Nadal: I don't have nothing to speak with de Villiers

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  1. Marius_Hancu

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    RAFAEL NADAL POST MATCH INTERVIEW

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    Q. You know that Etienne of the ATP is here. Are you going to talk to him and say the same thing you told us about the calendar, what you said in Barcelona? I know you have told him already, but do you think there is a chance that something can change, or you don't think anything will change?

    RAFAEL NADAL: I don't have nothing to speak with this man, no? Not more.

    Q. Don't trust him?

    RAFAEL NADAL: Lose more time trying to fight for nothing it's very stupid, so I have it's stupid. Last year I have a lot of time lose a lot of time trying to understand why he doing these things, and he's impossible to understand.

    [more cut for SPOILER concern]
     
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  2. coloskier

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    Everyone else has to play the same schedule. Is he the only one who got bad blisters? And it is obvious that he got the blisters in Barcelona, which is only two weeks into the clay season.
     
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    Come on, you are not serious. Not everyone plays in the finals, not everyone has that many points to defend and not everyone's "home" tournament is in the middle of three ATP Masters.

    I am not Nadal's fan, but he has valid points and ATP deserves all the criticism for this ridiculous clay season schedule.
    And all this only to align Miami with changed NCAA basketball schedule for the viewing pleasure of US couch potatoes. Outrageous.
     
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  4. Defcon

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    Yeah, methinks he doth protest too much!

    We all know the ATP is run by idiots and the clay court fiasco scheduling fiasco this year is the latest in a long series. All the clay courters have complained about it a million times already.

    Look at it this way, the compressed schedule punishes ONLY clay courters - players who cannot make up points anywhere else. That sounds like one-dimensional to me!

    Add to this the fact that Nadal almost always gets the easiest draws, he really has no reason to complain.
     
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  5. willgonase10

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    I totally agree with Nadal.

    If he can't pull off this type of schedule, who else can? Nadal is like the most fit guy IN the game right now. Look at those muscles. Look at this build. Look at his endurance and strength!!! If he can't play with this schedule no one can really...

    Oh well, 105-2 on clay for several years. Not bad. Oh and I'm not a fan of Nadal. :)
     
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  6. coloskier

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    He should have known this was coming because the ATP had the exact same schedule 4 years ago. If you look at this, he got his blisters at the end of the 2nd week in Barcelona, the equivalent of playing one Grand Slam tournament. Last year he played Rome, Hamburg and RG back to back. Yes, there is a week between Hamburg and RG, but that is still just as heavy a schedule.
     
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    Can't make points up anywhere else? Buddy, he is a two time Wimbledon finalist and won Indian Wells and several hard court events...He is plenty capable.
     
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    They have to deal with the Olympics, right? That's why the schedule's so messed...
     
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    On another thread I posted breakout od Nadals points. Out of 5930, 2900 are from clay and m3030 are from other surface tournaments. Enough for #4 rank with 0 points on clay.
     
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  10. coloskier

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    Yes, but everyone else IS playing with the same schedule. Some people get hurt, others don't. I still think he is a warrior for playing through to the end of the match, but don't blame your blisters on scheduling. It was his choice to play every tournament, no one else's. Everyone else took a break, including most of the other clay court players. If you are that desperate for points, maybe you should consider playing better on hard/indoor courts, which are almost 50% of the tour circuit. Unfortunately, that is a fact of life in the ATP.
     
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  11. Moose Malloy

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    The schedule was EXACTLY the same in 2004, also an Olympic year. Can anyone who thinks the schedule change this year was due to the NCAA's give one plausible explanation as to why it was the same in 2004? Do the NCAA's also only come along every 4 years?

    Federer last year played his 'home' tournament in between Madrid & Paris. And he lost early in Paris. Don't blame the ATP for not taking the 'hometowns' of its top players into consideration when making schedules.
     
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    I don't get this "schedule is changed because of Olympics" thing. The Olympics is in August, RG and Wimbledon are not going to move their schedule, so what then schedule in April and May has to do with the Olympics? Anybody care to explain.
    AFAIK the clay season schedule is changed to accommodate IW and Miami and US TV networks due to NCAA BB schedule change. That is simply bad.
     
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    I think it would have been better just to have defaulted the match. it was clear that rafa could not move. just to show ATP, that they are not doing a good job
     
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    The way I see it is that ATP should have known this was coming and not mess up with the schedule.
     
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    It's obvious Nadal was very frustrated due to losing on his beloved surface so I can see why he was being a little testy during his post match interview. Hopefully Nadal doesn't have issues with blisters leading up to RG or he is going to have some serious problems.
     
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  16. coloskier

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    They had no choice. They had to fit in two weeks of the Olympics into an already too packed schedule.
     
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    I never said Nadal can't make up points, he's the #2 player so he can. But he will suffer a lot more than say Djokovic, Nalbanidan, Fed etc because he's primarily a clay courter.

    He knew about this and the only reason he's playing is to defend his ranking points. And he just lost 495 of them.

    If Nadal felt comfortable on other surfaces, he'd have skipped this in a heartbeat. After Wimbledon, he has almost no chance of winning anything, so he basically has to play everything in the clay season and risk injury. Its been the same story the last 3 years.
     
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    Of course they pack the clay season schedule over packing the hard court season. de Villiers must be a *******.
     
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    I see what you are saying. So this new schedule is going to be permanent? Why would they change it every four years to accommodate basketball? That doesn't make sense either.
     
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    Come on now,yes everybody has to play with the same schedule but the one player that was mostly hurt by it was Nadal,no question about it.I mean he does play hardcourt tournaments and reguraly reaches semis or finals so he does show up and wins his share of points on hardcourt,it's not like he wimps out on his worst surface like Roddick and Blake did out of Monte Carlo.In my opinion he should have a fair chance to win as much points as he can on his best surface and it was made impossible for him to defend all his clay points,winning 4 tournaments in 4 weeks cannot be done(although he didn't win Hamburg he still has final to defend there).
     
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    Ok let me try to explain again.
    1. Olympics is in August.
    2. RG in May/June and Wimbledon June/July are not moving.
    3. Clay season in April and May up to Hamburg is pushed later not earlier, i.e. CLOSER to the Olympics.

    So how this clay season change in schedule helps "fit two weeks of Olympics into an already packed schedule"? I just don't see it.
     
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  22. Defcon

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    Also I never hear the clay courters thank the ATP for slowing down every single surface, making a mockery of grass and basically giving them a chance to compete anywhere except red clay.

    Remember the late 90's - clay courters used to boycott Wimbledon and whine that it was too fast for them. SV players had a real chance. Clay courters, including Nadal, would get blown off the court if HC and grass played like they were meant to.
     
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  23. edmondsm

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    This schedule change is seriously fishy. It appears to not effect the space around the time the Olympics are played. In actuality the hardcourt season suffers as well because if you want to play the Olympics you have to skip a week on the US hardcourts and fly to China right before the US Open.
     
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    Me either. The squeeze on the clay season appears completely pointless. The one thing I did notice is that Sopot got dropped from the tour completely this year.
     
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  25. Moose Malloy

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    ^davis cup also affects the atp schedule. looking at their website, it seems like its not the same weeks every year. that could also be a factor with this being an Olympics year(there have been DC QF ties played in July in the past)

    also as far as the schedule being responsible for Nadal's blisters, last year he played 4 events in 5 weeks. Yeah its tougher this year, but it certainly wasn't ideal last year as well.

    last year he played Monte Carlo & Barcelona in consecutive weeks, than had a week off then played Hamburg & Rome back to back.
     
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    1000% agree with you...f** the NCAA I give it a sh**

    Nadal has point and he is right period after period
     
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  27. coloskier

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    The NCAA had absolutely nothing to do with this, otherwise it would happen every year. But, since it happens every 4 years, the Olympics is obviously to blame.
     
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    to counter argument will be grass court player is crying that courts slower.. it has help everybody because when Goran and Pete just finish point on Ace people said it is boring and now slow down people says too long..nothing is perfect but something should make sense in life then it is okay
     
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  29. coloskier

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    Yes, but what matters is who whined first. :)
     
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    This year NCAA was one week later that ussual, hence Miami had to be week later due to US TV network pressure, so clay season was shortened.
     
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    They should cut out some of the tournaments and move them to the grass season. It is as short as it is. If Nadal feels so pressured to do so well on clay to get to number one then he needs to be a more well rounded player and improve his skill on faster surfaces.
     
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    so were the NCAA's a week later in '04 as well? what a coincidence.
     
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    But thats not really true since grass is MEANT to be fast, just like clay is meant to be slow. They didn't decide to slow down grass because people said its boring, it was to appease the clay court crowd. Things like Wimbledon opening cans weeks in advance to slow down the balls are just pathetic - since it hurts the players who are skilled on that surface.

    How many times have you heard Fed complain about slow fast courts? Never. Nadal has complained publicly about how hard courts are still too fast and that we need more slow courts.
     
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    Yea, I agree...it's nuts. Wimbledon should be Wimbledon, not clay with some grass in top. It's absurd how slow it's been playing these last few years. And opening up the balls in advance is ridiculous as well.
     
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    your an idiot, make cincy, canada, miami, dubai, and the usopen in 5 weeks and tell either federer or djokovic to go win them all.....if you cant see how ridiculous this all is your a complete idiot
     
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    They wouldn't constantly whine and complain about it, that's for sure.

    Well Fed wouldn't, Djoker would retire with a sore eyebrow or something equally serious.
     
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    I don't know when was NCAA 4 years ago, but I still don't see how the moving the schedule FORWARD in April/May has anything to do with the Olympics, which is in August, with two GS tournaments in between that does not move their schedule.

    Scheduling of the clay season does not have anything to do with the grass in the Wimbledon, so I don't see your point.
     
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    Dude, the schedule change is not for basketball. ESPN dumped IW and Miami anyway so it doesn't make a difference to them. Plus why would they change the schedule every four years to accomodate a basketball event that happens every year?
     
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    In the end Nadal has to take some responsibity for this. Nobody forced him to play Barcelona. He should have sacrificed those points in the interest of giving himself the best shot at playing Rome and Hamburg.
     
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    Things are not looking too bad for clay courters in 2009. We'll have three masters series on clay and most likely a week separating them. Tiriac's interests will depend on it.

    Yes, Nadal's concerns make sense. This is all in light of the fact that a whole month is allotted for IW and Miami.
     
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    Come on, that would be like saying, "nobody forced Roddick to play US Open". Barcelona is obviously very important to Nadal. It is a biggest clay tournament in Spain and I think lots of people in Spain would be upset if he skips that one.
     
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    That's ridiculous. How can you equate the US Open and Barcelona? A better example would be Federer skipping Halle so he could rest for Wimbledon, which he did, last year. You got to make sacrifices in the best interests of your health and career.
     
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    I am not "equating" them. I am just saying that Barcelona might be as important to Nadal as US Open is to Roddick.
     
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    That is ridiculous.
     
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    I can guarantee you, Nadal would rather win one USO than 10 Barcelona's.
     
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    The real question here is, would he rather skip Barcelona or US Open.

    You Americans are so self centered. Why is so hard to understand that for a Spaniard, the biggest (clay) tournament in Spain might be as important as the biggest tournament in US to American.
     
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    You really lack a single clue about tennis.

    Seriously, comparing the biggest tournament in a country to a country with a home slam is ridiculous. Completely ridiculous.

    PS. I'd love to see the riot that would start if I posted a sentence with "You Serbians are so.... <insert negative attribute here>" (which, for the record, I would never do!).
     
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    Its not about countries, its about a Slam (the most prestigious, the most prize money) vs some tournament which isn't even a Masters.

    What you are saying is the equivalent of Fed skipping Wimbledon to play Basel.

    These people are pros, its a job to them. You have to manage your career and schedule professionally. Bad schedules and bad draws happen all the time.

    btw, what makes you think I'm American :)
     
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    Your rationale is flawed. You are saying that you aren't equating the two when in fact you are doing just that. It is understandable that Barcelona is a big tournament to Nadal, but wouldn't it make more sense to skip that tournament to be fully fit for Rome. He has more points to defend in Rome, and it it is a Master's event. I mean hell, Federer has skipped Basel several times, of course it isn't for the same reason as Nadal would have had to skip Barcelona. But I'm sure he could have come up with a fake excuse to skip.
     
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    Maybe you would not, but there are people who are doing that here.

    Anyway you are all missing a point here. Nadal obviously does not WANT to skip Barcelona. It is important to him. And saying "he should have skipped Barcelona" is just not right. Scheduling is messed up due to ATP shenanigans and that is not Nadal's fault, so he should not be forced to skip Barcelona.
     
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