Nadal already out? Soderling already in?

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  1. hlkimfung

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    sorry not too updated with the news and stats

    Assuming Nadal beat Djoker and Soderling beat Davy, Nadal, Djoker and Davy will all be 1-2.
    Nadal still got the chance?

    Assuming Djoker beat Nadal and Davy beat Soderling, Djoker, Davy and Soderling will all be 2-1, Soderling gurantee to advance?



    maybe the set win/loss is already worked out that no matter Nadal beat Djoker 6-0,6-0, result will turn against his favor.

    anyone?
     
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  2. BreakPoint

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    Nadal is already out.

    Soderling is already in.
     
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  3. Cody

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    Yep Nadal is out and Soda Machine is in.
     
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  4. Cantankersore

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    Sets wise, even if both Djokovic and Davydenko get double bagelled, they'll be ahead of Nadal. If they both double bagel their opponents, I think they'll both still be behind Söderling.
     
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  5. Soderling has it in his own hands-who he wants to play in the SF-TRUST ME he will do everything to avoid Federer, imo he will have a 50/50 chance with DelPo, with Fed its more like 30/70.
     
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  6. hlkimfung

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    so what determine whether Djoker or Davy advance?
     
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  7. Cantankersore

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    Winning percentage, then percentage of sets won, then percentage of games won.

    Söderling has won 4 sets, lost none. He is 2-0.
    Davydenko has won 3 sets, lost 2. He is 1-1.
    Djokovic has won 2 sets, lost 3. He is 1-1.
    Nadal has not won a set, and has lost 4. He is 0-2.

    If Nadal wins he is 1-2 with 2-4 on sets. Both Davydenko and Söderling automatically beat the set and winning record.

    If Söderling loses, he is at worst 2-1 and 4-2 on sets.
    Djokovic is at best 2-1 with 4-3 on sets, so Söderling advances ahead of him.
     
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  8. BreakPoint

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    If both Djokovic and Davydenko lose in straight sets, Davydenko advances because he'll be 3-4 in sets, while Djokovic will be 2-5 in sets.

    If both Djokovic and Davydenko win in straight sets, Davydenko advances since he'll be 5-2 in sets, while Djokovic will be 4-3 in sets.

    Djokovic would have to win in straight sets while Davydenko would have to lose for Djokovic to be insured of getting to the semis.
     
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    Djokovic has lost 3 sets (he lost a set to Davydenko)
     
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    Thanks, I edited the original.
     
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    not that i want it to happen (i'm very happy that nadal is out, as you know) :) but... in case of withdrawal, he still can go in the SF !

    for instance: if davydenko withdraws and nadal beats djokovic...
    (let the bookmakers bet on that !!!) :rolleyes:
    - if sod beats the alternate (tsonga): tie between el joker and el nadal, both with 1 win, hence determined by H2H
    - if tsonga beats the sod: 3 players tied with 1 win, but tsonga would have only played one match, so the tie would be exclusively between the joker and the nadal, hence determined by H2H

    i know i know... that's SF.
    horror, even.
     
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  12. kOaMaster

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    according to the rules, we have some complicated standings here in this group too

    davydenko 3:2
    djokovic 2:3
    söderling 4:0
    nadal 0:4

    if davydenko wins in 2, davydenko will be first, söderling 2nd. no matter whater nole & rafa do. why?
    davydenko will be 5-2, söderling 4-2 and djokovic either 4-4 or 4-3, each with 2 wins.

    if davydenko wins in 3 and djokovic wins (doesn't matter here again), davydenko will be 5-3 but söderling 5-2, so söderling is first, davydenko 2nd (and djokovic again 3rd if he wins).

    -> djokovic needs söderling to win else he has no chance to reach the semis.

    it gets more interesting if söderling wins vs davydenko. if he does in straights:
    söderling 6-0, ahead of course.
    davydenko 3-4.
    now if djokovic wins, everything is set. if he loses, three players have one win. nadal defeats djokovic in two:
    djokovic 2-5
    nadal 2-4
    -> davydenko 2nd
    in three:
    djokovic 3-5 -> again davydenko 2nd
    nadal 2-5

    now here I don't see a possibility for nadal still to reach the semis. I was already pretty sure about this before but the atp was able to confuse even me!
    so the most likely scenario to happen will be davydenko 2nd, söderling 1st
     
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  13. Cantankersore

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    I think they took H2H out.
     
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  14. hlkimfung

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    what if Djoker win in straight and Davy win in 3

    soderling 5-2
    Davy 5-3
    Djoker 4-3
    Nadal 0-6


    Soderling still win the group depsite being lose to Davy?
     
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    Nadal avoiding Federer on indoor HC again :p
     
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  16. kOaMaster

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    yes, because we then have three players with two victories. it makes no sense looking at a h2h if more than two players the same amount of points. davydenko won vs söderling, but söderling vs djokovic and djokovic vs davydenko ;)

    so they compare w/l sets with söderling leading.
     
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  17. sureshs

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    Fed, DP, Soderling in.

    Nadal, Murray, Verdasco out.

    Djokovic/Davydenko will be the 4th man.
     
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