Nadal has been virtually unbeatable since 2007

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  1. illkhiboy

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    Nadal has virtually been unbeatable in Grand Slams since 2007.

    2007
    Australian - Was injured against Gonzalez

    Q. Fernando was in awesome form out there. What was it like on the other side of the court? Could you do much against him?
    RAFAEL NADAL: Well, he's playing very good level, that's for sure. Maybe was not a good match for me. I don't know if I can say I am playing bad, but for sure I can't play at hundred percent, no?
    I have problems in my leg, so I cannot run. I can't run a lot. Was difficult play one match like this, quarterfinals of one Grand Slam, with pain, without the best conditions, no?



    Roland Garros - Won
    Wimbledon - Injured in 4th set against Federer

    Q. What about the knee, and the injury?
    RAFAEL NADAL: Well, was not the best moment, no, because I was playing fine in the fourth for a while and I have to call to the trainer. But doesn't matter, no? Just right now is better, so doesn't matter. Don't worry about the knee. Thank you, but was fine.



    US Open - Injured against Ferrer

    Q. How frustrated and disappointed are you to go out this early in a slam?
    RAFAEL NADAL: Well, sure, this is disappointing for me. But that's the tennis, that's the sport. I am having a very good season. I arrive here playing well. Disappointing for me I can't play the last days a hundred percent the tournament for the problem of the knees. And maybe that affect a little bit my physical performance.


    2008
    Australian - Legit Victory for Tsonga.
    Roland Garros - Won
    Wimbledon - Won
    US Open - Not Injured, but really tired

    Q. When you say that you didn't feel that fresh, it's normal, you're a human being. But how did you see? Do you think you're a little slower, or do you think you are not so mentally focused all the time? For instance, when you missed that volley you were 3-2 and 40-30 and then 40-All and you missed an easy drop volley when he was very far away on the fourth set.
    RAFAEL NADAL: That's part of the game, no? He play better than me and he beat me. If you saw the match yesterday when I have to split and run, much slower than usual, no? That's the true.
    Well, it was more difficult be all the time concentrate, no? That's it.



    2009
    Australian - Won
    Roland Garros - Injured against Soderling
    Wimbledon - DNP
    US Open - Slightly Injured against Del Potro

    Q. To what degree did your stomach injury affect you today and in this tournament?
    RAFAEL NADAL: I going to repeat: He played much better than me, and for that reason he beat me. Later, it sounds like an excuse, no?

    ....
    Yeah, was tough to play few matches like this. But at the same time, was important for maybe play this tournament, try my best. It's one of the most important tournaments of the year, and I had to try, no?
    I did a good result, very positive result for me after coming back. Semifinals. Today he played better than me. He beat me, and right now I just try to recover. Is not very important injury, so that's really important for me, too.



    2010
    Australian - Injured against Murray

    Retired


    Roland Garros - Won
    Wimbledon - Won
    US Open - Won

    2011
    Australian - Injured against Ferrer

    Q. What can you tell us about the injury? What did David say to you at the end of the match?
    RAFAEL NADAL: I can say nothing about the injury. Seriously, I would prefer don't talk a lot about the injury.
    Tonight, first of all, I don't know nothing. Second thing, for respect to the winner and to a friend, I prefer to talk about the match. I think he played at a very high level. I just congratulate him and wish him all the best for the semifinal. I think he's doing a fantastic tournament. If he keep playing like this, he going to have a good chances.
    What David told me at the net is for me and that's it.


    Roland Garros - Won

    In 17 Slams since 2007, he's won 8, been injured in 7, and lost fair and square in two.

    Conclusion: I report, you decide
     
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  2. PSNELKE

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    Injured in 7 :lol:

    Excuses over excuses dear fanboy.
     
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  3. Bartelby

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    Since 2010 maybe but otherwise your report does not support your finding in the title.
     
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    The other thing is that you can't assume an injury as some sort of way of stating he would otherwise be unbeatable. A loss is a loss. That's the way it works. And a win is a win, no matter what the luck and circumstance.
     
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    I liked the part where he was injured or tired.

    It really emphasizes Rafa's fighting spirit and "never say die" attitude.
     
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  6. Sentinel

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    Very objective original post. It's clearly impossible to beat Rafa when he's fit. Only a fool would think otherwise.

    btw, please desist from using a Pink Floyd album as your avatar. Pink Floyd feels virtually insulted since Jan 2006.
     
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  7. Li Ching Yuen

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    Tennis should be suspended if Nadal is injured.

    There, problem solved.
     
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  8. jones101

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    Rafa has never lost a match healthy - FACT, no?
     
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    Hahahaha hey since you pointed that out, let me come clean - this is just me doing my best impersonation of a Rafa-****. :D
     
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    LOL,"Dark side of the moon" right? Anyway I think the OP is just being sarcastic,I seem to vaguely remember him being a Fed fan.
     
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    You left out the best part after losing to Gonzo in 2007:

    Q. What part of your leg is the pain in?
    RAFAEL NADAL: Well, it's not just the one place. I have pain here, in my famous ass (smiling). After I feel a little bit here, too (pointing to the inside and outside of the thigh). That maybe it's just tired, no? But down this way and in the ass is very, very painful, no?


    LOL,Nadal's a legend,to say that to media.

    Anyway,he does have some troubles with injuries and as the best or 2nd best player in this era he's constantly being asked a lot of questions about his performances on court.
     
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    Hey,I do remember Roger saying saying he felt 'pain in his buttocks' after Rome due to 2-hour serving practice sessions or something.:cool: :evil:

    Seriously though,that answer really was priceless.:lol: I burst out laughing when I saw the video especially :lol:
     
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    My apologies bro, shame on me for not picking it up. I actually saw the title, and came into the thread fuming with what I had to type, before even reading the OP. I saw the second and 3rd post and my mind was prejudiced.

    Currently, we have both Ralf and Noel declared "unbeatable" by different poasters, lol, using different criteria.
     
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  14. zagor

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    LOL! Didn't Fed also recently say his groin needs rest or something?

    Yeah,I was also laughing hard when I heard Nadal say that back in 2007.
     
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  15. Messarger

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    Yup. The only guy to beat him when he was at 100% was Tsonga, and Djokovic this year.
     
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    The only SLAM loss since 2007 in which Nadal has lost in and not been injured was the 2008 A0 and The 2008 US Open, but he was running on fumes at the USO as he had sacrificed the US Open for the Gold medal.

    Out of all those Injuries in SLAMS, the beneficiaries were:

    2007 AO= Fred
    2007 WIm= Fred
    2007 USO= Fred
    2008 USO = Fred
    2009 FO = Fred
    2009 Wim = Fred
    2009 USo = Delpo
    2010 AO= Fred
    2011 AO= Djoker.

    Fred benefited +7 slams
    Delpo benefitted + 1 slam
    Djoker benefitted +1 slam

    Some of the injuries probably come down to health management, but some are just freak acute injuries that can happen in sport, just very unlucky!Nadal would have won at least some of those slams for sure. I don't think anyone will dispute that unless they have rocks in their head.

    Conclusion: Nadal's injuries have inflated Fred's slam count and deflated Nadals' and this made Fred overated relative to Nadal and Nadal appear underated relative to Fred as their current slam tallies(16-10) does not reflect their true talent relative to eachother. Nadal's 09 injury woes really did save Fred's career - he got lucky no one will deny that.
     
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    The othe conclusion, is that Nadal has been injuried during a large part of his prime, and also it's not that he wasn't good enough to reach Hard court slam finals earlier, it's just that he was not uninjured enough to reach more hard court SLAM finals earlier.
     
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    There were only two injuries that really affected Nadal, and that was against Ferrer this year and Del Potro. The rest is just a bunch of nonsense. Ferrer beat Nadal fair and square at the USO.
     
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  19. FedExpress 333

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    excuses galore.................
     
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  20. TheNatural

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    LOL..thats pretty funny, I have to admit. :)
    Maybe they should have a longer off season and use more natural surfaces.
     
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    All This Gluteus Maximus Talk!

    The anatomical references remind me of a skit by the Jerky Boys from the 90's:

    Nurse (On the phone): Doctor's office...How may I help you?

    JB: is this the ass doctor?

    Nurse: Dr. XXX is a proctologist.

    JB: I don't care what problem he has. I need to see him... My ass is KILLING me!

    Nurse: Sir, please use the proper terminology!

    JB : Excuse me but I'm dying here... My ass is killing me!

    (click)

    JB: She hung up. I can't believe she hung up on me!

    FINIS

    SeƱor Nadal... Please use the proper terminology...your famous gluteus Maximus is sore from all the excessive, time-wasting OCD-induced buttock scratching. Doctor's Rx: change underwear more often!
     
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  22. above bored

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    From this post anyone would think Nadal is the only player on tour who suffers from injuries or fatigue. All players have to deal with both. The difference is they don't keep bleating on about it.

    No doubt Nadal has been the beneficiary of others injuries and fatigue, most notably Federer's throughout 2008 and early 2009 when he had to deal with fatigue and stamina problems after mono and an aggravated back injury. It can equally be argued that 2008 to early 2009 would look very different for Nadal had Federer been healthy.
     
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  23. Sharpshooter

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    Fed was fine in 2008 and early 09 what a load of crap.

    He easily made the RG and WIm finals in 08, won the 08 USO in straights and then got to the AO final in very convincing fashion destroying Del Potro and Roddick. If anything, he was lucky that he had an extra day to recover/prepare for the AO final whereas Nadal had to recover from a 5 & 1/4 hour semi against Verdasco who was playing the match of his life.

    But I do think some of those Nadal injury excuses were BS. The real ones were 2009 RG and WIM, the AO10 QF and AO11QF. The rest he lost fair and square.
     
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    Federer was clearly not fine during this period, on so many levels. His problems have been well documented.

    None of this should matter of course because all players will encounter difficulties in their careers, but the moment you start making allowances for one player and not for another, you lose all credibility.
     
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    a forum filled with fed. fanboy crying threads. It just goes on and on and on .........
     
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    Hasn't Federer had back problems for years? It's been well documented that he nearly pulled out of Wimbledon in 2003 after hurting his back, and he was deemed unfit for National Service in the Swiss Army down to "Back problems."

    I'd be surprised if there was anyone on tour who wasn't carrying some injury, no matter how young they are. If it's a knee problem then it's obvious to all the world because of the tape around the knees, but if it's something that can be covered up by a shirt, shorts or socks then if the player chooses to keep quiet, who's going to know?
     
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    Ever thought that in order to be unbeatable at certain tournaments, he has to push and bear through his physical limitations? Injuries happen because he does that. He's not unbeatable if he has to sacrifice his health for the next tournament to win the current one.
     
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  28. Manus Domini

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    I don't call 8/17 slams "virtually unbeatable".
     
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    Interesting that you don't make the same comment in the Nadal crybaby thread that wants to ban HC's, LOL :)
     
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    One, athletes who compete in physically demanding sports with a grueling schedule will rarely be 100%. They will always have various nicks and bruises and assorted ailments (note that a lot of those you will never even hear about). Plus, if a player decides to step on the court/field of play, then he must be considered "fit to play", and whether he's at 75, 80, 85 or 90% of his physical capabilities is irrelevant to the legitimacy of the result(s). Therefore, the "but he was tired/sick/injured/not 100%" argument is just plain silly, fallacious nonsense.

    Two, Nadal's tiredness/injuries are, mostly, a direct result of his style of play. One cannot claim that his wins, which are obviously the result of his physical approach to the game, are legitimate, while at the same time arguing that his losses are not, i.e. that said losses should have an asterisk besides them because he was tired or injured. That's neither rational nor logical. Without his unique style of play, Nadal might have suffered fewer injuries but he would also not have been this successful.
     
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  31. Magnus

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    This wins Fanboy thread of the year award. LOL.
     
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  32. Magnus

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    I believe DP would have blasted Nadal anyway, he looked unbeatable at that tournament.
     
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  33. zagor

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    C'mon,he has a point.
     
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    I would call it "Best troll thread of the Year".

    I think the OP is a Fed fan with a talent for quality trolling.
     
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  35. zagor

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    No doubt,he's a Fed fan.
     
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    Exactly. Being and staying healthy is part and parcel to being an athlete, especially a top athlete. If you get injured frequently or have to sacrifice and extend yourself just to continue playing, then you weren't that great of an athlete to begin with. Your injuries can be legit but it certainly doesn't add to your greatness if you have to sit out because of it.

    Some posters here like to use injuries to enhance Nadal's career (the shoulda, coulda, wouldas). It happens to other player fanbases too but seems to happen the most amongst the *******s.
     
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    Maybe but keep in mind that for example one poster who constantly brings up Nadal's injuries as an excuse(more than anyone else on this forum)is a Sampras fanboy whose sole reason for being a so called Nadal fan is because he's butthurt Fed smashed some of Pete's records.
     
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    Oh I am very well aware of that. Hence I said "*******s", not the true Nadal fans for whom I have respect for.

    As for this poster.....all the threads I have seen from this poster have been to denigrate Federer through Nadal, in order to make Sampras look better. It's very predictable what kind of posts you'll see from him.
     
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    Yes but do you consider said poster to be a Nadal fan even though he declares himself as one? I don't.The point I'm trying to make is that some posters who give Nadal a bad rep aren't really Nadal fans at all,they just hate/dislike Roger.
     
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    No I don't consider him a Nadal fan, only a ******* (not a true fan of Nadal, whom I distinguish from *******).

    It became even more hilariously apparent the other night when I said I felt Nadal is more dominant at RG than Sampras at Wimbledon. Suddenly his tune changed. Defend Sampras vehemently at all costs, even if it meant going against Nadal. Very transparent.
     
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  41. NadalAgassi

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    I think TheNatural is a Nadal fan, not just a Sampras protector. He seemed to get pissy when Djokovic was starting to regularly beat Nadal too.

    I know myself that I am a big fan of both Sampras and Nadal but it has nothing to do with one anothers records. I just like both players alot for totally different reasons as they arent even that similar. Djokovic is also one of my favorite players and I was rooting for him to win the French this year, even before Nadal, as I felt he deserved to win a non Australian slam and take the #1 ranking and it was overdue for him.

    Federer isnt one of my favorites I admit. That is just the way it has always been. He just doesnt appeal to me like some of the other players. Also in part due to the fact his fans are quite annoying I find as well, starting Federer is GOAT talk on every thread, and trying to shove it down everyones throats.
     
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  42. Tennis_Monk

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    Oh my.. So people do believe in what players say in press conferences...well...njoy.
     
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  43. mcr619619

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    he's beating himself, he forcing his body into the limit...being fit like Fed is better..
     
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    yup, i also think so... he always tried to defend Nadal against federer/djo fans... is it a disguise?
     
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  45. jukka1970

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    Gee, are we a little pissed off that Federer beat your avatar's grand slam total?
     
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    Oh get over it, your avatar (Samprass) was never going to be the best. Am sure we'll be hearing about the Sampras excuses next. As for Nadal, he doesn't need your excuses.
     
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    All excuses. Well, they're his fault for playing the way he plays. If he's in top condition, maybe he'll always win. But he wins how he plays, and the way he plays has a price. Get over it.
     
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    I suspect both Federer & Nadal have a book in the bag that they carry on-court. They must be reading that book following every loss because they never seem to run out of reasons for losing- it's anything but the opponents superior play. It's better they hang up their rackets and watch this guy-

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    We should have a troll-ranking for every poster around here. Should be fun :)
     
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  50. Magnus

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    Nadal fans IMO are by far the most annoying fans of any player in ANY sport. They make it hard to even respect the guy.
     
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