Nadal criticizes the Sao Paolo tournament

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  1. Talker

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    World No. 5 Rafael Nadal has come out on Wednesday with some scathing remarks towards the organisers of the Brasil Open, a tournament which is a part of the ATP World Tour 250 Series.

    "It is unacceptable that a tournament is held in these conditions. The bounce of the ball is too irregular, the lines are falling off and the balls are far too soft. You can not have any long rallies here."

    Nadal followed that up with a critique of the ATP.

    "This situation is a consequence of the ATP's lack of worry for the players. These courts are bad for the health of the players and I hope someone will take action against this. The audience wants to see long matches and on these kinds of courts that is impossible without injuries, no?"

    When asked about the state of his knee, Nadal was cautiously optimistic.

    "My knee feels a bit better today. Of course, it still changes from day to day, some day it's better, some day it's worse. All I can do is see how things go and I hope the injury will not cause me to lose matches I could win."

    He assured the Brazilian journalists that his qualms were with the São Paulo tournament only.

    "I love playing in Brazil and I am already looking forward to the Olympics in Rio. I just think that this tournament has had some problems with the organisation, but my team and I are going to talk to the organisers and see if it can be fixed."
     
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  2. jaggy

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    What color is the court?
     
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    Yellow Courts, like the flag.
     
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  4. mariecon

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    so now clay courts are bad for the players? LOL. What's left? He's criticized hard courts, now clay. What a primadonna.
     
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  5. Fiji

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    Already coming up with excuses to justify his eventual loss in Brazil.

    I wonder what excuse he will come up with to justify his loss in Mexico?
     
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    Next he's going to say that the balls cause him tennis elbow.
     
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    Ridiculous, there is nothing on earth left that he doesn;t complain about.
     
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  8. psYcon

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    First it was Madrid's blue clay, and now this.
     
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    I hope this is a joke.
     
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  10. mattennis

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    What? Is he complaining about a clay-court and/or balls being too fast so that the points are not long enough (for him)?

    This must be a joke, right?

    Seriously, Nadal should have been born 20 years earlier. Should have had the experience of facing a Krajicek, Ivanisevic, Rosset, Stich, Becker, Arthurs, Forget, Wheaton,....on a very slick and fast grass or many ultra-fast low-bouncing indoor carpets from the 80s and beginning of the 90s.

    Players like Muster, Bruguera or even Berasategui (who was awful on very fast and low-bouncing surfaces) had to play on those conditions several times a year, and they tried their best (even Muster and Bruguera had some success sometimes on very fast conditions).

    What does Nadal want? He is playing in a very special era. An era where there isn't fast court/balls conditions anymore.

    And still he complains about some clay court/ball being too fast?

    For Goodness sake....
     
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    Nadal's criticisms are justified...


    From Dustin Brown:
    Erry1 Knows The Courts Here @brasilopen2013 R ****... I Twist My Ankle During Play & Say "Its A **** Court" & Get A Point Penalty...

    Retweeted Dustin Brown Fans (@dustinbrownfans):

    Must feel for Ramriez twisting his ankle due to the ****ty courts in Sao Paolo. Feels like Dustin was right about what he said in the match

    So it seems there is a problem with the clay.
     
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  12. vive le beau jeu !

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    seriously ?!
    seems our TTW jokes were not enough... the grumpy golden bull had to push the limits of pathetic whining even further !!! :rolleyes:
    it's already decided:
    he doesn't like the color of mexican beans.
    (their colour is a consequence of the ATP's lack of worry for the tacos)
     
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  13. ViscaB

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    Nadal also fell in the doubles match.

    I don't think the organizers are too bothered about what Rafa says. All his matches are sold out.
     
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    Txt'd my bud.........

    I texted my bud who is stringing at the event and he stated that the courts in SP have a harder under surface and a thinner top coat (similar to Madrid). Ball will bounce a little faster so they are using slightly softer balls to compensate. This may throw some players off in timing and footwork, but it's not dangerous.

    Cheers, TennezSport :cool:
     
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    He should leave these smaller tournaments to the journeymen. That's why they exist. Without them, the lower ranked players would never win a tournament. It's really not right. I think he's getting what he deserves.:twisted:
     
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    Tennis is about adapting. Not every tournament is ever going to play identical as the day before, let alone the year before.
    Players need to understand this.
     
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  17. Clarky21

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    Nadal is not the only one to complain about the courts in Brasil. Many players have complained about the courts and the lousy tennis balls they are using there. No surprise he gets flack from the usual suspects around here for every single thing he does, even if what he's saying is justified.
     
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    Anyone got a link to the story?
     
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    There's a difference between a court not suiting a certain players style, and a court that is unsafe.
     
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    you ever hear of the boy who cried wolf? :shock:
     
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    Sure, same as I have heard from a zillion trolls on this forum who criticize Nadal for daring to take a breath. I think I will take his word, and the other player's word for it that the courts suck in Brasil over a bunch of faceless, Nadal hating trolls on a tennis forum.
     
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    Did anyone notice what Djokovic said about the clay court in Belgium at the Daviscup 2 weeks ago...

    i saw a video and it was so bad that Serbia almost refused to play :)
     
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    This is true. I didn't see a bunch of trolls jumping on him for making a huge stink over that. Gee, I wonder why that is?
     
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    Djoker is not popular enough for anyone to care? :)
     
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    Nadal is right in this case. If the courts are bad they are bad.
     
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    Did Nadal complain about the AO courts? I saw a Chinese girl fall TWO WHOLE TIMES. And she even banged her head on the court when she fell.

    They really should move AO to soft mushy clay before people die.
     
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    Maybe that's a part of it, but we all know the reason most of the trolls/members of this forum jump on Nadal the most.
     
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    It's getting ugly,

    At this point some of his fans may be wishing he hadnt come back.
     
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    Have a short memory? http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=453275




    +1 I can't find the original article.
     
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    I watching the live stream Nalbadian-Aguilar match now. I believe it is indoors. The court seems very fast for clay but it looks in fine shape on TV anyways. They brushed it after the first set. nalbandian winning 7-5...
     
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    That's all you could come up with? Please take a look at the main page to see how many Nadal threads there are bashing him right now. There is no comparison.
     
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  32. Geology_Rocks!

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    Interesting... The media here says the courts are in great condition and they looked fine to me.

    Yeah, it is indoor and indeed it is a faster court.
     
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    Yep, because we know the media are the ones actually playing on the courts. The players, who are actually running around playing on that surface, just don't know what they're talking about.
     
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    The court is not blue?
     
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    Ever played tennis, clarky?
     
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    I think they took the Madrid clay, re-colored it, and moved it to Sao Paulo. Good joke on Rafa!
     
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    Sure have. What's your point?
     
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    Someone needs to tell this guy to retire already. All he does is whine and complain. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!
     
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  39. DragonBlaze

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    This is what the courts are like there. The lines are LITERALLY coming off. While I don't always agree with Rafa, he's not exaggerating here and is 100% correct. The courts are that bad.

    Furthermore he was not even the first to complain. Most other players had said the same thing before Rafa said anything. Unfortunately, as someone said, "the boy who cried wolf" effect may be starting to come into play regarding Rafa's comments as evident in this thread.
     
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  40. tudwell

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    If the clay is uneven and unsafe, then he has a point, but he's not doing himself any favors by saying that the court doesn't facilitate long rallies and that people want to see long rallies. That just looks like blatant self-serving bias since Nadal himself prefers slower courts and longer rallies.
     
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  41. Geology_Rocks!

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    Once a few years ago?

    Seriously, if the courts were that horrible the media would be bashing it (they would love it). Fact is the court is playing fast and Ralph doesn't like it.
     
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  42. DragonBlaze

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    That is true. Having said that it would be useful to have the transcript of the whole interview, since it feels very much like some journalist has cut and paste things out of context in that article.

    Regardless, Nadal is correct in that the courts are truly in atrocious condition. A bit disappointing considering the level of the tournament!

    No, other players have also been complaining. Again look at this picture

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  43. Crisstti

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    Calm down haters. I guess you're as uninformed as usual, but there has been a lot of talk about the state of the courts and balls.
     
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  44. Geology_Rocks!

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    Didn't know about the line issue, that is a big fail for the tournament. I still think the clay looks fine.
     
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    Wrong. And what difference does it make if a person doesn't play tennis? You're just pulling out the old ad hominem attack to support your position.

    And sorry, the courts suck in Brasil. I know you want to bash Nadal for everything he does, but this time, you have nothng to bash him about.
     
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    Exactly. There were reports that the courts were in poor condition before Nadal even got there. There are also players complaining about the balls there as well.
     
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  47. Geology_Rocks!

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    I bet courts will be even worse if he loses early.
     
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    ok that is bad. That's what you get for playing a 250!:twisted:
     
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    Maybe his complaining has something to do with the silent ban. You cannot have a thread without Rafa and now you cannot have a Rafa thread without a silent ban.
     
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    Yea, I think it's poor that for money the organizers whipe these guys out, tourney after tourney, burned out by 17 with life long injuries.

    I wish they'd speed up the courts just a bit so we can see a blend of quicker serve and volley combined with baseline play, I think everyone would be happy with that, but money will always override any other concerns
     
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