Nadal And (Rumored) Doping

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    He bulked majorly from 16-19yo, wouldnt surprise me if he was using something

    Must be someone who can translate on here?
     
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    Yeah sorry I just saw Journal du Dimanche, and thought it was French.
    Just did a search and it's mentioned in another forum too. Here is the actual article in French:

    DOPAGE Le tennisman et cinq joueurs du club madrilène seraient visés


    Les noms du tennisman Rafael Nadal (ATP 2) et de cinq footballeurs du Real Madrid seraient notamment également sur la liste transmise à l'Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) par les autorités judiciaires espagnoles

    Dans une brève parue dans le Journal du Dimanche, le président de l'UCI, Pat McQuaid affirme que les noms de nombreux joueurs de football et de tennis, de nageurs et d'athlètes figureraient sur la fameuse liste. Le journal dominical cite également des sources espagnoles.

    La Fédération internationale (FIFA) va demander aux autorités espagnoles enquêtant sur le réseau de dopage sanguin démantelé dans le cyclisme si des joueurs de football sont vraiment concernés par leur enquête, a-t-elle annoncé.

    «Le département légal de la FIFA va s'en occuper cette semaine», a déclaré Jiri Dvorak, le directeur de la commission médicale de la FIFA en remarquant toutefois qu'il «n'y avait aucune urgence»: «Si des joueurs de football étaient concernés, les enquêteurs espagnols auraient utilisé la plate-forme qu'est la Coupe du monde pour en informer la FIFA», a assuré Dvorak.

    Le patron de la commission médicale de la FIFA a répété que les 228 contrôles antidopage réalisés jusqu'ici dans le tournoi se sont avérés négatifs: «Durant le tournoi, pendant les stages et les matches de préparation, en moyenne 16 des 23 joueurs par sélection ont été testés», s'est-il félicité.
     
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  6. VamosRafa

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    I got the "rumor" part of the message, but I've asked the French and Spanish-speaking folks on our site to look at this and see what it means, if anything.

    All well and good to post things in other languages, but getting translations in advance wouldn't hurt. ;-)
     
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    Ok heres the translation of the French (used Google translator):

    "Names of the tennis player Rafael Nadal (ATP 2) and of five footballers of Real Madrid would be in particular also on the list transmitted to the Union Cyclist International (UCI) by the legal authorities Spanish In short appeared in the Newspaper of Sunday, it UCI, Pat McQuaid chairs affirms that the names of many players of football and tennis, swimmers and athletes would be reproduced on the famous list. The Sunday newspaper also quotes Spanish sources. The international Federation (FIFA) will require of Spanish authorities inquiring into the network of blood doping dismantled in cycling if players of football are really concerned with their investigation, At it announced. “The legal department of the FIFA will occupy itself some this week”, declared Jiri Dvorak, the director of medical commission of the FIFA by noticing however that there “was no urgency”: “If players of football were concerned, the Spanish investigators would have used the platform which is the World cup to inform the FIFA of it”, Dvorak ensured. The owner of the medical commission of the FIFA repeated that the 228 controls antidopage carried out up to now in the tournament proved to be negative: “During the tournament, during the training courses and the matches of preparation, in average 16 of the 23 players by selection were tested”, it was pleased."
     
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    So that means Rafa is under investigation by the ATP/ITF for doping, right?
     
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    Do you think Roger would get the Slam if Nadal was found guilty ?:confused:
     
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    All the article seems to say is that Nadal and other athletes will be tested for blood doping by Spanish investigators. Is that any big deal? He's been tested before. Being "named" doesn't mean (at this point) that he's DONE anything yet.
     
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    Thanks, Phil, for the translation info.
     
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    i sold some good barry bonds quality steroids to nadal. its untraceable. but if he did not follow my directions then ne might be in deep poop

    only time will tell
     
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    OK, yeah that doesn't sound bad. If he hasn't actually been tested positive then journal du dimanche shouldn't be using his name.
    However the cyclists that were on the same list have now been banned from the tour de france, right?
     
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    If there's some substance to these allegations, you have to think that even the British press will catch onto it and publish something in English. Especially during Wimbledon.
     
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  15. Ztalin

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    I wouldn't be surprised if Rafa was on gear; but I doubt that he is.
     
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  16. SCARLETRUBIES

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    he may be Spanish but I doubt he would be stupid enough to do that.
    Uncle Toni wouldn,t let him.
    Any way somebody please say whether its being said Nadal as tested and found positive for banned substances or whether they want to test him.
     
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    I doubt Nadal is on anything. Just looking at him move at the rate he does for 5 sets straight you'd think he'd have to be on something, but Uncle Toni knows better.

    But if he DID test positive, that would be the biggest shocker in tennis history.
     
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    I posted this is the other doping thread. It was posted on vamosrafael.com, as translated by nou.amic.

    Dopaje
    El CSD niega que haya futbolistas o tenistas implicados en la ´Operación Puerto´

    http://213.0.95.34/secciones/notici...ion=1005&pIdNoticia=159170&rand=1151933186359


    The translation:

    Doping

    The CSD denies that there are footballers or tennis players implicated in the 'Operación Puerto'

    The Spanish Consejo Superior de Deportes (CSD) has categorically denied that there are footballers or tennis players, Spanish or foreign, implicated in the 'Operación Puerto', an investigation into doping in Spanish sport carried out by the Guardia Civil at the end of last May, and request that there be "maximum respect" and "rigor" in all declarations made about the topic.

    AGENCIAS

    In the face of news published in some sectors of the media quoting alleged declarations by the Irish president of the International Cycling Union (UCI), Pat McQuaid, about there being footballers and tennis players implicated in the 'Operación Puerto', the CSD has denied that this is the case.

    In a like manner, the Consejo has stated, in a press release, that it has informed the FIFA authorities, in Berlin for the World Cup, about this matter.

    On the other hand, the CSD described as "absolutely lamentable" the news published by a French daily newspaper that, "without any basis whatsoever", speculated about a certain number of footballers being implicated and even cited the tennis player Rafael Nadal

    "This information has absolutely no foundation, as no footballer or tennis player is affected by the investigation that the Guardia Civil has carried out."

    According to the French newspaper 'Le Jornal du Dimanche', Rafael Nadal and five Real Madrid players were all implicated in 'Operación Puerto', although the paper did point out that none of these names had been officially made known.

    Their news was based on declarations made by the president of the UCI, Pat McQuaid, who had said that on the list together with cyclists, there were also tennis players and footballers.
     
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    If he did do doping....and caught
    does Federer get his French and all other matches he lost to nadal back?
    That would really suck...
     
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    i always have wondered about his since the barry thing got started. just think of the great tennis players we had including today's players, and only Nadal got a body of a College Linebacker.

    I dont know if he does/did anything, but it makes you wonder. Only other player who has muscles on him is Genepri.

    In baseball, we all wonder if many of the players who look bulked up were on the juice, so I could also say the same for tennis players. Nadal's physique makes him a BIG TARGET for this kinds of talk.
     
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    I doubt it, and I doubt that Federer would want the French under those circumstances.

    And I doubt that there is really anything to this story, at least as it relates to Nadal. Some people are just physically advanced, w/o artificial/illegal help.
     
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    From official press conference after his 4th round win against Labadze

    Q. There was coverage in a French newspaper yesterday according that your name is on a list of Dr. Francis who is suspected of doing blood doping for sportsmen.

    RAFAEL NADAL: I gonna speak in Spanish and he gonna translate.

    INTERPRETER: I don't want to speak about untrue statements, nonsense. I've never taken anything in my life, and I never will. I'm well enough educated in the sporting world and out of sporting world to not cheat. People who write lies about other people are bad people. There's nothing more to say about this. It's lies and it's just people who write lies are bad people. He's a coward. He should sign what he writes at the bottom. My manager is speaking to my lawyers
     
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    well, I don't think Nadal is using drug -- he's tested quite frequently. Besides, he doesn't look big enough for that.
     
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    If he is under investigation in particular, L'Equippe should be all over it by now.

    What is the criterion for this probe? Why are ALL cyclists and tennis players not included? In other words, how did this short list come into being? Somebody looked at Nadal's biceps and said we should investigate him? There must be some grounds of suspicion which is not clear from this article.

    Edit: I see it is linked to a doctor. Reminds me of that guy in the US who was supplying to everybody.
     
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  25. sureshs

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    Only his left biceps though. Everywhere else he is skinny.
     
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    You guys that think Nadal is on something might be right, but you're thinking about the wrong drug. Most cyclists are blood dopers, not 'roid ragers. If anything, I'd bet that's what certain tennis pros are on EPO rather than roids. EPO and other blood doping agents let your body deliver more oxygen to the muscles and recover faster. That's more useful to a tennis pro than huge 'roided up muscles. I'm not sure what the ATP policy is on EPO and blood doping, so I can't say how often the get tested or by who. But if anything were to come of this Spanish investigation, it's my bet Nadal or others like him will be caught for doping rather than steroids. None of the cyclists were acused of steroid use, it's all doping.
     
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    Can the ATP take their blood, or are their rights for players like in other leagues?
     
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    Not sure... but EPO use can be detected through urine samples. EPO is made from animal sources, which has a different signature in your urine than the EPO your body naturally produces. So that's the basis for the drug test, detecting those animal-based by-products. There is a new form of EPO that is in trials or testing that is derived from human sources, and so is undetectable by the current test. Kind of makes you go hmmmmm when you think about who might be able to get their hands on it.
     
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    told you guys Rafa was doping:rolleyes:
     
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    true, doping and popin' roids is totally different. whichever it might be: i just hope none of the top 50 ATP players are involved.
     
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    A common behavoir of a person who takes Heroin or even Ciggs, they would start to touch them selves all over their body without control.

    Now relating to Steriods and Doping, maybe Nadal picks his ass all the time because thats where he always sticks the needle? like the heroine effect or the ciggorette effect, he would keep doing it because its a habbit hes been doing forever.
    Like a Smoker always banging the pack of ciggorettes over because he craves them, Nadal would be picking his butt becuase thats where he always does his business, not in his arms or anywhere like that.
     
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    I saw this on the net.. i dunno is it has been posted yet.. so yah here..

    Today, the CSD (Consejo Superior de Deportes), the most important sports gubernamental organization of Spain has given a written declaration stating that: due to the recent appearances on some foreign press journals of accusations stating they were some footballers and tennis players involved in the 'Operation Puerto' we, the CSD, have to say: no tennis player, nor Real Madrid player, nor any football player is involved in this operation, wich only deals with cyclism.
     
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    You're joking, right? Do you have any idea what a college linebacker looks like? Rafa's body might be somewhat comparable to a receiver/punt returner, but that's about it. Even Terrell Owens is bigger/stronger looking than Rafa, and T.O. would get KILLED trying to play linebacker!
     
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    Isn't he just being tested because he is a top ranked Spanish athlete? I don't see other evidence or justification for testing other than this.
     
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    I could be wrong but I am pretty sure the ATP has 2 methods of testing. 1 is random the second is all tournament finalist get tested.

    If getting tested is because you get to the finals all the time that's your own fault. Don't do dope or if you do don't win and you won't have anything to worry about but your long term health implications.:D

    The ATP testing sounds fair to me. At one time I read the ATP testing rules. I am not about to do it again. Anyone know the ATP drug testing policy better? Please join in.
     
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  36. textbook strokes

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    Aparently the french media can't deal with the idea of Nadal winning the FO again and again in future years.
    I have read all the articles in spanish and french, and believe me, ... there is nothing in them rather than malicious specutalions.
    It is very unfair for him, being accused without any subtantial evidence.
    I guess being a winner makes you a target .
     
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    Nadal already denying it according to ESPN.
     
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    i can say living in london there is nothing in the papers about rafa and doping sorry to say.
     
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    From official press conference after his 4th round win against Labadze

    Q. There was coverage in a French newspaper yesterday according that your name is on a list of Dr. Francis who is suspected of doing blood doping for sportsmen.

    RAFAEL NADAL: I gonna speak in Spanish and he gonna translate.

    INTERPRETER: I don't want to speak about untrue statements, nonsense. I've never taken anything in my life, and I never will. I'm well enough educated in the sporting world and out of sporting world to not cheat. People who write lies about other people are bad people. There's nothing more to say about this. It's lies and it's just people who write lies are bad people. He's a coward. He should sign what he writes at the bottom. My manager is speaking to my lawyers


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    I'm glad they asked Rafa this question in the press conference. He has now had a chance to publicly deny this accusation. Rafa is right, in the simplest therms, they're BAD PEOPLE.

    Rafa is one of the good people, and as we know good people ofen have an uphill climb.

    Welcome to the real world Rafa

    VAMOS
     
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    here is a translation

    DOPING The tennis player and five players of the club madrilène would be aimed

    The names of the tennis player Rafael Nadal (ATP 2) and of five footballers of the Real Madrid would be notably equally on the transmitted list to the union Cyclist International (UCI) by Spanish judicial authorities

    In a brief one appeared in the Newspaper on sunday, the president of the uci, Pat McQuaid asserts that the names many soccer players and of tennis, of swimmers and of athletes would figure on the fine list. The sunday newspaper quotes equally Spanish sources.

    The international Federation (FIFA) will ask Spanish authorities investigating on the sanguine doping network dismantled in the cyclisme if soccer players really are concerned by investigates for them, did she announce.

    "The legal department of the FIFA goes itself some to occupy this week", declared Jiri Dvorak, the director of the medical commission of the FIFA while noticing nevertheless that it "there had not no urgency" : "If soccer players were concerned, the Spanish investigators would have used the platform that is the World Cup for some to inform the FIFA", assured Dvorak.

    The employer of the medical commission of the FIFA repeated that the 228 checks antidopage realized so far in tournament proved themselves negative: "During tournament, during trainings and the preparation matches, in average 16 of the 23 players by selection were tested", itself is it congratulated.
     
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    The "good people" don't cheat.

    We already know that Nadal is perfectly willing to cheat on time between points, and on in-match coaching. We also know that his ability to exert during matches and recover from them quickly and without physical letdown is way beyond anybody else's.

    I can understand the tendency towards denial by his fans (and certainly I can understand it from him), but his poor character and the physical circumstances make it a virtual lock that he's engaged in something unethical.

    Welcome to the real world, indeed.
     
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    poor character? you've got to be kidding.
     
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    COME ON, don't make someone guilty when all there is is hearsay. Do you know why he recovers that easily (you answered your own question already)? Nadal takes about half an hour between points, so that alone makes his 4 hour matches as grueling as other 3 hour matches. Quite an easy explanation, no?
     
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    No one should EVER call an athlete a drug cheat without STRONG EVIDENCE. This is not just some internet verbal hooliganism, but a very serious form of libel. As any lawyer on this forum will tell you, you are playing with dynamite by making such allegations. Don't think the owner of this web site couldn't be dragged into it as well for allowing such nonsense to stay posted. If this were my web site, anyone who posted such allegations would be GONE and their posts would be gone, and PRONTO.

    Don't do it.

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    Whoa calm down. The original post says that Nadal has been 'named'. There is nothing libelous in that, he HAS been NAMED by Journal du Dimanche. I didn't say Nadal IS a drug cheat, but the articles that are surfacing on the net are clearly of interest to his fans.
    You assume that this thread is anti-Nadal. Not at all. So far the posts are mainly anti-Journal du Dimanche, and what they have printed could be considered libelous, but that's their problem. Merely discussing articles on many peoples favourite tennis player is not a crime, it's what these boards are for.
     
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    You need to read the other posts more carefully.

    Also, libel is NOT a crime.

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    Dude, "..is not a crime" is just a phrase, people use it for many things that are obviously not a crime.

    Ok, I started reading other peoples posts but I got bored half way through, didn't see any 'allegations', although I assume somewhere in there some 10 year old has posted something that pissed you off. We see that ALL the time on these boards. Like the idiot who made a thread saying that the Wimbledon schedule organisers are attempting to cheat by putting Murray matches on late. Nadal will sue Journal du Dimanche if anybody, not us for just talking about it.

    The general thrust of this thread is pro-Nadal and most people are asking for hard evidence and don't even believe he would do such a thing.
     
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