Nadal: "I played terrible"

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    Rafa isn't too happy with his level right now, despite winning in 3 sets. I think it's a sign that he's going to get over his nerves and really step it up next match. I think he will peak as RG goes on, rather than bring his A game to beat low level opponents.
     
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    Nadal was made to play terrible by a qualie !!! The guys ran him ragged.

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    More like mind games. He wants people to be thinking "he calls that terrible?"

    Nadal was maybe at 60-70% in the match. It wasn't vintage, but it wasn't terrible either.
     
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    And as we know, Uncle Toni prefers Nadal to play down his form and chances just in case. Which is why it always seems strange to me that the greatest clay-courter ever starts to make these comments. Bit of an insult to his opponent too, who it seems gave him a reasonable run-out.
     
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    Yeah..mind games.
    Now is this real arrogance or what.:?
     
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    Nadal played a terrible,not just bad match. His body language was very nervous,he did not know mina,he got no support(but that's normal since he was playing a frenchie) and he had a high UE day. He made like 20 winners in 3 sets LOL and stayed 2 hours on court with a junior. Very very passive throughout. He would awaken once in a while and take control of the match only to get passive again. He did not feel his game yesterday and I think he was a bit weirded out by the atmoshpere. When he would actually have a great point,silence in the audience or very few applause. If I am not mistaken he did not even practice on Lenglen,only on PC.

    A weird moment was at the end of the match. Mina walked out in applause,Nadal changed his shirt and went to give a interview. Once the interview got underway you could almost hear the crickets. The crowd was dead silent and the only ones that got a bit excited were the autograph hounds. You could feel the coldness. Guess Rafa really isn't liked here. Not at all. It felt weird because when Rafa does his after match routines or gives a interview on court you can see or hear people in the crowd shouting to him and so on. Not here. Very silent.

    I wonder how things will be on Chatrier tomorrow :)
     
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    http://www.welovetennis.fr/roland-garros/23252-santoro-lance-un-appel-au-public
     
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    @CMM,you can't force people to like Nadal.

    I'm ok with it as long as they don't boo or try to disrupt his game.

    I just mentioned the after match moment because it felt so weird,so out of place.
     
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    Of course. That's the whole point.
     
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    Was Söderling or Nadal more liked in their meeting last year at RG? Who was in fact booed? I actually have no idea, I watched the match, but I can't remember.
     
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    Soderling. Nadal got less applause and even the commentator,McEnroe was surprised by the lack of support for him,especially in the last tiebreaker when he was within a couple of balls from elimination and reason would say that they would have wanted a fifth set(they would see more tennis). He got some applause when he walked off the field but that was about it.

    They wanted Nadal out,plain and simple. When they announced the result at the davydenko-verdasco match people cheered with happiness. He isn't liked here by the majority of crowd.
     
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    Well all I can say is thank heavens for Wimbledon because its a much different crowd. When I was there everyone was getting a fair share of encouragement and Rafa was much liked
     
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    If his opponents read his facebook page, he doesn't need to play mind games anymore ;)
     
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    Wind was a big factor in UE's today.

    If any of you actually watched the match.
     
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    Nadal playing a best of 5 under 2 hours is impossible, even if he were to triple bagel someone. That's 9 service games, each one would last about 14 minutes
     
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    You have to admit, even though he won convincingly a lot of the games were actually close ones..lots of deuces...I mean, c'mon..the first set nearly took an hour! ( I think it was about 56 mins...) technically speaking, Nadal wasn't playing as good as he should have...
     
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    cheese eaters.... eating all thath rubbery cheese... make squeak noises with their mouths just to disrup the spanish tennis guevara...
     
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    I would have to agree with Rafa to an extent. He did not exactly play his best, I think Mina actually hit more winners than Rafa, despite losing so convincingly.

    It means a lot of unforced errors from Mina. If Rafa plays like that against someone who won't be making those UE, it could tough for him.

    I still can't see anyone beating him. But I don't see him dominating like he did in 2008, he will likely lose a set or two.
     
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    I agree. But 2008 Nadal was literally god mode in RG, routing everyone. Even Djoker playing at his very best (had momentum after AO win) could only manage a single tie break. We shouldn't expect Nadal to play at this level, but winning RG would be good enough. He has a nice draw and apparently the courts have slowed a little, so he shouldn't have too much trouble until final.
     
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    What the hell is his problem? He won a routine 3 sets, as usual. Does it take to win with a triple bagel to satisfy him? He needs to lighten up. It's all uncle toni's fault.
     
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    To win 2,2,2 in straights and say you played "terrible" is pretty disrespectful to your opponent no matter how you slice it.

    Sure Nadal didnt say it with intentions of it being an insult and he may have felt like he didnt play his best but to say "terrible" and give up only 2 games a set is a slap in the face to Mina.

    Arrogant comment and he wonders why he dosnt get any love from the French (true the crowd is pretty brutal anyways but Nadals not doing anything to help his situation).
     
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    typical nadal response, trying to downplay his achievements and domination, he needs more sass to his repertoire
     
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    Thank God, Federer didn;t say that. This forum would be up in flames if he did.
     
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    Rafael Nadal:
    I played terrible against Minimonfils!

    You, Roger Federer and 123'912'918 others likes this.
     
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    Very disrespectful to his apponent. I don't want to hear his fans calling him being HUMBLE anymore. When I hear this kind of remark from Rafa, it reminds me of Serena.
     
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    Rafa had break points against him in every service game in the first set, and I don't think he hit a single winner in the third set. That is what Rafa means when he said he played "terrible".
     
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    Holmes looks at his friend's amused smile. He knows his friend to well, he doesnt always need to talk to let you know what he thinks, he just gives you a sweet smile.

    Holmes: What Watson? He played terribly because he didnt beat an 18 year old nobody 6-1 6-0 6-0? What part of his game was terrible?
    You know what it means when you win a match triple 6-2 and you say it was terrible. I don't think Mina would like to think about that Watson.
    And it can get a lot more terrible than this, you know.

    Quite honestly my friend, I just don't see Sir Rodge winning a match with that result and say I played terrible, ...what was the word to describe that? I forgot..
     
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    He hit 1 to bring up match-point :).
     
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    Wozniacki would be proud ;)
     
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    Ah, thanks :)
     
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    Arrogance? Fed fans have to calm down about finding excuses (no matter how extravagant) to bash Rafa!
    It has to do with his perfectionism and the fact he made way more unforced errors than usual in that match. This is what he felt about his own level that day, that's all.
    The score is because his opponent was fresh out of junior tour and ranked almost 700. It is not unreasonable to evaluate that against a more seasoned and higher ranked opponent, Rafa would have paid more dearly for all his UEs.
    It's his subjective impression though. I thought there were positives despite the errors. He stayed close to the baseline the whole match (didn't move back) and was phenomenally clutch on all of the BPs.
    As I said before Nadal is a perfectionist, he's harsh on himself, which is the opposite of arrogant actually. Arrogant is perpetual self-satisfied smugness and I'm sure noone associates such a description with Rafa!
     
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    But Mina did NOTHING against Rafa's service games. Rafa was 6 for 12 in break chances. Mina was 0 for 9! If anybody who should be down to himself, it's Mina.

    Nadal makes it sound like the outcome of the match was a failure and Mina was a hero. I don't accept that.
     
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    Yes, and Mina will regret not taking the chances he had.

    Rafa is saying that he played well below his best, which is true. If Nadal had been near his best, he wouldn't have given Mina so many break opportunities or struggle to hit any winners late in the match.
     
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    :lol: ........................
     
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    Given the difference in ranking (more than 600 spots) and experience, Rafa shouldn't have had so many BPs against him. I guess that's his perspective and you have to be ferociously biassed not to perceive the sanity/logic of it, period.
     
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    Coming from you,this sounds REALLY strange :) (and of course-hypocritical).
     
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    Did you watch that match? I'm sure you didn't. Rafa had to save 7 BPs in the first set and spend 2h10' on the court against #655.Mina 'd have taken one those many chances if he had more experience.The match was a little closer than the scoreline suggests.
     
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    Gotta love how people are commenting about Rafa's level of play when most haven't even watched the match.

    Here are Nadal's stats:

    0 aces to Mina's 3.
    12 BP to Mina's 9.
    Had trouble in many of his service games.
    Rafa had 20 winners in 3 sets to Mina's 21. And if I remember correctly Rafa has just a couple of winners in the third:oops:. Just as a point of reference,Rafa had 31 winners in his hanescu match,a two set match.
    Had 28 UE to Mina's 33.

    This are bad stats with a solid top30-top50 player. Mina was a junior and nr.600 something in the world. Nadal knows that he could have easily lost a set playing like this against a solid player(not even a top10 player). That's why he said he played terrible. I thought Mina played a very good game against a very very bad Rafa and still got beat 2,2 and 2. It would have been a slaughter if Rafa had been just mediocre yesterday,nevermind in good form.
    Nadal knows that he will have to step it up,he has always had nerves in his first round matches in RG,for some reason.

    I did expect trolling to happen on this thread so I am not that surprised by some of the reactions around here.
     
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    I'm a Fed fan and I don't bash Rafa, so stop generalizing.

    I agree that he did not play his best, his lack of winners, especially in the third were almost non-existant. Not saying the score line would have been even more one sided, but I don't he would have been on court as long if he stepped up and hit more winners.
     
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    Keep trying to defend Rafa all you want, that does not change how fans will judge his comments.

    When was the last time you hear a player dominant a match 2,2,2 and said he was playing terrible?

    I suppose Rafa expect Mina to say "Rafa played a TERRIBLE match". Haha
     
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    Rafa may have a lot of flaws, but arrogance is not one of them.
     
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    Zeballos is a more real test, but the first really serious is Bellucci (3 lefties with Verdasco:))
    Those will be more realistic indicators. I don't expect him to be tried until QF and SF.
     
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    Why don't you stop bashing Fed first you hypocrite.
     
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    TMF=fans ? :lol:
     
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    Yes I did. But what are you trying to tell me? Rafa had history of saving BP at a very high %. In this match he's 100%(9 for 9). I call that great, not TERRIBLE. Plus he breaks Mina 50% of the time(6 for 12). Again, that pretty good, not TERRIBLE. If Rafa is so unhappy with the win, then Mina might as well retire from tennis at once!!
     
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    Some of his flaws are worse than arrogance!
     
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    I meant the posters making a big issue out of this happen to be rabid Fed fans (TMF for instance). I didn't mean to imply that all Fed fans would do it.
    I agree with you. At the same time, why would you have to play a perfect match against a weaker opponent? Keep your best for when you really need it as it's unlikely you can produce your very best at every single match anyway. In that sense, I feel Rafa is a little too hard on himself. He doesn't need 90 mindboggling winners to beat someone like Mina. Brad Gilbert says that Agassi was hindering his own performance by thinking he had to be perfect every match (thus put too much pressure on himself). He told Agassi: who cares about being perfect? The only thing required is to beat that 1 guy across the net and he's not perfect either.
     
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    Again,did you actually watch the match or are you just looking at the numbers?

    A couple of BP here and there and Nadal could have been in the unenviable position to lose maybe a set to nr.600 something in the world. On clay. Just think about that for a sec.

    Nadal's balls weren't heavy enough,he rarely had the initiative(he looked kinda bored out there) and was a bit surprised by mina in the start. Rafa had just 20 winners in three sets and a boatload of UE's. For Rafa's high percentage game(lots of spin) that means you played bad,especially since this is on clay.

    Nadal did not judge his game according to the opponent when this is clay and mina is a junior. He knew that he could have taken whatever gianni would have thrown at him. He judged how he played in order to win over this junior. Considering the spent two and a half hours on court,hit 20 winners versus 28 UE in three sets,one could say that this was a ****ty match for him. It would have been bad against a solid top50 guy,but against a junior,it was,how Rafa said,"terrible".
     
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