Nadal is wasting even more time now!

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  1. Defcon

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    Its hard to believe, but Nadal is becoming more irritating day by day. I watched some of the match against Berdych today, and he's expanded his routine - now its pulling up both socks, the butt-pick, smooth the hair, look about, bounce the ball about 10 times, then sloooowly serve.

    Its approaching Mary Pierce levels of absurdness. The commentators called him on his time wasting a number of times and he got a time violation for delaying while receiving serve.
     
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  2. MasterTS

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    The TV networks must like Nadal. The more he wins the more time he spends on the courts, the more coverage the station will get, the more comercials are played, the more money the networks get!
     
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    This is Nadal's only fault, it is not ok, it is fine to take time as many such as Max M. will sit there and drible the ball forever, ect but really it is not ok.

    I blame tennis for not calling him on it end of story.
     
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    Thats a great plan except for the 'more he wins' part which is not happening so much :)
     
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    Yes I like Nadal but it is getting very irritating to me as well.

    It is getting absurd that rules are not being enforced.
     
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  6. The tennis guy

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    He always takes more time playing against big hitters. I think it is part of his strategy in slowing down the game.
     
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  7. Gilgamesh

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    There's no question to me that it's part of his strategy. It can wear mentally on his opponents.
     
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    Don't be so sure about it.

    Eurosport commentators criticized him today at their site for procrastination during the play-by-play.

    And a station can't play commercials while he pulls his socks ...
     
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    On Nad's serve after each point they can run a 30 second commercial and be assured when they come back the point will still be 10 seconds away...
     
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    Out here, we call that kind of "strategy" gamesmanship.
     
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    Stations don't like to broadcast tennis because the time slots are unpredictable. And since with nadal who takes so long to play a 2-setter, I am sure broadcasters hate the slow play. And to top it off, it is so annoying as hell for spectators. Tennis needs to be fast actioned not snail paced.
     
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    I'd just serve the ball if he was returning, and if I was on the tour, I'd probably have the accuracy to hit him too!
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  13. Shabazza

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    That in particular annoyed me as I haven't seen him do this before!
    He stands there looking ready to recieve, but then looks up holds his hands up and shakes his head as to say: "No, No Mr.! I'm still not ready to recieve wait another few seconds, now will you?!"
    I mean WTH! :mad:
    I would be really pissed off, I'm surprised how well Berdych responded to Nadal and the hostile crowd throughout the match. Nice composure!
    Really, I must say today Nadal behaved really bad - during AND after the nmatch!
     
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    Marius, nice job! You're now the greatest member of all times in TW!!!
     
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    Yup, 3 times in a row now?
     
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    Didn't see the match. Please expand on the after match behavior.
     
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    Suresh - Nadal had a hunted look about him throughout the match and was thoroughly outplayed by Berdych. Rafa started resorting to inordinate time-delaying tactics (more than usual), even when Berdych was serving, and received a warning from the chair ump in the process. He was celebrating Berdych's errors big-time. He got the crowd into the fray bigtime and the crowd started cheering Berdych's faults and booing his winners. I thought Berdych handled the rowdy partisan crowd very well and when he won, he put a finger to his lips gesticulating to the crowd to shush. As he came to the net to shake Nadal's hand, Rafa said something to him to which Berdych did a double take and looked startled. They exchanged a few words before retiring to their respective corners. It was a great match and well fought and the better player won. I daresay that Nadal came across as a sore loser; I believe his head-to-head against Berdych is 1-3; Berdych seems to have Rafa's #.
     
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    Thanks. Would Rafa have spoken to him in English?
     
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    From another thread:

    he said something to Berdych when shaking hands and commented to some reporter that "Berdych is really stupid as a person"
     
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    Watching the delayed coverage on on ATP Masters Series TV now ...

    Nadal is consistently averaging between 22 to 25 seconds between points at the start of the second set:

    5 seconds to towel off both arms
    2 to 3 seconds to adjust socks
    2 to 3 seconds to butt pick
    5 seconds to stare at uncle tony and carlos costa with beffudled look
    3 to 4 seconds to select the perfect ball from one of the new balls
    over 5 seconds for the pronlonged service motion

    Between the annoying OCD ticks and the celebration each time Berdych makes an error, he's becoming really annoying
     
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  21. Feña14

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    Nadal said to Berdych at the net "very bad, very bad". Nadal is a real sore loser, a side to him that we are seeing more and more frequently these days.
     
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    You have it backwards. Networks can cash in off quick play, not slow play. Take sampras for example. His service games last like 1min, when he returns it takes two mins. The network gets to show 2 mins of commercials for every 3 mins of tennis.

    With nadal they show 20 mins of tennis (or stalling) to show 2 mins of commercials. Less commercial time per hour when nadal plays.
     
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  25. sureshs

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    No. Actually, this link is called Nadal's press conference!

    Maybe they have conferences only for the winners and they had created the title before assuming Nadal would win.
     
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    Nadal's in spanish:

    http://tennis-masters-madrid.com/news/NewsDetail_603.htm

    he says that the crowd was wonderful and never against Berdych!
    what a sore loser!

    "Pero al final, el gesto del final ya sobró, para mi el público se portó de maravilla, no estuvo en contra de él, animó, hay que recordar en que estamos en España. El público aprovecha para agradecer y yo nunca he estado en este ambiente, me voy con una muy buena sensación, he jugado un buen nivel."
     
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    Thats a great interview - good on Berdych for telling it like it is and basically telling Nadal, the spanish crowd and the media to STFU. I've lost what little respect I had for Nadal after this - topspinmonkey can go choke on a banana.

    If any other player, and esp Federer, had behaved like this, the media would roast them alive. But I guess since muscle-boy pulls in the teenage fans with his biceps and antics and gets the ratings, we won't hear anything. From the media or officials.
     
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    Yeah, seriously, who's going to believe this? Let me guess, the J-Block cheered against Blake at the US Open, the Spanish crowd supported Ginepri, and they also booed Nadal for taking so much time during points. I agree, what a sore loser.
     
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    QUESTION. "He said to you that you are a bad guy or a bad player? What did he tell you?"

    TOMAS BERDYCH: "He just told me with his English that, "You are very bad."

    From the very bottom of the interview on the link.

    Wow. if that's true, than all of those Rafa's a great guy threads just went down the tube.
     
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    "A bad guy".
     
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  31. Defcon

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    At the USO, the crowds had every reason to be much more partisan. And in a sense they were. But both Blake and Agassi made an effort to keep their supporters under control and make sure it didn't go out of hand. Now thats class.

    Of course they were playing against Mr.Class, something you can't say about Nadal.
     
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    Good point. We also wont hear anything on these boards. I think it's funny that when Roger says, "I think I am the favorite to win here," he's the biggest jerk in the country, but Nadal can say, "you are very bad" to a player at the net after a loss and he's a friggin saint.
     
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  33. Squall Leonheart

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    Not only on these boards, but also in Spain.
     
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  34. Zaragoza

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    And why don´t you mention what Berdych did before, isn´t it relevant? Maybe another guy wouldn´t even shake hands with Berdych and had told him a few things.
     
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    the spanish fans are the most classless there are and now nadal is showing his true stripes, hes as bad as they are. another reason i cant stand the guy, that and he takes 35 between each damn serve. i honestly cant watch him unless i have it on tivo so i can speed it up to the serve...
     
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    LOL i sky + it so i can fast forward all the messing around. I don't dislike Nadal as a player but man it is so irritating waiting for him to actually play
     
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  37. Feña14

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    You mean him telling them to be quiet after the crowed had cheered his errors and boo'd him for challenging calls with hawk eye? This isn't Davis Cup here, you can't go round behaving like that just because your home player is getting spanked.

    That's what happened before the incident. 90% of the people here admit Nadal was wrong for saying what he did at the net and after the match, and the other 10% are fan boys who know he was wrong but just don't want to admit it.

    If that's how Madrid feel about players other than their own then maybe the tournament should be relocated to another Country where the players shall be treated better. Nadal can go and play by himself in Madrid every October, it's pretty clear that the Spanish fans only have eyes for him.

    I'll say it before and i'll say it again. Spanish audiences are more than willing to give it out, but when someone tells them the right thing to do they can't deal with it, and neither can Nadal by the looks of it. 7,001 sore losers in that stadium today, and 1 winner, not just for winning the match but for standing up for himself. You would like to think that the Spaniards will learn from this and take a long hard look at themselves but I doubt they will. Ah well, at least people got another glimpse at the real Nadal today.
     
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    The crowd cheered when Nadal won a point (when Berdych makes an error it means Nadal wins a point) and it happens on every tournament when someone is playing in his country or do you think they didn´t cheer Nadal´s errors against Johansson in Stockholm?
    It´s funny when you say 90 % of people admit Nadal was wrong as we all know 90 % of people here are Nadal haters so what should you ADMIT when you HATE someone?
    Madrid is one of the best MS tournaments said by Tiriac and a few internet haters aren´t going to make him change his opinion.
    Spaniards are so proud of Nadal and they have enjoyed him winning this tournament in Madrid last year and his French Open victories, the Davis Cup tittle with Nadal playing for his country...so many unforgettable moments by Nadal.
    By the way, ask americans or any others who visited Spain to play Davis Cup ties about the spanish crowd.
     
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    Ooooooh SNAP!!!
     
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    Mm, what's that smell? I smell irony!
     
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    I didn't see the match but what was his facial expression during the net exchange?

    We might be taking his words out of context considering his english is not so good. He might have meant that B was a "bad guy" you know similar to a slang term like "you are one bad mofo!" but coming out of Nadal who can't speak english that well it might have come across more awkward or offensive. Not sure. Does anyone have a video of their net exchange?
     
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  42. BigServer1

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    Man, so many players motion to the crowd after a win, especially if the crowd is very hostile. Was it uncalled for? maybe, but if anyone were to not shake hands with a player after a match, that would be inexcusable.
     
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    uh i saw the match, didnt see any "negative" facial expressions, berdych was had a straight, focused expression on his face... idk what nadal is talking about... sore loser! lol
     
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  44. Gilgamesh

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    Actually I wanted to know Nadal's facial expression when he said what he did.
     
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  45. WhiteSox05CA

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    I didn't know he could waste any more time! They should do something about that for sure, it's an unfair advantage.
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    if im not mistaken the rules say you only have 25 seconds to serve
     
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    I remember during the match, Nadal was bouncing the ball several times, taking forever to serve, and Berdych made a ball-bouncing motion out of annoyance. This was early in the match. I thought a catfight was about to break out. Obviously Berdych has a 'tude when it comes to Rafa, and you can't blame him. Although, Birdy, I know you're tall and everything, but you probably don't want to pick a fight with a guy that could break you like a twig.
     
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    You are a very bad person.:p
     
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    Maybe Nadal can Break him like a twig off the court, but on the court I give the edge to Berdych...
     
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