Nadal is wasting even more time now!

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  1. doublebreak

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    Interesting, from what you say you don't seem to be too slow, but do you see how it cuts both ways? just like a fast pace player frustrate you the slow playing does the same for many. I think it is easier to adjust for a fast pace. There's nothing wrong with asking for a few more seconds (3 or 4) by putting your hand up when returning, the trouble is that on the opposite case the slow player can go well beyond 3 or 4 seconds extra in his routine. Also, in the case of amateurs where you don't have ball kids, what I do if I feel I'm being rushed I'll make sure I pick every ball on my side of the court every point and I will hit it to my opponent once I get to the baseline (even if it is the 3rd ball and he says to me "I got 2") and the more he wants to rush me the more imprecise and loopy I will be with those balls. They usually get the point sooner rather than later.

    In my view the very slow playing is detrimental to all parties: players, tv, fans. I do agree that Nadal has improved in that department, but at the end the rules are the rules and it is somewhat disappointing to not see them enforced all the time.
     
  2. doublebreak

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    I didn't see it but I would not definitively say that is good behavior just because of the apparent politeness of those words. It could be very well cynicism on his part, just another way of saying "I don't really care, what are you going to do about it?". Only he knows how he feels about it.

    About saying thank you to the ball kids, yes, it is definitely a great thing to do to acknowledge them and their work.
     
  3. Cyan

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    That happened during the Delpo match.


    Awwwwwww, Rafa always so classy and sweet.:)
     
  4. P_Agony

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    Wow, that's so unlike Nadal. Sounds more like Djokovic or Murray there. What does he have against Berdych?
     
  5. bolo

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    could be but his behavior in most ways is impeccable. Even in unscripted situations, for example in on-court interviews (agassi's last match at wimbledon, this past AO open cermony) his reactions are very natural and kind. But there is a miniscule chance it's all a show so who knows.
     
  6. norbac

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    Murray? I don't see Murray ever doing something like that. Sure, he gets pissed at himself, but he never says any bad things about his opponents, to their face or in press conferences.
     
  7. NamRanger

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    Stepanek would still win that by a long shot.
     
  8. NamRanger

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    The fact that Berdych for that one particular match was not intimidated by Nadal nor the rowdy Madrid crowd.
     
  9. King of Aces

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    That is funny!
     
  10. Blade0324

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    So it appears that your timing is off. I have timed it in numerous matches as well and he consistantly is between 20-30 sec. It is arbitrary when to start the clock on this. You say as soon as the point is over, however it really would be once the ball from the point is retreived and makes it way to the servers end of the court. Think about it. In matches were no ball kids are present the time it takes to retreive balls and get to the baseline go through ones routine etc. would be far over the time. Instead the time should be once the balls are retreived. Nadal and Djoker actually rarely go over time by more than a few seconds anymore. If this is your big mission in life to worry about such trivial things then you will most certainly have high blood pressure and likely heart disease as well. You need to chill out and just enjoy the ride.
     
  11. veroniquem

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    At least, he doesn't pull up his socks anymore! I think he should be praised for that :)
     
  12. veroniquem

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    In the south, everyone takes their time. Never go to the South of France, you will go nuts at how slow people do everything and even say everything! I love it, such a relaxing change of pace from big cities like New York and Paris where people behave like they're on speed all the time.
     
  13. swedechris

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    IMO there should be a shotclock to make it clear time is not wasted.. if you like Nadal and Nole and some others go on to long you lose the upcoming point. finito.
     
  14. NamRanger

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    Nope. You're wrong. According to woodrow, someone who knows the rulebooks inside and out, says that the time clock starts the second the point is over. Nadal according to the rule book clearly goes over the time limit far too often.
     
  15. veroniquem

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    Wow digging up that old corpse, now? OK... Berdych made a defiant gesture toward the Spanish crowd after the match ended (as if to get back at them for supporting Rafa), at the hand shake, Nadal said "it's very bad what you did, very bad". Berdych looked stunned indeed and of course Rafa was also in a bad mood that he lost in front of his home audience. They worked the thing out afterwards and never kept any bad blood about it and that's it folks.
     
  16. swedechris

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    I do think Berdych has balls to be pointing this out at a venue like that. I saw that match and he played well. He deserved to win. + he made a stand for the sake of the rules that apply .
     
  17. vtmike

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    Someone did have the balls to stand up to his highness...I can't believe other players just take this crap lying down
     
  18. luckyboy1300

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    what's so gentlemanly in that behavior? he knows he's breaking the rules and still doing it? then goes on to say "I know, thank you?" as if he doesn't care? if he really cares then he should've said "Oh sorry" then really mean it.
     
  19. King of Aces

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    Yup Federer lost to Nadal 6-1,6-3,6-0 because Nadal delayed the game.

    Thanks for clearing that all up.
     
  20. luckyboy1300

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    stop it! it's blasphemy. whatever nadal does, be sure to say he's the greatest sportsman that ever lived, and the one that many should look up to, and don't believe his clueless peers who don't know what they're doing when they did not nominate his highness in the sportsmanship award.
     
  21. Blade0324

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    Well that is just asinine then and the rule needs to be modified to about 40-45 seconds to allow for proper time between points.

    That is very likely the reason that umpires don't really enforce it the way you think it should be. Dumb rules don't get paid much attention.
     
  22. aldeayeah

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    Berdych was deliberately antagonizing the pro-Nadal crowd. Nadal was pretty pissed about that and even called him "stupid" when asked after the match.

    He later commented on that (in Spanish):

    "I did tell him. It wasn't in rage, because I always try to keep my cool in defeat. Week after week, Berdych proves he's one of the best in the world and that one day he'll hit the top ten. But already back in Toronto, he looked down on the opponent, while I just mind my own business, and today he did the same. I'm always focused on myself and nothing else. That gesture he made in the end was unneccesary. The crowd behaved wonderfully, and was never against him."

    Nadal dislikes people picking on his routines. I'm afraid some day somebody will kick his bottles or something and Nadal will murder him.
     
  23. thejoe

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    To be fair, Nadal having a go at Berdych was entirely justified. It isn't like he swore at him.
     
  24. swedechris

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    Me neither.. Right now ,in the final at IW , Murray is doing some timely stuff to catch his breath . like talking to the ump a bit and changing rackets when Nadal is serving and running him blue.
     
  25. Blade0324

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    Don't post that crap here, it's almost a spoiler and belongs in the pro results section.
     
  26. vtmike

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    When the hell did I say that Fed lost because of Nadal's delays...Give me a quote where I said that...don't put words in my mouth you troll!!

    Regardless of the match result it is not good sportsmanship to use time wasting tactics!!
     
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  27. King of Aces

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    If you dont think the delays are a problem then what the hell is your problem? Why even bring it up?

    If its not having an effect then where is the bad sportsmanship you are claiming?

    Its like not saying sorry after you hit a lucky net cord. give it up dude.

    You are the troll because you are admittedly bringing up stuff that you dont even believe in.
     
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    Wow!

    I'm not going to argue with a 17 year old teenager anymore! So its ok to take 10 minutes between points because it does not affect the result...alright fine...good for you...
     
  29. NamRanger

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    Nadal was cheering on UEs, using time delay tactics, along with a very hostile Madrid crowd as if it was Davis Cup. Berdych had every right to tell the crowd to be quiet.
     
  30. King of Aces

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    Yah 6 grandslams at the age of 22 all because he delayed his serve by seconds.

    Its all so clear now. Thanks...nadal really sux.
     
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    You completely missed the point of my post. But that's ok.


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  32. Safinator_1

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    If i had to waste time to win all those trophies wow do it in a heart beat
     
  33. babbette

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    Ok of course i'm a rafa fan, I love Rafa ( well as much as you can love someone that you don't know personally but love everything that is shown about him :mrgreen:) but I have to admit the boy definitely takes his dear all time doesn't he!! I don't mind the towel wiping when he's hit like one return after a changeover, I don't mind taking his time before the match begins, but dangit the routine before serve is driving me over the edge, lol. Wipe, ball check, pass ball to ballkid, pick butt, swiftly pass finger past nose to then direct it to his ear where he leisurely tucks his hair behind each ear, then ball bounce then racket bounce....ahh Rafa, have mercy.:cry: Especially when the match is intense and i'm dying for him to get to that winning point the before routine serve drives me insane!! :cry:
     
  34. veroniquem

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    Just think how nice it is to take one's dear time in certain other areas of life ;-)
     
  35. babbette

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    haaaaaaaaaaahaaa, naughty girl! :p
     
  36. deltox

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    its simply on the atp's shoulders.

    its not an infraction til you get caught or called for it. the prolem is currently the atp is so afraid of contraversy they are weeners about everything.

    i see the serve as a free throw in basketball.. you got 10 seconds after receiving the ball to serve/shoot. sounds fair to me.
     
  37. TheTruth

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    He sure isn't wasting time racking up those wins. No slowness to his game right there. He's moving awfully fast for 22, no?
     
  38. deltox

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    wow easy on the defensivness. were talking bout one area of his game, not talking bout any problem with his game. the topic is the time it takes him from end of point to next serve.. do you disagree that he takes the most time of all current pros?

    thats the only question here, not anything bout his career.
     
  39. Melissa

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    Berdych is going to be one unhappy camper if he has to play center court against Andy Roddick on a Sat. night at the U.S. Open.
     
  40. King of Aces

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    Oh yes!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  41. veroniquem

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    Glad everyone agrees :)
     

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