Nadal: Indoor tennis is not real tennis

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  1. zagor

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    Glad I have your blessing to do so.

    I responded to the title of the thread and the tendency Nadal fans have regarding his statements.

    Now that hurt, why are you so mean Clarky?
     
  2. Clarky21

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    Nah,I am not mean at all,dude. I am pretty chill in real life. :)
     
  3. zagor

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    I'll take your word for it :).

    OK, although it pains me very much to admit that I was wrong on the internet (as we all know internet is serious business), in this case I jumped the gun and was wrong ( I still don't know what exactly Nadal said here because as I said I don't understand French).
     
  4. sbengte

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    Way to embarrass the true Nadal fans by saying that.
    Wait for someone to point out now that even Davy and Delpo have beaten Fed at the WTF and Nadal got bagelled by a semi retired grandpa Fed last year :(
     
  5. SQA333

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    Great post.

    Rafa thriving better in windy conditions outdoors while sucking indoors only proves the obvious: he relies mostly on UFEs. No secret. When someone's on fire, like Delpo, Rosol, Soderling or Davy, he's gone.
     
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    I see what you did there. You took away everyones best response. ;)
     
  7. Romismak

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    Few years ago i would agree with you, but i think not so much lately- i mean 2012-11 not lately - he is out lately:D

    But Rafa is more agressive than he was, he is capable of dominating with his FH in rallies and going for winners, also he can help himself with some service winners - but my point was indoor conditions - perfect conditions while outdoor condition - imperfect

    Basically anybody talented or player with weapon - big FH, big serve - is better in perfect indoor conditions

    That means opponents of Rafa are for example 50% better indoors than outdoors, while Rafa doesn´t benefits so much - he is better outdoors, because of my points - super stamina-physicallity - that means he can play in heat, humidity so on - when other guys are tired, he is ,,fresh,, and also vs wind he is better than 99% of the tour, because his FH topspin is super safe shot even with pace and dictating with it.
     
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    Fed fans are all butthurt because the Clay GOAT has done things that their hero couldn't.

    * Olympic gold medal in singles
    * first to hold slams on clay/grass/hard at the same time when he won 2009 AO.
    * First to win FO/Wimby/USO in the same year since the US Open went permanently to hard courts.
    * won 2 Channel slams
    * undefeated in Davis Cup singles
    * only man to ever win 8 consecutive of any event(Monaco)
    * only man to ever win 2 winning streaks of at least 3 at a single slam(05-08 FO, 10-12 FO).
     
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    Seriously, the only thing worthy in that list is the Olympic Gold. Everything else seems like trivia material.
     
  10. smoledman

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    The same could be said about all of Fed's GS final/semis/quarters streaks. Useless stats.
     
  11. nikdom

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    Sure. You need to know just one number - 17. The day your boy can reach or exceed RF's GS total, come back and then all these other useless trivia will put him over Roger. Until then, its just that - trivia.
     
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  12. smoledman

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    Is that in millimeters?:)
     
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    No, your IQ has no units, its just a double digit number :)
     
  14. Crisstti

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    Well, I don't speak any French either, but one can see, from it being in brackets and in cursive, that it's meant to be a comment from the writer. Why he says that's what Nadal means, who knows, but the thing is there's no quote.
     
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    not that it really matters, but... ever heard about that sampras guy ?
     
  16. tennissportsrog

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    indoor and fast surface is not really tennis for ******.
     
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    This post is true, indoor is better for servers and Rafa gains little advantage from these conditions compared to his opponents. I know from playing a lot indoors and a lot outdoor tennis that there is a big difference. Guys that give me trouble with big serves and quick attack tennis indoors are not nearly as effective once we go outside.

    Tennis was meant to be played outdoors and I agree that indoors is artificial tennis.
     
  18. Huanita99

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    hm, little piggy can play on clay (not the blue one tho). I'm drooling over Nole destroying Rafa at RG and ending his career. :twisted:
     
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    Ah, but no. It's really been the high point of his distinguished indoor career up till now--only time in four attempts that he took a set off Federer, so you can be sure that the true Rafa fan will forever cherish this. It's up there with his seven RG's and 8 consecutive MC's as the achievements the Vamos Brigade are the most proud of. :)
     
  20. merlinpinpin

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    Ah, but that was on grass, no?

    And I guess grasscourt tennis isn't real tennis, no?
     
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    as well getting wrong the number of players who have *2 winning streaks of at least 3 at a single slam.

    you also got wrong rafa being *undefeated in Davis Cup singles, as he lost his debut davis cup singles match in 2004. :oops:
     
  22. tennissportsrog

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    And, Nadal is champ of indoor clay. lol.
     
  23. Vrad

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    I was re-reading my Bible, Koran, Torah, Gita, and nowhere does it say that tennis was meant to be played outdoors. Are you sure about that?

    Smh. It's a freaking man made sport with arbitrary man-made rules. It wasn't "meant" to do anything.
     
  24. tlm

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    Thats funny because in my bible it said that tennis was meant to be played outdoors.
     
  25. sureshs

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    No sport is meant to be played indoors. Sports satisfies the primal human need to be with Nature and behave like animals. It needs to be done outdoors.
     
  26. 90's Clay

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    Is playing on clay, "normal?" Playing tennis indoors seems more normal to me then playing on clay. Grass, hard courts, carpet seem normal.

    How often do you walk around and find grounds that are made of clay?
     
  27. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    ye, well, it is 'lawn tennis', technically, not 'red dirt tennis'..
     
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    Tennis would be a provincial English sport like cricket if it were still only played on grass.
     
  29. sureshs

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    Cricket is not a provincial sport
     
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    I mean shiiiiiii.....the hard courts even hard anymore?!?!? Decoturf, Plexicushion etc. I mean it ain't like the courts in my hood!! Rock solid con-freakin-crete!
     
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    Basketball and Hockey don't seem to be that way.
     
  32. Vrad

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    Even American football, since most US stadiums are domes now. Badminton, tennis, boxing, UFC, swimming...the list goes on.

    The kind of nonsense some people are coming up with here to justify a statement which Nadal may not even have made (might just be a misinterpretation by the journalist) is hilarious.
     
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    This! Clay is the most unnatural surface in existence. At least hard courts can be justified because they represent a natural surface in urban areas. In fact, in cities, most sports are played on concrete.

    Who the hell lives and plays on clay naturally?
     
  34. Clarky21

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    Clay is unnatural but hardcourts aren't? Are you for real?
     
  35. Crisstti

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    Lol, ridiculous, no?
     
  36. swordtennis

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    Bingo was his name oh.
    Nadal is who he is a phenom on one hand not so much on the other.
    You kinda knew the tolerance and spark would be harder and harder to maintain.
    That style. Cmon haf the year it is a mysterious injury mystery short short balls less power stiff.
    The other half phenom.
    Just make it year half clay and half real grass court conditions. Might be kinda cool.
     
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    I agree this is one of the dumbest posts of all time. Clay is not natural but concrete is, this is hilarious.
     
  38. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    indeed..

    this isn't strictly on topic, but I thought you and senti and co might enjoy it..

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    ^^

    heh, ferrer & pakistan ? Pakistan team is synonymous with talent , quite a bit of it wasted, not with hardwork ...

    tsonga to bangla ? nah. tsonga has defeated all of the top 4 in a slam - murray/djok/nadal @ the AO & fed at wimbledon.
     
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    dont confuse sport with your camping expeditions with your friends.
     
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    apparently the only real tennis is long rallies and longer matches and the only real surface is outdoors, with slow courts and high bounces.

    got it.
     
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    If indoor tennis is not real tennis then why did Rafa enter and play an indoor tennis tournament?

    I bet he thinks that title he just won is real.

    Total whiny hypocrite. Yet another reason not to respect him.
     
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    Well, #1 as my posts make clear, I consider the concept of "natural" surfaces in manmade sports, with arbitrary manmade rules ridiculous to begin with.

    My response was to sureshs comment that sports are naturally supposed to be played outdoors because of our need to get in touch with our primal side. An idea which I think is insane, but if we accept that logic, grass could be considered most natural, because humans originally lived in rural areas with grassy fields. However, the next step was urbanization which led to playing sports on concrete. E.g. Basketball in NYC, cricket in Mumbai, etc.

    Nowhere does clay fit into this picture. (To repeat, I think the original premise itself is flawed, but if we play along with the ridiculous premise, one could easily argue that hard courts are a more natural outgrowth of human growth, than clay).
     
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    Yep. Nope. Water is the most natural environment. Humans totally naturally depend of water. Therefore, no sport should be played off water. Ergo, tennis has to be played deep in the ocean. (pools are NOT natural!):evil:
     
  47. Tropikal_Knights

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    Actually Nadal is not natural..........or real...........hint hint
     
  48. tennissportsrog

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    hardcourt is not true tennis. no?
     
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    I don't know why most of you are being so clever and sarcastic. Of course indoor tennis is not real tennis. I can name dozens of reasons why:
    1. You are playing in an artificial environment built with artificial materials and breathing air from a ventilation system manufactured from you guessed it artificial materials. If you play at a club, you're probably greeted by a receptionist who gives you an artificial smile to top it all of.
    2. Ok for real now... the ball barely bounces indoors and if it's not warm enough it will feel really weird. I can never get a good bounce indoors and it messes up my timing a lot.
    3. Don't get me started about lighting. Our eyes are designed to see objects with natural light. With the bad lighting indoors and the nets around you, it really messes up my depth perception and affects my game a lot.
    4. Noise is trapped indoors but gets dispersed outdoors.

    I would play on any surface outdoors and enjoy it way more than indoors. And before you bash Rafa for simply stating the obvious, please show us a video of your 11 grand slams. I think I missed them.
     
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    I bet if rafa/**** could play a major or WTF on the moon he'd be ok with that..eh ?..:twisted:

    oh yes :neutral: that would be ok, that would be 'real tennis' imagine top spinners going 3 miles up in the air (almost anyway).."I hit to rogers backhand on this moon major and win, no ?"

    imagine the large Quantitys of WIN in that lunar sector..(they thought the high bounce/spin routine at Roland Garros was difficult..

    in the new Lunar major that Captain Vamos has suddenly decided is 'real tennis'..he will be able to line up all his bottles..his oxygen bottles, that is.

    but please inform any spectators watching the Lunar major to be careful, as false boobs might burst in the strange lunar atmosphere...and any wigs the blokes have on might float off, if not properly fitted on. :neutral:
     

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