Nadal is too one dimensional to beat Djokovich, yes, even on clay!

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  1. Tennis_Maestro

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    I honestly believe Djokovich has both the game and tennis brain to out wit against Nadal's heavy topspin.

    Moya proved Nadal finds it extremely uncomfortable when made to play in front of the service line (picking up drop shots etc) and i believe Djokovich has the sense of tennis mind to know exactly how to combat Nadal. He will take Nadal's groundstrokes as soon as they go on the rise. (Almost on the half volley - So they don't spin away from him)

    Hopefully this will be the case, and the final will be competed between 2 "tennis players" in Federer and Djokovich.
     
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  2. RafaN RichardG

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    i think he can beat nadal, but i dont really like the way you put it.
    nadal IS a "tennis player", and it wont be as easy as you say. nadal is the favorite in that match regardless.
    he lost to nadal easily on clay 2-6, 3-6 at the Inter****onali BNL d'Italia just a few weeks ago
    in 5 sets nadal is probably even better
    i think djokovic is capable of it, but so far hes done nothing to show that he'll pull through
     
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  3. arnz

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    Well they've played 4 times, the two times on clay werent even close as Nadal demolished him. Even on hard court, they're even at one a piece.
     
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    doy ou not remember rome this year?
     
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    May be to you, but in my eyes, he's a ball basher, hence why he has barely any success on any surfaces faster than clay. (He had an easy draw in Wimbledon last year)
     
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    Go away troll !
     
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    Troll? Can no one have an opinion around here? :-D Idiot.
     
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    I've been seeing him play over the course of this season and to me his game has very much matured. It looked as if he was even holding back slightly in his quarter final today. Watching him play is reminding me of young 20/21 yr old Federer.
     
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    Your title is so misleading, because not only has Nadal got the game to beat djokovic on clay, but he already has, twice in fact. I dont deny that Djokovich is a great player, but change your title
     
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    its never easy to make it to a grand slam final
    especially if you're too "one dimensional" to play on anything but clay
     
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    Its misleading now, and i can understand that, considering the unquestionable record Nadal has on clay and especially the French Open.

    However, after the 4/5 set thriller on Friday you might not be finding it as misleading as you do now. ;)

    PS: If Nadal comes through, i'll take my hat off and edit the title.
     
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    I will bet you right now your favorite racquet vs my fav racquet that Nadal will win. Brand new racquet from TW!!! Your choice if he wins, my choice if nadal wins. Put up or shut up LOL
     
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  13. Tennis_Maestro

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    Okay. I'll put up my Head Flexpoint Prestige Mid Plus. £120 in most shops i got it for £100.

    What's yours? :confused:
     
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    Moya proved what? He lost like 6-4 6-3 6-0. Nadal is rolling- even better than Federer. I agree that Djokovic can beat Nadal- just not on clay, and not this week.
     
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    Pick a racquet from TW's line up thats the same value. Your racquet is used, so that diminishes its value. Can't you put up the cash for a brand new one? LOL I want a brand new racquet
     
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    Completely out of context,and I'm sorry,but why on earth is the word "Internationali" censored????!!!!!???????:confused:
     
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    Well, i have 4 as i play competetively at county level right now, 2 from which are practically brand new (just need manufacturers strings taken out) and the other two i have both used, both strung at different tensions.

    What does TW stand for btw? Tennis Wilson?:confused:
     
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    The single dimensionality of Nads' game may be what makes him so unbeatable on clay. He does one thing and does it better than anybody else in the world, he plays defense on clay. He has the wheels to get into postion, he has the topspin that keeps the ball deep and inside the lines, and he has the mental single mindedness (one dimension?) to stay out there as long as it takes for the other guy to miss, wear down, lose interest, collapse, whatever.
     
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    Look at the top of the page.....you cannot be serious...
     
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    Quit going by the blimming score! Did you not watch the match? In some rallies when Moya mixed it up with drop shots and slices, Nadal struggled! and if Moya could volley as good as he hits his forehand he would have definetely one atleast a set.

    Djokovich has a very good touch! He's 10 times the volleyier Moya is and can also hit from the back of the court.
     
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    That's weak. If you really believe in the Joker, you'll quit this board forever if Nadal wins.
     
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  22. Tennis_Maestro

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    Okay, i shall have a look at what they have on offer..
     
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    you wrote it wrong. in italian it's "interna Zionali" probably "na zi" is censored.
     
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    Djokovic may have the ability to beat Nadal but maybe not in this year french open. Nadal is not one dimensional btw. He able to create a lot of angle shots, retrieve a lot of balls ,move well on clay court and also able to play well close to net too if u notice that in the match with hewitt. And these days, he has started to slice the balls more often too, not just hitting or striking behind the baseline.

    Moreover his mental is tough, the desire to win :)



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    Specially with his 3 hardcourt master series titles. Riiiiiight.
     
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    Notice i mentioned the word "barely"
     
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    Barely would be a couple of QF in the MS shields. Not three titles.
    It's like saying Rios barely won anything on clay cause he ONLY HAS 3 clay MS titles.

    Safin has two hardcourts MS titles (Madrid-Toronto). And only two indoor carpet MS titles (Paris, twice). Apparently he can BARELY win anything on those surfaces
     
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    I want a Gamma Big Bubba!!! ;)
     
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    Alright, i don't think you quite understand where i'm coming from here. So let me explain again. When i say "barely" i am taking in to great consideration Nadal's success on clay and comparing it to that of his success on other surfaces. Now compared to howmany titles he's won on clay, he REALLY HAS won barely anything on other surfaces.

    Now do you understand?

    Actually let me rephrase that.

    Its why he has not "dominated" on any surfaces other than clay.

    He'll never be an all rounder. (i.e. Andre Aggasi, Pete Sampras, Roger Federer, Bjorn Bjorg, John Mcenroe etc etc)
     
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    Nadal in three.... and then Djokovic will tell us why he was the better player but lost for some reason.
     
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    Come again?
     
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    Nadal is too fast on clay for Dok. No way Dok wins on clay, unless the fix is in. And I think the fix is in for either Davydenko or Federer to take the French. For the sake of the sport. And then the fix would be in for Nadal to take the US.
     
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    Apparently sir you have not been privy to the secrets of success in the pro ranks. A larger headed frame will prevent shanking of the balls, and will allow even an average player to beat Federer or Nadal
     
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    question is can Djokovic continually serve as well as he has been for 3-4 hours?
    Does he have it in him to run 10-20 balls down to win a point?
    will he be ready to fight that long
    be that strong
    that patient
    be agressive
    attack well
    will he,mentally be ready to be in his first Slam semis again Nadal,no less and on clay?
    :confused:
     
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  36. Tennis_Maestro

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    LOL! How did "Gamma a bigga one pappa!" tell me that?

    I'll give you one of my Head Prestige Flexpoint Mid Plus's with a blimming head size of 98inches, which is just below the average standardized size of 101inches.
     
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  37. Tennis_Maestro

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    I believe so. He is a very physically fit guy! Just because he doesn't flaunt it, like "Mr Motivator" a.k.a Cut Sleeved Nadal doesn't mean he isn't fit.
     
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  38. rounick

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    I stand corrected..

    On subject,

    I believe that Djokovic will put up a good fight,but lose eventually..He doesn't have a good enough serve-yet-to beat Nadal.I think that in order to beat Nadal,you GOTTA have a big serve,plus a great backhand.

    I'm guessin' Fed-Nadal again,but I'm also guessing it's gonna be quite a different final time around..
     
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    Don't understand the comparison to Federer at age 20-21. At 20-21 Federer only had a couple of titles, 3 I think, and no grand slams at all. If you're talking age wise, Nadal is two years on horseback ahead of Federer!

    The two years on horseback came from the commentary booth although they used days. I thought that was so funny!
     
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  40. Attila the tennis Bum

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    I think a one dimensional game is exactly what you need to win the French. Just take a look at Borg,Wilander,Chang,Courier,Agassi, and of course Nadal.

    The problem for Nadal this year is that by coming to the net more often he is no longer a one dimensional player and that scares me .
     
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    I don't question his self belief at all.I really think that deep down,Djokovic thinks he can take down Nadal and Federer but really this is clay and again the circumstances are different for Djokovic.
    Nadal's been in semis and slam finals before but this is new territory for young Novak.
    So one has to wonder if the occasion won't go to his head?
     
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    Federer won his first Wimbledon Grandslam @ 21. Anyway just as Federer didn't win more than one slam at that age doesn't mean to state there isn’t a reminiscence between the potential Djokovich is displaying now and the potential Federer was displaying back then.
     
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    well if Nadal is so one dimentional,that has to make you wonder what to qualify Roddick?:mrgreen:
    hell Nadal is hitting way better volleys than Roddick these days.
     
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    I know EXACTLY what your saying. That is my only fear! Djokovich freezing on the big stage! Hopefully he is mentally strong enough to play his natural game and not get too over rawed by the whole situation.

    As previous posters have said, if his first serve is up to the percentage it was today, then he stands every chance of squeezing it in 5 sets.
     
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    yeh but he would have to play out of his arse to do that so...
     
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    Why? He served @ that percentage today? Who to say he couldn't keep up that level for further 2 extra sets? (20-25 games)
     
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    Nadal in 3. He is smoking hot. I rate Djokovic, he has a a nice game and on paper you'd think he has the game to beat Nadal...

    Big serve
    Solid backhand
    Big Forehand
    Good movement and speed
    Good tennis brain

    But Nadal, the one you call a one-dimensional ball-basher is just too good on clay.

    I watched the Moya match today, and yes, Nadal lost the majority of the points when Moya used the dropshot, but from what I've seen of Djokovic at Roland Garros this year, his dropshot is not good.

    The bottom line is that to win a single point against Nadal you have to be willing to work incredibly hard (as we saw in the Moya match today)

    The other option is that you have to be seeing the ball the size of a watermelon and have the ability to hit clean winners against Nadal, either from the back or by coming to the net. The only person i've seen do that is Federer (first set of final last year and at Hamburg - but my personal opinion is that Nadal wasn't at his best in Hamburg)

    Djokovic will not be able to keep up the necessary work rate or concentration to beat Nadal tactically, nor will he be able to blow him off the court... for one set, maybe.... 3 sets, no chance.
     
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    Tennis come on mate,there is a world of difference between Andreev who plays well on clay,no doubt to trash that one dimensional hard court player who stinks on clay like Roddick and Nadal who has won everything on clay that has come his way.You know what I mean
     
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    Nadal is anything but one dimensional. Nadal can hit flatten his shots, slice, come to the net, and has a solid backhand. His only weakness is his serve and that has improved from what it used to be. Nadal owns Djokovic on clay as well. I thought Andreev would've bothered Nadal more.
     
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    If this is a Tennis Maestro I feel sorry for his pupils.
    It´s impossible to make more ridiculous statements in a few lines.
    LOL at the one dimensional game. Look at Rafa and learn from him.
     
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