Nadal doesnt feel he can beat Murray on Grass or HC

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  1. miyagi

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  2. Cesc Fabregas

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    Thats such a poor article.
     
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  3. Cesc Fabregas

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    Yep Nadal doesn't think he can beat Murray outside clay I mean its not like he just beat Murray 6-1 6-2 at Indian Wells and destroyed Murray at Wimbledon last year:rolleyes: the Murray hype is a joke.
     
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    well he has got it wrong before but whilst I'm not a fan of Murray but he is playing well this year!

    He does deserve alot of credit!
     
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    Lets see, Murray is #4 but he is already #1. Why stop there? Go for GOAT!! Do it now. Don't wait for the record to catch up. GOAT! GOAT! GOAT!
     
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  6. helloworld

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    Murray has no chance against Nadal on grass. Dream on.
     
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  7. Cesc Fabregas

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    Agreed just watch the match last year Nadal destroyed Murray.
     
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    yep, if there's one thing we've learnt about grass from Nadal, it's that however good you are on the surface when you've just turned 21, that's how good you'll be on it for the rest of your career.
     
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    No chance.. wow that is pretty bold. I think this year the Big W will be very interesting. ARod playing well along with Rafa, Fed and maybe even Dent..

    Can't wait to see it.

    Regards,
     
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  10. SteveI

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    You mean Murray might improve?
     
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    I think this article is a bit premature and more wishful thinking than serious analysis. Nadal gave Murray a very competitive match in Rotterdam until his knee gave up and thoroughly spanked him in Indian Wells.

    Murray weak spot is not his 2nd serve, but his lapses in concentration, and there is where top players can sink their teeth.

    But yeah, he has been impressive these last months, let's see how his game translates to the natural surfaces. It is true that he hasn't had good results on clay or grass yet, but his game looks good and solid enough for any surface, this year will be interesting with a solid top 4 and some sleepers (Tsonga, Roddick, Simon...) ready to pull an upset.
     
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    I'd love to see Federer-Murray at Wimbledon
     
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    How dare he make Nadal out be some one tricky pony that only excels on clay. Did he not just win a hard court grand slam and a hard court masters within the last four months? Not to mention that thrashing that he gave Murray on grass last year.

    British writer writing about a British tennis player is all this is.
     
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    I don't know much about English journalists, but I really hope Simon Reed is not one of Britain's top tennis commentators as it is said in the article. I though Eurosport was a serious channel.

    If this article was posted in this forum he would be banned for trolling.
     
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  15. Cesc Fabregas

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    I like the bit where he says every other tournment Murray will be favourite I mean Federer has been in the last 6 Wimbledon finals winning 5 of them and Nadal the last 3 winning 1 of them, worst article I have read in a long time.
     
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    What an idiotic article. Major British homer.
     
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    First let me say again that Murrays loss to Nadal at last years wimbledon will not happen again.
    While this idiot of a reporter is clearly underestimating Nadal, there is no doubt in my mind that if Nadal goes out unexpentantly like in Miami, Murray should win.

    Murray should become no 3 by RG, and if he does even remotely well there, than his chances of taking no 2 will be even higher.
     
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  18. tacou

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    how is Murray better than Nadal on grass? stupid article.
     
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    LOL. The article writer forgot what happened just couple of weeks ago in IW. :shock:
    I like Murray, he is OK, and he is in great form ATM, but all this hype around him is a bit too much.
     
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    Don't pay any attention to what Simon Reed writes. He makes eurosport.co.uk , an otherwise reliable source of tennis news, look foolish.
     
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    As a Brit myself, I have to say the shameless way in which the British commentators kiss Murray's ass all the time and have almighty orgasms whenever he hits a winner really makes me cringe.
     
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    Well if IW match was a joke, then Rotterdam match was a joke too since Nadal was obviously injured. At least they were both healthy in IW.
     
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    Simon Reed is a joke and he has gone completely over the top. However, I wish people would stop bringing up the Indian Wells final. Did anyone even watch it? The conditions were farcical and it would be idiotic to read anything into it other than Nadal is able to handle gale force winds better than Murray.

    If people really think that Nadal would hammer Murray 6-1, 6-2 in normal conditions, they really need their head looked at. That match isn't relevant to future hard court matches.
     
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    :cool:...Respect...:cool:
     
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    Can't forget about Tsonga, and Gasquet serve and volleying well at the Australian Open can only mean good at Wimbledon. This year is going to be interesting.
     
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    That wasn't even an article.

    That was more like a lengthy TW forum post.
     
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    Give the British writer a break. Murray's the most talented British player since their beloved Fred Perry in the 1930's. Aside from Nadal, Murray's been the best player in the world this year and I do think Murray has a chance to win a few majors over the years.

    The men's field really looks very interesting, unlike past years in which, unless it was on clay, it was Federer and no one else has much chance.

    Now the field has Nadal, Murray, Federer, Djokovic and even Roddick among other have a shot to win majors.
     
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  30. Josherer

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    It's not a joke but people really need to step back a bit.... No doubt Murray is good, but still, he's no where near the likes of Fed or Nadal yet...
     
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    simon reed lol.
    its gonna be interesting wimb this year and see how murray handles all the pressure he definitely has bc of everyone saying how he can be 1
     
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    The reporter is biased as hell...

    It's just because Murray is from Great Britain and they haven't had much success in the top 5 recently.
     
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    LOL Look at the haters trying to discount Nadal's win in Indian Wells. Nadal is a beast. Face the facts.
     
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    You know that the reason Nadal was able to win at IW but not Miami is that IW's courts are slower than Miami's, right? :wink:
     
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    It didn't use to be that way. Miami altered their courts to just make it another typical US hardcourt that is too fast. Indian Wells was just right. ;)
     
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  36. bolo

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    simon reed has it ass-backwards. The question with murray in grandslams is purely physical imo. He will never blow anyone away and his grinding style is going to take a toll in 5 set matches as he goes deeper into the draws of Grandslams.
     
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    Murray is a great player, but Nadal is a much better player.
     
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    Are you being sarcastic or need to change your avatar? :)
     
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    Of course, any tournament Nadal can win is just about right! :wink:
     
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    No, he's just speaking the truth.
     
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    Proud Britts have been hyping about Murray for at least 2 years. And what? They are not very good with facts and figures either:

    points to date
    Nadal - 14 470
    Murray - 8 840

    H2H to date:
    6:2

    most recent encounter:
    thorough beating of Murray by Nadal in straight sets 6:1, 6:2.

    How many slams will poor Murray have to win to close this gap?
     
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  42. Josherer

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    Haha what a silly article...

    DOES ANYONE ON THIS BOARD THINK THAT NADAL HIMSELF, FEELS LIKE HE CAN BEAT MURRAY ON GRASS OR HC?
     
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    Here's an idea. why don't we start a thread about what a TW poster thinks Simon Reed said, rather than what he actually said, that'll be fun.

    TW Poster: "Nadal doesnt feel he can beat Murray on Grass or HC "

    What Reed actually said:"Rafael Nadal's a bit different as he knows he can beat anyone on clay. But I'm not convinced that he'd feel secure playing Murray on any other surface."

    Now I don't have a degree in english, or anything like that, but I can figure out that Reed is saying Nadal KNOWS he will beat Murray on clay, but doesn't have the same level of confidence on any other surface. This is patently NOT the same thing as saying Nadal doesn't think he can beat Murray on grass or hardcourt. Anyone who thinks otherwise clearly needs remedial classes on their English comprehension.
     
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  44. Cesc Fabregas

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    Reed in that article made out Rafa to be a one trick pony and his comment Murray is favourite everywhere else outside of clay irked me.
     
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    Which is fair enough, I disagree with most of the article too. But let's have debate over what was said rather than make stuff up - the OP's 'headline' would not be out of place in a British tabloid!

    The headline wasn't "Reed says Rafa is one trick pony" or "Reed says Murray favourite everywhere except clay". It was "Rafa doesn't feel he can beat Muuray on grass and HC" - when nobody had made such claim.
     
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    Fabregas said he 'made out' not he actually said.
     
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    I've already agreed with what Cesc said, but that is beside the point. My point is that the OP started this thread with the title "Nadal doesn't feel he can beat Murray on grass or hard court" When no such claim had been made.
     
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    Yeah no worries, but we know a majority of the people that start these kind of threads are idiots anyway..
     
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    Well Murray is going to have to play a darn lot better than when I saw him last year against Nadal at Wimbledon Nadal dominated the whole time. Agreed Murray had some good powerful returns but where do these people go when it comes to the five setters? The press are mean to Murray here. They hype him up and then if he doesn't deliver - heaven help him. I shudder at the adulation he is getting at the moment because they are already putting him on a pedastal and making him out to be THE player who will dominate the scene the whole year. O K it may happen but I still think he performs at his best on HC.
     
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    Not a fan of Murray with his boring game, but I have to agree that Murray -outside the clay season- is favorite to win. That how it is at this moment in my opinion anyway, I feel he simply is the best player at this moment.

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    I love how Nadal-fans throw in the last encounter with Murray and keep hammering on that 6-1 6-2 :lol:
     
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