Nadal interview after indian wells win over fed

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  1. Nitish

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    Excerpts from the interview

    Not for the first time, Nadal called Federer the greatest player of all time when speaking to the crowd. In the news conference, he was challenged on this, because the stats say that he has now beaten the man he calls the greatest 19 times out of 29.

    “That’s just a fact, a positive fact for me,” he said with smile. “But it doesn’t change that he has much more tournament victories than me. He has more Grand Slams than me. In Masters 1000 series, we are close.”
    In fact, they have won the same number of Masters titles on the ATP tour.

    “Same? Then more than close,” Nadal said with a laugh when he was told. “So that means his career of today is better than mine, and that’s the real thing. And if I think I am better than him because I beat him, I think, 19 against 10, I will be very stupid and very arrogant. I think this is not the case.”


    http://msn.foxsports.com/tennis/story/Nadal-dominates-Federer-at-Indian-Wells-031413

    Do you really think nadal considers federer to be greatest ever?
    he seems genuine
     
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  2. Big_Dangerous

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    There's an argument you can make for either guy as best player of all time.

    For Fed, he has the slams, and all the other records, but his greatest rivals owns him.

    For Nadal, he doesn't have as many slams as Fed or as many weeks @ #1, but he has the head to head, the grand slam head to head, and the head to head on hard courts.
     
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  3. Rogael Naderer

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    Is this a match result?
     
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  4. forzamilan90

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    It irks me that you say greatest rivals own him...there's Nadal...and then who else exactly that is a major hurdle and has been throughtout his careee on a macro scale?
     
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    Whilst it sometimes urks me that Nadal keeps saying Fed is the greatest, win or lose, I think he genuinely believes that Fed is indeed the GOAT or at the very least a greater player than he is. Nevertheless, great bolded quote from Rafa- this way in further GOAT discussion threads, if anyone mentions the H2H, we can just copy that one line.
     
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    Spoilers

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  7. Nitish

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    sorry wrong forum can i delete the thread
     
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  8. Bobby Jr

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    :lol::lol::lol::lol:

    After all the threads, discussions, points, counter-points and reasoning the only thing that is for sure is that only an argument driven by a special combination of low IQ reasoning combined with partisan myopia would result in the conclusion that Nadal is the greater player of the two.
     
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    WHAT!?!? This is complete BS! Nadal has no idea what he is talking about. He should read TTW threads more often and listen to the basement experts here. They know exactly whats up, because seeing an ATP event once 15 years ago and watching Youtube tennis videos gives one perfect perspective on the world of professional tennis.
     
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    That's not very nice from Nadal, calling a number of Nadal and Sampras fans stupid :)

    That said, these constant GOAT debates on TW are getting annoying, if you have to compare them (to each other or past tennis greats) wait until they both hang up their racquet.
     
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  11. heninfan99

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    I think he's sincere. I love how classy these two are towards each other. I'm also very impressed with his English skills.
     
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  12. Flash O'Groove

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    It is so humble from Rafa to call the player he owns the most the GOAT!
     
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    Nadal has no respect for Federer and that is why he wins. Same for Berdych and Djokovic. And certainly not the case for Stan.
     
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    Always baffled on why a guy with a 600k watch is called humble.

    He is definitely not a jerk but humble maybe more of the personoa that he has.
     
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    The problem isn't that Nadal owns the H2H. If Nadal is the better player and simply beats him more, then that's just how it is. The problem is that Federer in fact is the better player. He should be ahead of Nadal in H2H, but when he plays against him, he just folds. He gets a weak scared look on his face. That's the problem folks.

    *Not counting yesterday, since he clearly had back problems.*
     
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  16. Relinquis

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    he's paid to wear that... the same way he is paid to wear the clothes he does on court and is paid to use the racquet he uses...

    how is that relevant to being, or not being, humble?
     
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    Roger is the GOAT.
     
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    Rafa needs to close the gap in total slams, and win some more off of clay, IMO, to strengthen his argument.

    As of now, H2H isn't enough to offset Federer's career as a whole. But, with the H2H, if he can close the gap and win another Wimbledon or Hard court slam or two, he's got a great argument.
     
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    Nadal's spent more weeks at #2 than he has at #1. Can't be the goat if you've spent most of your career being second best in the rankings.
     
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  20. Mike Sams

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    Nadal's merits over Federer are: 19-10 h2h, many more clay Slams and Masters titles.

    Federer's merits over Nadal are: many more weeks at #1, many more hardcourt Slams and Masters titles, many more Grass Slam titles.

    What hurts Nadal in the argument specifically is just how long he's spent his career being second best in the rankings.
     
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    Agreed.

    I think though part of the reason why Nadal rates Federer so highly is because of the struggles he has gone through. Nadal is no idiot, he knows hes one of the best ever, and because he knows how much he has struggled to battle injuries and play at a high level for so long without getting worn out, he has an extra respect for Federer
     
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  22. Nitish

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    Federer also respects nadal for what he has achieved.They both seem to have mutual respect for each other despite their differences.
     
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  23. gold2nadal

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    Nadal and Uncle Tonic have always been great at taking the mickey out of Federer and his fans. Its a thing of beauty, and it helps Nadal psychologically too. Although in this quote he doesn't say Federer is the greatest. He simply says that it would be stupid and arrogant to think he is better than Federer. That doesn't take into account the untouchable Laver or the Wimbledon/US Open GOAT Sampras, or Borg for that matter.
     
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    Murray is also learning fast. He too is proclaiming Nadal as the greatest ever. Its a great idea and its good to see its catching on. Djokovic has also proclaimed it.
     
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  25. Nitish

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    Yes he does Not for the first time, Nadal called Federer the greatest player of all time when speaking to the crowd
     
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  26. tennis_pro

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    I give it 30 minutes and you'll be flooded with posts of interviews which says Nadal thinks Federer is the GOAT.

    Just check the "100 greatest tennis players of all time" - Nadal states "probably the best of the history and probably the best of the history on grass too" - direct quote.


    Not saying that it means anything. Djokovic has claimed before that Nadal is the GOAT despite laying 7 straight beatdowns on him.
     
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    Like I said, "in this quote". I was addressing the exact quote, not any other. If you want to make a thread about all previous quotes, then that's a different topic.

    The fact is, the more you talk up a player the more of an underdog you become. That is what Nadal's life is built around. The day he stops feeling like he's got to prove something is the day he walks away from tennis. The more he talks up Djokvoic, Federer and Murray, the better place he's at mentally.
     
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    well said...it is kind of funny though

    nadal: "he's the greatest player ever"

    reporter: "you just beat him 6-4 6-2"

    nadal: "amazing, no?....i have no idea how this happened"

    reporter: "you've done it before..many times..."

    nadal: "this is the mystery, no?"
     
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  29. Crisstti

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    I cannot see any of the quotes in the article linked :confused:

    Anyway, as to the question, I'm not quite sure how much he believes it. He probably does, but I don't think he'd be saying he himself is the goat if he had more slams.

    I think he sells himself short though.

    It always baffles me that people see anything contradictory there.
     
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    http://metro.co.uk/2011/09/11/andy-murray-loses-to-greatest-ever-rafael-nadal-at-us-open-152015/

     
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  31. Crisstti

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    That idea seems contradictory with Fed fans claiming the h2h cannot hurt Fed because getting to the final and losing it is better than not reaching it. Would Nadal's case be better had he spent more time in, say, number 3 than two?.

    Lol, I really don't know what you (and the other Fed fans being somehow upset at Nadal saying this) would want him to say. Do you think there's something wrong with what he's saying?. Because I somehow have the impression you guys think Fed is indeed the goat and that Nadal beating him doesn't prove otherwise... which is what Rafa is saying.
     
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    Its strange how Federer fans at MTF are quoting the same thing and using it as "proof" of Federer's greatness, while Federer fans here don't like the quote lol.
     
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  33. moonballs

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    I believe Rafa is sincere. He knows how hard it is to get the 17 slams Fed managed to get because of the Soderling and Rosol experiences.
     
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  35. Towser83

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    the H2H is even on HC for the moment.

    Also I think you can make a case for Federer not being GOAT (I don't think anyone is) you could even make a case for Nadal being better than Fed, but I don't see how you can make the case for Nadal being GOAT. His GOAT claim is based on him beating Federer (who is 17 time slam champ) so many times. The idea is Nadal owns the GOAT so he must be the GOAT! But then that means Fed is not the GOAT, so why is Nadal having a 19-10 H2H so important when sudden;y you say Federer is not the greatest? Take fed out of the picture for a second and Nadal is an 11 slam champ who still has a way to go. You can't dimiss Federer but somehow still use him to bolster Nadal's standing
     
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  36. Crisstti

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    Nadal's claim (to something non-existent, but whatever) is not based on that, I don't think so.
     
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  37. NadalAgassi

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    While I dont think Nadal at this point is the GOAT, for those who argued it his claims would be:

    -Undisputed greatest ever clay courter hands down.
    -On clay the best player ever on any surface (aka better on clay than anyone is on clay, grass, or hards)
    -Multiple slams on all 3 major surfaces, the only one in history to do so.
    -Winning the biggest hard court, clay court, and grass court event in the same year, thus far the only one in history to do so.
     
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  38. Towser83

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    I don't see what it is then.

    But what I mean is the reasoning goes

    Bunch of people decide Federer is the GOAT. Second bunch of people decide Nadal owns Federer so therefore he is GOAT.

    Dealing with these claims



    1. I don't think being the best on a single surface is enough to be GOAT (though as I said I don't believe there is a GOAT)

    2. Nadal isn't the only one in history to win multiple slams on grass, hard and clay - Wilander did it.

    3. Winning all surface slams in the same year is great but not enough to outrank every other achievement in tennis.
     
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  39. Povl Carstensen

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    Yes, Nadal is not in contention for goat, if he was, the H2H would come into play.

    No it would be even worse.
     
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    Well, more or less the same as with any other goat really. Many titles, including masters, slams... I guess what you mean though is something that could be used to claim he's better than the other goats. I've have to refer to what NadalAgassi posted. And add h2h against all main opponents (I don't think the claim would be based on that but it'd be a part, and not considering just Fed), masters, and winning %.

    I agree btw that none of that is enough to outrank the achievements of the other great players, but then I don't think anyone's are.
     
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    Then how come he failed to win RG for 5 consecutive years?

    The more you emphasize Nadal's achievements on ONE surface, the more it highlights Fed's achievements on TWO surfaces because he won 5 consecutive titles on both USO and Wimbledon.
     
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    Nadal says all that and still Fed fans hate him. Go figure.
     
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    Rafa is too much in awe of Fed. If he wasn't beating Fed so consistently it would bug me. :twisted:
     
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    Winning percentage is probably the best thing Nadal has going for him, also if he ends up with the greatest longevity.

    i think lavers 2 calendar slams and the record for the most slams are the single biggest claims to be goat but i still don't agree with the idea of a goat. but for me laver and Federer have the best cases, Nadal doesn't have a case yet but might do one day.
     
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    So Federer isn't the greatest, but then why do Nadal's victories over Federer make Nadal the greatest? Defeating Federer is the pinnacle of tennis apparently even though Federer is not the greatest.
    To beat Federer at Monte Carlo Masters 2x is greater than winning Wimbledon. Okay.

    Lemme see 9 more wins in the head to head is the equivalent of 6 of a grand slams. So each victory over Federer is valued at .66 grandslams.
    Nadal just won the equivalent of 66% of a grand slam the day before yesterday.... haha alright.
     
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  46. Bobby Jr

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    The metrics by which players are judged historically basically go in rough order...

    1. calendar slam achieved
    2. total majors won
    3 career slam achieved
    4. weeks at #1.
    5. consecutive weeks at #1
    6. year ending #1...

    (a couple can be rearranged as however suits your argument).

    You have to get down to about number 10 in any credible list before Nadal has a metric over Federer that matters in historical respect terms - which is the key thing here. How will they be remembered in 5, 10, 20 years time?

    I'd go as far as saying simply attempting to argue the Nadal is greater than Federer case (at this stage) merely makes it easy to identify who is a partisan hack, knows less about tennis than they think or, in some cases, simply a fool.
     
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  47. Cesc Fabregas

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    Wrong Thread.
     
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    Rafa wasn't trying to make an argument for being better. Did you miss that part?
     
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    Nadal is right. What defines you as the greater player, is not the h2h against a player...
     
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    Everybody knows that Federer is probably the greatest ever player and that Nadal still has a lot to do before catching up.

    Even hardcore Rafa fans know it deep down, but for some reason they feel the need to defend a man who doesn't even agree with them.
     
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