Nadal at Wimbledon: where should he be seeded?

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  1. Dedans Penthouse

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    Wimbledon....grass....a 2005 2nd round loss to Gilles Muller *ranked 68th* at the time....Wimbledon "seeds" the way they *seed* fit; by a combination of ranking and recent "grass court form."

    That said, exactly where in your opinion should they seed Nadal? And for that matter, after Federer, who would be your top 5 seeds?
     
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  2. Count Grishnackh

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    Don't even seed Nadal at Wimby, so he can play Fed in the 1st round and knock him out early.
     
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  3. norcal

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    1. Fed
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  4. Buuurnz

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  5. Andres

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    IMO, he'll be seeded about #7 - #15.
    I remember Coria last year, who was ranked about #6, or so, and still he got seeded like 17 or 22.... really low!
     
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  6. Warriorroger

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    Nadal should be seeded 2. He deserves the chance after winning RG two times in a row. He is the number one player in the world, not only on paper.
     
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  7. Andres

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    But Wimby doesn't care too much about RG...
     
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  8. Warriorroger

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    Then they are a couple of old farts. I don't like nadal very much, but he deserves the number 2 seed.
     
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  9. exruda

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    And he will get it, he's got too much of an advanatge over the other players for them to be able to overtake him with their grass points.
     
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  10. HyperHorse

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    u mean Roger would knock him out, and thats just fine by me..
    actually, make Rafa go thru qualifying.... :p
     
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  11. tennis-n-sc

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    They should make him qualify. He'll never get past the second round. I still remember Roddick knocking him down with a serve he could not even get out of the way of. There are at 10 players that will eat him alive on grass.
     
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  12. matty p

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    nadal should (and will) be seeded 2. if other players are better than him on grass than they should be able to beat him no matter where hes seeded. roddick has enough points from last years grass tournaments to sneak ahead of nalbandian and ljubicic but nadal is still way ahead.
    1. Federer
    2. Nadal
    3. Roddick
    4. Nalbandian
    5. Ljubicic
     
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  13. The Pusher Terminator

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    I agree Nadal has no chance at Wimbledon. But the US open...now thats a completely different story.

    Besides ...in reality no one really plays on grass. Wimbledon is an outdated surface.
     
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  14. Warriorroger

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    People who say Nadal hasn't got a chance make me want to root for him, even though I am Federer fan. Everyone who enters has a chance. Number 2 seed chances are even higher.
     
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  15. The Pusher Terminator

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    Oh thats a different story. I will always root for Nadal....but he really has no chance.
     
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  16. Moose Malloy

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    Wimbledon uses a formula that takes ranking & grasscourt results of last 2 years into account. You can figure out the seedings yourself next Monday after latest rankings come out. There is no debate, Nadal will be seeded #2 due to his overwhelming lead over #3(Nalbandian's grasscourt results aren't good enough to make up that huge difference in points)

    There is a learning curve on grass for all players. Almost everybody struggles on it their 1st few years. This is only Nadal's 3rd Wimbledon. He's already won more matches there than Federer or Sampras did in their 1st 2 appearances:

    Federer: '99 1st round, '00 1st round
    Sampras: '89 1st Round, '90 1st round
    Nadal '03 3rd round(youngest player since Becker in '85 to make 3rd round) '05 2nd round
     
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  17. The Pusher Terminator

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    Really? Great analysis. I never knew that!
     
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  18. TacoBellBorderBowl1946

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    even if he gets no 2 who cares? he'll be out by the 4th round
     
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  19. norcal

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    Your screen name makes me hungry.
     
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  20. TacoBellBorderBowl1946

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    thanks Norcal, why dont you stop by TacoBell today and enjoy a zesty chicken border bowl? THINK OUTSIDE THE BUN
     
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  21. Brettolius

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    That's funny.
     
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  22. dh003i

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    Well, that's quite interesting, but irrelevant, since Nadal's mental game is better at this point than Fed or Sampras' was when they first played Wimbledon. For Nadal to win Wimbledon, he'd have to completely change his style. Reality is, it's very unlikely Nadal will ever win Wimbledon.

    Certainly, he will never be an all-time great there, like Sampras or Federer.
     
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  23. Feña14

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  24. Moose Malloy

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    I think it was more than an underdeveloped mental game. Sampras won the 1990 US Open, yet lost early at Wimbledon the following year. Rafter had average results there as well early in his career. The same with Roddick, he did well at the US Open his 1st 2 appearances, yet lost early at Wimbledon. Krajicek lost 1st round 2 straight years before winning it. Grass is a tough surface for almost everyone intitially.

    I'm not predicting Nadal will win it, but he can do well there eventually. He seems very determined, I was shocked that he was able to win Madrid on a fast indoor surface vs the best indoor player last fall, Ljubicic. Nadal seems very determined to always improve. He's not a typical claycourter from a few years ago, the type that would either skip Wimbledon or criticize it after losing early (saying it was irrelevant, unimportant to most players) guys like Muster, Bruguera, Rios, Costa, Moya, Ferrero etc.
    Most of those guys would never even enter grasscourt warmups, before a lame effort at Wimbledon(if they played it). That Nadal is in Queens this week says a lot about him being serious about improving his grasscourt game.
     
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  25. fastdunn

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    Exactly, Moose Malloy. The fact that all surfaces got slower these days
    also helps.
     
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    One of the disadvantages of having such a strong game at such a young age is that it becomes much easier to burn out. I'm sure there have been others like Nadal who have burned brightly for a while then disappeared. Hopefully it won't happen to Nadal, but you can't say that because he is stronger mentally than Sampras or Federer were at his age that he will improve as much as they did. It doesn't work that way. He might already be in his prime.
     
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    If you think that is a foreshadowing of anything I suspect you will end up quite mistaken. :cool:
     
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    I agree with those who say Nadal deserves the No. 2 seed. Roddick has certainly had more success on grass over the years, but he's had far too awful a season so far to warrant being seeded much higher than his ranking. Even though most of Nadal's points come from clay-court events, the gap between him and Federer and then the rest of the field is so large right now that the No. 2 seed seems fully justified. In fact, my top five seeds for Wimbledon would exactly mirror the top five players in the ATP rankings -- Federer on top (of course), followed by Nadal, Nalbandian, Ljubicic, and Roddick.
     
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  29. fastdunn

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    Yep. And who would know what would have happened to Federer
    if Wimbledon did not change the type of grass in 2001 ?


     
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  30. federerhoogenbandfan

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    Federer was mentaly fragile between 00-02, his results on grass as a younger player would be more reflective of his mental state at the time, then his abilities on the surface. With a strong mental outlook he would have probably been in the 2nd week every year, and have a good shot at winning in 2002(that was his 4th year at 20, going on 21; this year would have been Nadal's 4th at 21, had he not been injured in 04). Nadal already has a very strong mindset.
     
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  31. HollerOne5

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    I think its feasible to consider Nadal making the 4th round or QF, but it just depends on the draw. But to seed people based on how well you think they will do in the tournament is silly. If that was the case, you could make a case for seeding Agassi in the top 10 possibly, even though he is ranked outside the top 20 - its not gonna happen.

    Also, although Nadal's game doesn't supposedly match up well on grass, he could win plenty of matches based on his mental edge over certain players. There are players that on paper might have a better grass court game than Nadal, but based on head-to-heads and past experiences, Nadal could grind it through.

    Plus, too many people ripped on Nadal for only being able to play on clay, but yet he won Montreal and Madrid last year, and Dubai this year over Federer. Obviously, he is multi-surface talented, and although grass is night and day compared to clay, any GOOD tennis player can make necessary adjustments to win some rounds.
     
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  32. RiosTheGenius

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    they should seed Tim Henman #1 and ban all the players with a rank of 50 or better so Timmy can finally win the beaten thing
     
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    I'm sure they're going to rig the draw so Tursinov is in Federer's part of the draw, as far away from Henman as possible.
     
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  34. sandiegotennisboy

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    henman gets mad cow disease just looking at the wimbledon grass. they dont need to rig the draw.
     
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  35. The Dark Knight

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    How the times have changed.

    Back then Nadal wasn't even given a chance by most at wimby . Makes you think how many times TW posters have been wrong . Lets go over some of their forsights:

    1- Nadal has no chance at Wimbledon .

    2- yeah Nadal made the finals of wimby 2006 proves how weak the field is. He will never get to a final again .

    3- Nadal almost beats Federer in 2007.....nice try not the clay court specialist can only win on clay

    4- Nadal wins Wimbledon ......but hell never win a hardcourt

    5- Nadal wins the AO but he will never win the USO as it's faster

    6- Nadal wins the USO.....yeah but he will never win a HC again.

    7- Nadal physical game means he won't last past 23 years old.....Nadal is now 27

    8-Nadal wins the USO again......yeah ok but Nadal will never win another slam outside of clay again .
     
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