Nadal: 'I Am Not The Favourite'

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  1. veroniquem

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    No excuse needed. Djoko is good enough to get some wins vs Nadal on clay. Nadal is good enough to get more wins vs Djoko though. It is quite nice to finally have a rivalry at the top on clay where the outcome is not a foregone conclusion. Thanks to Nadal's formidable talent, there's been quite a shortage of that since 2005. Djoko is revitalizing the debate. Good for both of them.
     
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  2. TheTruth

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    Nice post, V.
     
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  3. TheTruth

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    Veroniquem and I have shared this forum for a long time. We don't agree on everything, but neither one of us have ever stooped to such a low level. We have our own opinions, but are not in the habit of trying to create flamewars on the board. Nice try, but it won't work.

    Please don't try to put words in my mouth. V is hardly the only person to make a prediction on that match. It looks like you're trying to start something. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
     
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  4. Mick

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    well. let's say you guys took 7 months off like Nadal did. Do you think you would be able to beat your hitting buddies who play at your level and didn't take time off? I think he was honest in making that assessment. I am surprised Nadal could reach the level he has reached so soon.
     
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  5. TheTruth

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    I am too, Mick. Nadal has more than surpassed my expectations I expected a much bumpier ride. It's always touch and go when players come back from layoffs. I wish all of them well upon their return, because for us it's a sport. For them it's their life and livelihood.
     
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    Is this supposed to justify Nadal saying that he's not the favorite? Because he ALWAYS says that.
     
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    What an excellent post.
     
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    You said this like he has committed some kind of sporting crime saying he isn't the favourite. Why exactly? So what? I don't get why it bothers people whether he says he is the greatest clay court player of all time or whether he is not the favourite. As it goes, I think he was the favourite going into the tournament but not the favourite on the day of the final, for several reasons.

    But seriously, why does it even bother you?
     
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    Good post. Because it is Nadal no one seemed really surprised he was winning again after 8 months off. But the fact is that in the very tightest clutch moments (like in the 2nd set vs Djokovic), that lack of match sharpness, fitness and mental focus is telling when you have had so long off. It is bound to be. Because he starts with such a big margin of error over every other player on clay, it doesn't get found out. But it did on Sunday. With games will come greater fitness and sharpness. I think there were plenty of signs he wasn't at his best in MC: losing a 6-2 set to Dimitrov? 5-1 up against Tsonga and only winning on a TB? Clearly he is not at his best yet whereas Novak arguably played his best ever match on clay. And even then scraped that 2nd set and probably would have lost a 3rd if it had gone on. These are the margins.
     
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    Don't worry TheTruth. I had no intention of taking his post seriously ;)
     
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  11. veroniquem

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    I'm sorry but that's 1 excuse I don't understand. The 7 months break was a reasonable argument for the Zeballos loss. It made sense that Rafa needed to shake off some rust and lack of competition. However, I fail to see how that could have any impact on the M-C tournament. M-C was Rafa's 5th tournament back, he had already won 3 titles, 2 of them on clay, 1 of them a master. He also had already clashed with and beaten a whole string of top players including Ferrer, Almagro, Berd, Fed, Delpo, Tsonga, in form Gulbis, etc, etc. There is no way Rafa was still suffering from lack of match play. If he loses a match in August or October, surely people are not gonna still argue the injury break, right? Losses happen. They happen to everyone, no matter what their ranking is or what their form is. There is a time when one has to let go of nonsensical excuses.
    You could say it was his first match vs Djoko in a long time and that Djoko presents him with a higher challenge than other players in general, which would be correct but lack of match sharpness (or mental focus) in general? After winning 3 titles in a row? Simply no.
     
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  12. vernonbc

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    Disagree with you this time veroniquem. Adrenalin got him through that first month plus a lower tier of competition. I think Rafa was exactly right when he said that he needed more experience playing in tight matches against top competitors.

    There wasn't one single soul (including Rafa) who thought he would be able to come back at the top of his game. Wasn't it Agassis that said invariably it takes players the same amount of time that they were out to come back and be in top match shape?

    It didn't help that Rafa probably overdid it when he came back and was having so much success so that his knee was giving him grief again after IW and he wasn't able to get back to intense practice for a few weeks. Anybody watching him play could see he wasn't sharp in MC for whatever reason and that was bad news against a competitor like Novak. The mental part of the game needs practice just as much as the physical.
     
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  13. veroniquem

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    I understand fitness (because of the knee treatment). I can't figure out match or mental sharpness after a whole bunch of finals but I guess that's a moot point. The most important thing is that Rafa would feel good on the court whatever the underlying issue is and if whatever problems that affect him penalize him vs only 1 player, then it's not so bad really.
     
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    I know. It's just sad when people purposely try to create antagonism on the board. That's the only reason I addressed it.
     
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    That's how I see it as well. During his comeback he was playing lesser players, and while del Potro on hard was a great result, the other Top 3 are in a league of their own. That is where Nadal's progress will ultimately be measured, against his true peers. I don't think his win against Federer was a barometer for where he was, because Fed seemed to be totally unfocussed during that match. For the most part he is still beating the players he beat before the layoff, but since he is in the top echelon that's where he'll have to improve and measure his own level.
     
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