothetical)

    10 titles vs 7 titles (hypothetical)


    Nah... To me Nadal is the number 1 player of this year even if Nole wins the WTFinals and DC.

    Who is.. the number 1 player in the world this year?


    I mean.. who WON?

    Who is the MAN?



    Who really believes it would be Djokovic should he just about snatch it (#1)?

    Hands up.
     
  34. Omega_7000

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    Yeah have to agree...Novak lost the tournaments where it mattered the most...FO & USO.
     
  35. Chico

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    Disagree. Djokovic is the best player this year and fully deserves #1 much more than Nadal if he wins WTC.

    Just two stats to prove you wrong.
    - Slam points: Djokovic 5120, Nadal 4010
    - Mickey Mouse points: Djokovic 0, Nadal 900
     
  36. xan

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    well i dont hold it against him, im just mentioning that for 2 g's he was none existant. take that as you will.
    if he finishes ye#1 its full deserved, if he doesnt, well, no one gifted djokovic anything.
    so its all semantics..

    whatever happens, it goes down to the wire. i like it : )

    edit: and just put that clown on ignore, i didnt have to read his bs comment but people had to requote it..
    also nadal doesnt have to go 0-3, if he goes 1-3 and doesnt qualify for semi, i think he can lose it. as things stand now i think he has to win at least 2 rr matches. considering his group, i srsly cant see him not winning all 3 if need be.
     
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    Forgot to mention Nadal was extremly lucky to win both FO and USO and didn't really deserve either one of them.
     
  38. LazyNinja19

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    Dude enough of your hate! You are such a bitter guy!
    Give credit where it's due.
     
  39. Agassifan

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    2 majors vs 1 major sounds better, except Rafa won 0 matches in the other two majors. 0.0
     
  40. Chico

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    No hate, I give credit where credit is due. For example Nadal won FO 2008 and 2010 fair and square, no complaints.

    However, FO 2013 not really.
     
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    This. As I said, total major points:
    Djokovic 5120
    Nadal 4010
     
  42. Nathaniel_Near

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    Djokovic the second man had his chances against Nadal the first man to be the actual best player of the year by beating him in the RG semis (5 sets) and the US Open final (didn't even go 5 and in Nole's wheelhouse of hard courts).

    Looks like Nadal will manage to blitz Nole despite missing about 1/4 of the season.
     
  43. xan

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    ^where's that avatar from?
     
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    It really shouldn't be that hard for her to post without 3rd degree butthurt more often.
     
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    How big is that cut? :lol: does it burn all day or just when you're reminded of Nadal? ;)
     
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    Actually nadal needs 2 Wtf wins to do it. (Don't forget the points that djokovic can pick up at the davis cup finals)
     
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    It was was one of the search results for 'Crystal Maiden', either on google or Tumblr -- can't quite remember.
     
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    Apparently, it's a 3rd degree burn :twisted:
     
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    So, how is it now?
    What does ******* have to do to secure number 1?
    What does Joker have to do to secure number 1?
     
  50. Chico

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    If Nadal wins two matches on WTF he is #1 regardless of what Novak does.
    If Nadal does not win two matches on WTF, than Djokovic needs to win WTF with max number of points (1500) and win both his matches in the DC final vs Czech Republic the week after.

    Pretty much lock for Nadal (thanks to his 900 mickey mouse points I must add), especially considering the cakewalk he got in WTF. Not sure why are Nadal fans so scared and insecure.
     

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