nadal deserves to get abused by roddick

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  1. tylerchadwick

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    I'm not the biggest roddick fan, but I sure loved the way put nadal into his place. I love nadal's game and believe he'll be a top 5 player real soon, but those superficial and playboyish fist pumps were completely for show. You could see roddick annoyed and sort of laughing in his face. Just my opinion though.
     
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  2. ian mercier

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    Tyler,

    Forgive me, but I don't know what match you were watching. Nadal did the fist pumps when he won (hard fought) points. He was having to really fight out there. I'll tell you something else though. I have completely lost any and all respect for Andy Roddick - on court. This has nothing to do with his game or ability, but his attitude, antics, profanity, etc. make him look like a complete a**hole. He was glaring at Nadal, yelling "ha!" when hitting volley (put-aways), cursing at Nadal's game (several close-ups were very obvious). He is an idiot, plain and simple. It was so blatantly obvious that my non-tennis wife exclaimed "I understand why Mandy Moore dumped him." I was just disgusted.

    Keep in mind, my opinion is based solely on Roddick's on-court behavior. I will not make any judgements about his personality, etc. off court. I suspect that there was some truth in Lubi's comments last year about Roddick's lack of sportsmanship.
     
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  3. Xuan121

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    I have to agree with ian mercier too.

    Roddick was this nice kid that everyone liked. Since his big result, he has been acting arogant and the Im better then you on the court. Yes he is better then like 98 percent of the tour players but you dont see Roger Federer act like that. I too am losing my respect for for Roddick.
     
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  4. Cynnik

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    I think most people on this board, if not everybody, agrees w/ what you said Ian. People dislike roddick not because of his ability or his game, but his on-court antics. The way he presents himself on the court is such a disgrace to the game. He disrespects his opponents like they're all below him or something. He stares at his opponents like he wants to put up his fists and throw down. I do respect his game although it may not be pretty, as I would love to hit serves and forehands like him, but his on court attitude is just annoying to watch. You could accuse Massu of being the same way in that his attitude is just like roddicks but there is a major difference. He gets emotional when the match is at stake just like any human would but at least he respects his opponents on the court and doesnt act like he wants to hop over the net and tackle his opponents. As for roddicks off-court attitude, it does seem like he is a nice and genuine guy and respectful of his opponents as he speaks about his opponents talents and ability in the post match interviews, but his on-court antics make him seem like the biggest *** ever.

    I hope he really gets put in his place by Federer.
     
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  5. chriscash

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    I think all you guys are acting like girls. You can't fault Roddick for being intense and not having any love for his opponent during the match. You can't say Roddick doesn't respect his opponents becasue he is trash talking or acts like he wants to fight them, (which I doubt). Why is trash talking so bad. It is just like every other sport, players are always trash talking and even sometimes they get in fights but they show eachother respects at the end of the game. Unless Roddick walks directly off the court and doesn't shake hands then you can't say he doesn't have respect.
     
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  6. ezdude1970

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    I agree with tylerchadwick it was humorous to see nadal was trying to dodge bullets, on one roddick's serve he just dodged for his life. Come on Nadal, Ben Steeler is calling Good stuff!
     
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  7. Aoya

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    The court is your battlefield, show them no mercy, for they will show you none. Or that's how it should be.
     
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  8. Mark55

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    Nobody is making you watch Roddick, so dont watch him if all you are going to do is criticize him. There is no reason to care so much about the way players act on the court. The diversity of player's attitudes adds more to the game, and watch tennis for the tennis not to make it miserable by taking away the good match.
     
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  9. K!ck5w3rvE

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    Hey Cynnik,

    "I hope he really gets put in his place by Federer."

    Even if Fed just beats him, its still going to be about 9-1 head to head.
     
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  10. thehustler

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    It's pure business on court. Whenever I play I chat with my opponent before and after the match, no matter what the results are. I'm always friendly at both times. But on the court I'm all about winning. Nothing else. I am not the biggest, strongest, most physically imposing guy, but I will do what I can to make you fear me. Fear is a crappy thing to play with and if you're playing scared you're going to make it a whole lot easier for me. I've never asked my opponents to not glare at me or not be intense or fist pump or anything like that. It's their thing and the only way I'm going to shut them up is by playing better tennis and winning the match. If you don't like what your opponent is doing then shut them up. Crack a serve at their body or just absolutely punish them in one way or another. Complaining does nothing. Actions do. Have a nice day.
     
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  11. Type40

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    Even though Nadal lost, he was the more interesting and better player, Roddick's game is boring, and so is he.
     
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  12. The Franchise

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    Ohhhhh man, I just love Roddick's intensity. As someone else put it, this ain't tea time people, it's a battle field out there. But hey, that's what's so great about sports, different people act differently and shall have their supporters and non-supporters. All I have to say is this about Roddick...love him or hate him, you will talk about him...and that, my friends, is power.

    PS: Andy dumped Mandy, not the other way around.
     
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    Me too. And I am a girl.
     
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  14. Type40

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    I think tennis is more than a sport, it's also an art form, and the most interesting players to watch are the artists not the labourers.
     
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    As I'd said before. I like A.Dick because he is an inspiration to high school virgins like me. Other than that he is totally pathetic.
     
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  16. Flushing_Ace

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    I may have no absolute right saying it, but this is ridiculous. And pathetic.
     
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  17. khs_tennis

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    Everybody can make an arguement about Roddick's attitude, but you cant make an arguement about his game. His game speaks for itself. Honestly, i think Roddick's attitude is good for the game. So many young kids and teenagers think tennis is some preppy "girl" that requires a lot of money and a snobby attitude. I would know that cuz i go to a high school in podunk Indiana and play #1 dubs for my team. I guarantee that if i showed a Roddick vs. whoever match, teenagers and young kids alike would be more attracted to tennis because of Roddick's intensity, his power game, and his shocking behavior on the court. He shows emotion which is a great thing for attracting new people to tennis. Tennis players need to quit being emotionally shallow on the court. This would definitely bring more young perhaps non-playing tennis fans to the game and make them appreciate it even more.
     
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  18. Bhagi Katbamna

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    All Roddick had to do when Nadal was doing those fist pumps at 0-6, and early in the second set was to say:
    "Just look at the score Slick."
     
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  19. tylerchadwick

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    I think we really got off subject here. I want to know if anyone thought that nadal was trying to put a cute little show with his skipping fist pumps. The pumps were totally out of purpose instead of natural reaction. when federer yells or pumps his fist you can really tell it's out of shear emotion. nadal's looked like he was trying to get on the cover of a sports magazine or something. I like nadal a lot, I think he's got a beautiful game.
     
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  20. ChiefAce

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    Those that criticize Roddick's on court antics are the same people responsible for the stagnation of the game. The same ones who belong to the country clubs and don't have an actual clue about the game. Tennis needs stuff like this for excitement and to attract people who normally wouldn't give tennis the time of day. Roddick is a great tool for growing the game and I personally find him very entertaining. The reaction of those on the boards and those who just like to watch tennis are completely different.


    Most people unlike those who post here love to watch Roddick and think he's great for the game. I'm certainly one of them, and theres nothing wrong with having a little hitch in your step when you are #2 in the world. Show me a top player with no confidence in body language and presentation and I'll show you someone who won't be a top player for long.
     
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  21. Aoya

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    Susan must be cringing right about now.
     
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  22. Datacipher

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    ROFL, well in a few years Nadal will be too old for her anyways and she'll move on to the latest teen sensation.
     
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  23. mlee2

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    ChiefAce hit it spot on.

    This TW board really baffles me sometimes as they go against this norm: Roddick is a well-liked player by the public.

    Generally most tennis watchers and players find this guy's game, attitude, and personality refreshing for the most part. Go to other boards besides this one to see what I mean. Of course, he's done some things that's made him look like an ******* but it ain't like he spit in anybody's face for chrissakes (reference to NBA).

    To jump on Roddick for something EXTREMELY trivial such as his intensity and how it 'ruins tennis' shows the condescending attitude of most tennis players here.

    There are far worse things and outlandish behavior done by other tennis players and definitely other sports figures.

    If you people are seriously offended by this relatively mild behavior and not just trolling, you need to grow some backbone and realize tennis is still regarded as a pus-sy sport because of people like you.
     
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  24. rafael

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    Wha? Most of the tennis players (college) that I come in contact with can't stand the guy for the same reasons why the haters on this board don't like him.

    re:nadal match, andy was just plain childish. He obviously couldn't stand the idea of a young guy getting more attention than he does. It is possible to have a big game and not be an *******.
     
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  25. larrhall

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    Roddick acts like a jerk frequently to his opponents and to the umpire. He does the ultimate 'girly' top-tennis player maneuver - he tries to intimidate the umpire so the ump will tilt in Andy's direction in key moments. Andy whining to the ump about how the ump has just done him a great injustice by not overruling a call - well it's more pure derision the way a drill sergeant might talk to a new recruit - is not manly. He doesn't have to like Nadal's antics - I didn't care for them either (Nadal should focus more on his serve than on his biceps). But shouting 'ha' at the guy when he hits a good volley is about as macho as a pair of kids (or adults) shouting 'so there' at each other over and over again.
     
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  26. khs_tennis

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    I dont know about you guys but if i'm up two sets and a break in the third and you got your opponent fist pumping and stuff, i'd be p*ssed too. Andy just put the kid in place, that's all. Nadal still has a lot to learn out there. And i'm sorry that some people think pro tennis players cant show emotion. The reason why the show emotion is that they care so much. Like Roddick. Roddick cares so much, thats why he shows his anger and other emotions.
     
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  27. yee

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    What do you expect from Nadal? He was almost hit twice by Andy serves in the match. One thing about Roddick is the way he plays and acts on court give his opponents the impression that it's "personal", I guess that's why some of them do not like him. Just see the handshake after that match, obviously Nadal was pissed too. Though I really don't see much problem of what Roddick did in this match except the usual whining to the umpire. They are just 2 very competitive young guys who don't want to lose out there.
     
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  28. Lindsay16

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    ChiefAce said it all. I think Roddick is great for the game as well as many other tennis fans out there. I love when players show emotion because it shows that they really care about what they are doing. I myself got into tennis because I went to see Andy here in Cincy and I just fell in love with the game and Andy Roddick is my biggest inspiration to do well when I play.
     
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  29. yee

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    Just because some players are more reserved and don't act up on court don't necessarily equate no heart or no determination to win.

    It has to do with where they come from, their upbringing or personalities as well.
     
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  30. Matt H.

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    it's called intimadation.

    Roddick respects Nadal, as he has commented on him before, and gave him praise for his forehand, etc. They've never played before, it's a Grand Slam night match on Ashe stadium, and Roddick knows that Nadal is capable of taking out a top player, as he beat Fed in Miami. Roddick was doing what any other SMART and competitive player would do....establish the early dominance.


    You guys are exaggerating all of Roddick's stuff, mostly because you hate Roddick to begin with. [/b]
     
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  31. backhander

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    I agree that Roddick is a huge jerk on court. His game is awesome and he deserves to be the 2nd ranked player in the world, but that doesn't mean we have to like him right. The only thing is, despite the fact that his on court antics suck (and make him look like as a@@) it's pretty obvious that he is great for the game of tennis. I just hate it when people overlook his attitude, I mean how can you watch him act the way he does sometimes and just ignore it and pretty much say that it's ok.

    But the thing is Roddick lovers will always disagree with Roddick haters and vice versa. It's just the way things will be, we are each blinded by our perceptions. Root for him or against him, if he wins or if he loses, it's nice to watch a match with him and have that option right?

    by the way, I think if Roddick plays either Federer or Agassi at the USOpen, he will lose. Otherwise, he has an easier draw in my opinion and is on course to defend his title.
     
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  32. PugArePeopleToo

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    That is not logical. But then again, I never thought this Roddick hating thing is logical.

    Is Jimmy Connors, the ultimate laborer, not interesting?
     
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  33. callitout

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    Roddick is not that interesting, but then again neither are Americans. Who doesnt prefer Spanish women and Tapas to PB&J and fat women in Mall of America.
    But Roddick is very good at tennis. So go Roddick!!
     
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    :? Roddick is an American.
     
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    Way to Go Mandy!!! A**hole does not deserve a good girl like you.
     
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    Damn--we get somebody that has a little personality and makes Tennis exciting to watch---and he gets bashed----Shame on you guys------This kind of stuff is what Tennis needs....you watch all the promos that the networks do for tennis promotion and it seems like all the players are aggressive intense fist pumpers-----even when they show Sampras--they show him pumping his fist---(like he was that way in his matches--yeah right!)--the networks are longing for stuff like this---they try to invent it-----If all the players were just banging the ball back and forth with no intensity and no human emotions to speak of----Tennis on television would drop even further off the map-----Man--I long for the days of Connors and Mac!
     
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  37. obackvalobasha

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    Americans are not interesting? ahahaghahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhaha. shove it
     
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  38. ian mercier

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    It's really easy to identify those posts from the folks that are completely biased one way or the other (the pro and anti-Roddick crowds). It's also easy to appreciate the comments from folks who are expressing their (either heartfelt or reasonable) opinions. I don't appreciate anyone who takes a personal shot at me or any other poster by saying things like we're "destroying the sport," or that were the "country club" type. At any rate, this isn't really the "forum" to discuss this.

    Here's my point...I've been a little baffled by Roddick. The guy has huge game, huge heart, and a personality that's great for the game. I certainly appreciate his fighting spirit, his aggressiveness, etc. I know tennis is a one-on-one sport and it's a battle. But there's a line that exists that shouldn't be crossed. This is what sportsmanship is about. If you have to create strife or animosity between yourself and your opponent to win, I think something's wrong. That's my feeling. And when I see Roddick doing the things he does (on occasion), it stirs up negative feelings...as in something not being right. Those feelings have nothing to do with bias, etc. I just know that the game shouldn't be played that way.

    I hope this makes sense.
     
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  39. alienhamster

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    iam m--

    I think what you're saying makes perfect sense, but I really do get the sense that people are overstating Roddick's behavior in this thread. What frustrates me is that people are pretending like Roddick is always in his opponent's face in every situation, completely ignoring the fact that Nadal was being extremely in-your-face and goading him on. Maybe Roddick shouldn't react to an opponent who's glaring at him and the crowd and pumping his fists with anything but a quiet peacefulness, but that's a different argument (one which many people are trying to counter in this thread.)

    I love watching the guy; I really do. But I agree that I don't always like the way he berates the ump and makes alpha-male, tightly closed lip faces after he breaks someone's serve. But it's weird, b/c otherwise I really like his intensity. I guess I agree with you--that some line is being crossed--but I don't think it's clear what that line actually is. (Well, I guess we could all agree that he shouldn't be allowed to throw a knife at his opponent's face during a rally.)
     
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    Before I saw the ESPN biography of Roddick, I posted that his parents let him think it was "natural" to copy other athletes' obnoxious behaviour.

    Then, I saw the TV show and his mother said exactly what I said.
    She didn't teach him
    to behave like other players and allowed him to be "natural."
    Roddick said "maybe I didn't want to look intimidated."
    1 of the few times she disciplined him was when he was 12 years old, and he hit the ball at his opponent because that boy lied to the umpire. She grabbed his ear and stopped his match.

    Roddick let his emotions delay his progress, and it's up to him to decide if he cares about his game and remain calm or be an angry player who keeps joking around with his opponents & yells all the time.
     
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    I like his sense of humor off court, but he shouldn't make life difficult on court.

    He should worry about winning a tournament and don't try to be an arrogant mind game player like Hewitt.
     
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  42. Count Grishnackh

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    I don't see Roddick's behavior to be an annoyance, I think its the fact that he's winning that pisses the haters off more than anything. If he lost all his matches and still did his so-called "antics" no one here would mention him. I'm from Spain and I love the Armada (Moya, Ferrero, Lopez, Nadal) but I was at Nadal's previous match against Heuberger and he kept doing the fist pumps every point he won. Ivo was giving him a stare down as well. When a guy is making fist pumps every time you lose a point you'd get pissed too. I should know when I'm on the court too it really drives me nuts, even more so when you're winning because you think the other guy has lost his mind to get all jacked up while getting their ass kicked in the process. Yeah, you're destroying me tonight, c'mon!!!!!!

    Another thing, I like Roddick and his game, I also like Hewitt, Moya and Ferrero. The thing is that w/o Roddick these message boards would be boring. Federer is number one and the best player right now but I don't see many posts about him, in terms of topics and people mentioning a certain player here Roddick is by far the most talked about by a mile over guys like Agassi, Hewitt, Moya and Federer.

    Lastly, I suppose you decide right off the bat if you like a player or not, even if they didn't do anything to **** you off. I hated Sampras to death during all those years because I found him to be boring, unlikeable and just too dominant. I didn't find his personality or his game exciting and there was just "something" that I didn't like about him right off the bat. As opposed to Agassi and Courier, I just loved those guys because I found their games to be very exciting, revolutionary (at the time), intense and they made me want to go play tennis, eventually they got me into the game of tennis and for that I thank them.

    The guys that make me want to hit the courts today are as I mentioned before (Roddick, Hewitt, Moya, Ferrero) and we all have something we don't like about certain players but please, get lives Roddick haters. I didn't like Sampras and I never posted a thing about him and I won't do the same for Federer either. I figure if I don't like a player, I don't waste my day posting about how much I hate them. I've got better things to do other than put posts all day about how much I don't like a player. One last time. Roddick haters, get a life and most importantly, get girlfriends to get you off these boards and in the bedrooms. 8)
     
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    It's always funny to see that whenever anybody makes a negative post about Andy, irregardless of whether they have a point in it or not, it's automatically viewed as haters by some Andy fans.

    Some fans here need to learn the differences between criticisms and hatred.
     
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    Now I can weigh in -- I couldn't have weighed in before, as I didn't have internet access after Wednesday. I left the US Open, and I went to the family cabin on the lake in Maine, with no TV or conventional phone access.

    But I just HAD to watch the Nadal/Roddick match, so using my cell, I called my mother in Portland, and had her access the usopen.org site to get the order of play. And she did it. Which was great for her. I know you guys think I'm old; just think how old my Mom is, yet she's on the internet. :wink:

    And my brother, who also is similarly old, came and got me by boat, and took me across the lake and then drove me to my Mom's house to watch the match. She does have cable.

    As much as I like Golovin, I just wanted either she or Serena to win it so I could watch a part of the Nadal/Roddick match before taking the car/boat ride back to the cabin.

    And Serena cooperated. Many thanks. :)

    The first set from Nadal was less than impressive. Rafael was overwhelmed, and Andy was a man on a mission. And he set the tone for the match.

    But Rafa didn't give up, and he settled down and played some decent tennis in the second set.

    I knew which way the wind was blowing, so to speak, so my brother took me back to the cabin -- the winds kick up over the lake in the late evening. So I didn't want to get back there too late, but I was glad that the third set was more interesting, and from what was posted in the press, and by the two players, it sounds like it was a half-way decent match, with no bad blood.

    I saw Andy's antics, and I think they were directed at the chair, not at Rafael.

    As for Rafa's fist-pumping, he does it all the time. He does need to tone it down, and he didn't do much of it in the two sets I saw, but I'm sure when he got up a set in the third set, he was acting as if he won the match. That's his youthful energy. It's the way he pumps himself up. And Andy was asked about it in his interview, and he said:

    I think Andy said it all. It does bode well for Rafa's future, but no doubt, Andy did give him a whoopping here.

    But so far, no one else has taken a game off Roddick's serve. But I'm sure things will change soon.

    And Rafael and Tommy Robredo are into the doubles quarters. They beat the No. 4 seeds, Mahesh Bhupathi and Max Mirnyi, 6-4, 6-4.

    Not a bad result for a couple of young claycourters, who specialize in singles.
     
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  45. splink779

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    Its all part of his game. Right now he is unbelievably hot and focused and it is easy to see. For god's sake he already hit several 152 mph serves in his last few games. He is simply overwhelming his opponents, and if he were to ease up at all he could lose his edge. He is playing in an intimidating style and it is working.
     
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  46. VamosRafa

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    If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

    I think that will be his tactic against Robredo. It likely will be successful, unless Tommy has something up his sleeve that his compatriots haven't shown. :?:
     
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