Nadal is 19-24 vs top 10 players on hard courts since March 2005

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  1. JennyS

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    Nadal vs top 10 players on hard since March 2005: 19-24

    Federer vs top 10 players on clay since April 2005 13-10 (11-1 against top 10 players not named Nadal)
     
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  2. Driver's Seat

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    Thats not a big surprise. Nadal is not a great HC player. His game just doesnt translate as well on hardcourts as it does grass and clay. Never has
     
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  3. CMM

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    You're unbelievable.
     
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  4. mandy01

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    I dont get your stats.Did you count Roger's losses to Murray,Djokovic and DP?
     
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  5. JennyS

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    Nadal vs top 10 players on grass: 4-2
     
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    I only counted Roger's losses on CLAY. Djokovic is the only top 10 player other than Nadal to beat Federer on clay (1-2 overall).
     
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    It's not a secret that Fed is an all-time great (Top 10 Open Era) on clay and Nadal is not (not in the Top 10 Open era).
     
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    So Federer's 1 RG title is worth more than all 4 of Nadal's!:-?
     
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    oh c'mon, it was pretty evident that he meant nadal's not top 10 in HC
     
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    Oh..yes..LOL...sorry.:)
     
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  11. JoshDragon

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    Federer is five years older than Nadal. Let's see how many hard court grand slams Nadal has in 5 years.
     
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    Nadal will never win anymore Majors, other than clay.
     
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  13. kraggy

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    While it quite clear that Fed is a better competitor on clay than Nadal on hard, what remains to be seen is whether the time periods of comparison are fair.

    Nadal seemed like he was getting better and better and one would have suspected that 2009-2012 or so would be his best years somewhat akin to 2005-2007 for Federer. Of course, post injury his performance has taken a nosedive. If Nadal and Fed retire around the same time, it would lend credence to using 2005-2009 as a comparison period.
     
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  14. nCode2010

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    Facts seem to bother you a lot.
     
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  15. Davy_for _GOAT

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    He won't win any more HC slams for sure. He can pick up another Wimbledon with some luck.
     
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  16. TMF

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    Even though Roger is nearly 5 years older, you have to consider Nadal joined the ATP tour at an earlier age. Plus, there’s 2 GS in hardcourt but only 1 clay per year.

    Expect Nadal to reach the final for 4 consecutive years....good luck!
     
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    Nadal is 1-7 vs. Top-10 players on hard courts since March 2009, I think. (Beat Tsonga, Lost to:Djokovic, Djokovic, del Potro, del Potro, Davydenko, Davydenko, and Soderling)
     
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    So then he was 18 - 17 against top 10ers on HC before his injury. Not bad for a mans worst surface. Especially since he was so inconsistent on HC in 05 and 06
     
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    True, but he was only injured for about 3 of those matches. It's all in his head now... I'm not denying he was once tthhe best in the world, but he isnt now and I doubt he will be again.
     
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    Clayman - you don't get to make excuses(pre-injury/post-injury). Fact is everyone has figured Rafa out and he's toast.
     
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  21. TMF

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    He’s 1-10 against the top ten in the last 11 meetings. You have to beat the big boys to win a slam, there’s no free pass!
     
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  22. JennyS

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    Unless you're Andre Agassi at the 2003 Australian Open:p
     
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    Im not making excuses.
    I know Nadal is not one of the top 5 players in the world right now, but that doesnt mean hes been figured out.

    If someone isnt playing their best tennis, it doesnt mean theve been figured out.

    Nadal is healthy now, he needs to find his game.
     
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    i'm betting maybe one more. knees are toast. he's turning into muster - soon to be playing on clay only
     
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    Excuse me for being rude, but are you the ATP Shark's spouse or daughter?
     
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    that is amazing.

    Thank god for his bad matchup with Nadal though. Fed would have like 21 slams with 3 calendar slams
     
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  27. Jchurch

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    That is crazy to think of. He would have had

    1. 21 Slams
    2. 2 consecutive calender Slams
    3. 11 Consecutive Slams

    Absolutely insane
     
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  28. TMF

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    Without rafa, who’s the greatest clay courter since borg, Roger would leave Laver in the dust.
     
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    Yes, the real truth of the matter is that Rafa has kept Roger from running away with the GOAT title. That's IT>
     
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  30. JennyS

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    without Nadal, Federer would have up to 5 French Opens
    have won in 2008
    7 straight Wimbledons
    4 Australian Opens
    6 straight year end #1's.
     
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    Roger was not playing well at all at the 2008 French. He would have lost to the in form Djokovic in the final.
     
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  32. JennyS

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    That is a very strong possibility. I say he wins in 2005 over Puerta, 2006 over Ljubicic and 2007 over Djokovic though.
     
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  33. JennyS

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    BTW, Rafa's numbers against the top 10 on clay have been remarkable since 2005:

    Nadal vs the top 10 on clay, 2005-present:
    34-3

    sets:
    81-19
     
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    Yes without a doubt. Actually I doubt Ljubicic even makes the 2006 final but it doesnt matter who does really.
     
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  35. JennyS

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    Federer on grass vs the top 10, 2003-present:

    10-1

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    31-12
     
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  36. TheFifthSet

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    21 slams is a bit presumptuous . . . you're basically handing Federer 6 matches? How do you know he would've beaten the player who was beaten by Nadal? It's easy to say so and so would win x number of slams if you take their top rival out of the equation.
     
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  37. TheFifthSet

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    It's not as if Laver had any rivals. Nobody. Not even that guy that beat him like 80-odd times in his career. Or the fact that he was deprived of the opportunity to play slams for much of his career.
     
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