Nadal doesn't dominate Federer, he plays better on breakpoints

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  1. mandy01

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    If thats your logic then one may really have to think before putting Nadal ahead of Borg in terms of clay court greatness.Is Nadal really that great? Surely not.
     
  2. Ledigs

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    What about David Ferrer? What was Borg's clay court competition?

    It is logical that one or two players would dominate their respective surfaces when the field is weaker. Now that there are more up and comers like Del Potro, even if Federer was in his prime he would not dominate as much.
     
  3. mandy01

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    Nadal used to lose to the likes of David Ferrer on HC.Dont give us that crap.And surely using your logic,since the clay field is so weak for Roger it must be really weak for Nadal too.So surely he isnt on par with Borg.
     
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    I don't believe you can compare generations like that, and don't believe you can with Federer and Sampras either. Borg and Nadal really have nothing to do with each other. There is no way to compare the field now with the field then.

    All I'm doing is comparing the field in HCs NOW with the field in clay courts NOW. And the top players are mostly better at HC tournaments. Correct?

    Federer has won one FO and Nadal has won one HC. Even steven. You can't compare semi-final or finals results and say Federer has done better. You can only compare who has won more GS on his worst surface. They are even.

    You must really have something against Nadal to be so nasty about him.
     
  5. Ledigs

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    How so? The field is much stronger now than a few years ago. No one will dispute that.
     
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    It's extremely rude also to call someone "clueless". You are not a nice person.
     
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    Its not me who anoints Nadal as greater than Borg its his fans who do it.Normally i have no problems with that but since you brought up 'weak' field I thought if the field is that weak how can Nadal be as great as people claim him to be?
    Either the field is weak or Nadal is just that much better than everyone and Federer is just that much better than everyone except Nadal.
     
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    Wait.Werent you talking about the field NOW.Then why are you talking about 'a few years ago'?
    Besides,isnt Fed STILL reaching RG finals and even masters finals even with the so called better field?LOL ..You're owning yourself
     
  9. Ledigs

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    I was talking about the HC field a few years ago when Federer was dominating.

    For Nadal/Federer purposes (people who say that Fed is better on HIS worst surface than Nadal is on his worst surface) I am comparing the current field on HC vs. clay
     
  10. mandy01

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    ok,cry me a river.And yes,I'm not a good person at all.
     
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    LOL..Looks like the field only gets weak when Federer starts to dominate :lol:
    Double standards at their best. :D
    btw-If Nadal couldnt make it to HC finals with such a weak field that really dosent say much about him.
     
  12. Ledigs

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    Nadal was just starting out in 03-04. He was what 17-18?

    Fed won most of his slams after Nadal's current age.
     
  13. mandy01

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    Was he starting out in 05,06,07 too?Last time I checked the guy was already winning big tournaments then :shock:
    BTW-What has age got anything to do with whats being discussed?
     
  14. Ledigs

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    Federer has had time to change his game plan and get more experience on clay tournaments. Nadal I expect to win US Open and another AO soon.
     
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    Sure.But it is still to be done :wink:
     
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    I think what she means is that federer just can't convert on any break opportunities. He probably chokes and plays either overly conservative or risky because he's aware of that golden opportunity. I think against nadal, he enters a mindset when he plays nadal in break point opportunities.
     
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    By saying that the clay field is not as good as the HC field is saying exactly that about Federer.
     
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    That's true but Nadal has played the big points better. And based on their h2h he has dominated Fed.
     
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    No it's not. I'm saying Federer is better on HC, thus he beats a better HC field. He is that good on HC. Now, it is up for debate if Nadal is that good on clay, could be he's just better than the field on clay...but he's ALSO better than Federer on clay.

    If you have:

    Federer is a 7.0 on HC
    Rest of field is a 6.8 HC
    Nadal is a 6.5 on HC

    On clay:

    Nadal is a 7.0
    Federer is a 6.5
    Rest of field is a 6.3 on clay

    They are both 6.5's on their worst surface, but Federer is able to reach the finals because the clay field is a 6.3 and he beats them.

    Now, Nadal is a 6.5 but the HC field is 6.8 on HC, so it's harder for him to get to finals.

    See what I'm saying?
     
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    Yes what you are saying is obvious. The only thing is the field being 6.3 and 6.8 are pulled out of someone's ass. It's simply not true and there is no evidence for it. It's subjective and can be argued either way. The only hard data are the results as I have said before.
     

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