Nadal looks unstoppable!

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  1. allez

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    I am not surprised if Nadal wins Wimby. The man is an animal (in a good sense, OK) when he hits the ball. Forget about clay or grass. He hits that ball with so much power and spin and he seems to be able to run down everything. He plays better as the game lasts longer. He will physically beat up anyone even though he is one dimensional. Fed has the game to beat Nadal on any surface, but after the 4-5 consecutive bashing this yr, I doubt if Fed can believe he can beat Nadal, even on grass.
     
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  2. FEDEXP

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    Well that "even on grass" caveat is a rather large one. The simple truth is that everyone stops, eventually.
     
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    I totally agree. I mean if a 166 ranked overweight guy who lost in the 1st round of 8 out of 9 challengers events he played at the start of this year can't stop Nadal then who possibly can?
     
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  4. dh003i

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    Nadal looks "unstoppable"? Why, because he's playing such great grass-court tennis? No. He's playing average grass-court tennis, and is struggling to win every match.

    The only one who's unstoppable at Wimbledon is Federer. When you've won every match without even losing a set, and have only lost serve once, then you're unstoppable. Ancic will be a tougher test for Federer than a possible Nadal final.

    Talk about wishful thinking from Nadal fanboys. Federer is two or three times better than anyone else out there on grass. And it shows in the game-scores too.
     
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  5. tlm

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    Nadal looks pretty good considering this is his worst surface.But he doent look unstoppable by no means.I dont think he will get to the finals,+ if he does i think fed will beat him.
     
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  6. Marat Safinator

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    grass isnt grass anymore, its like green clay.
     
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  8. Freedom

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    Looks can be deceiving. Federer is unstoppable.
     
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  9. dubsplayer

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    I'm looking forward to seeing him how well he does against someone who actually is a really good grass court player. His draw so far has been ridiculously easy. And that includes Andre - who truth be told is just a shell of his former shelf and never had a prayer against most of the draw, let alone Rafa. And even if he gets to the final I still don't see him beating Roger.
     
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  10. VamosRafa

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    Did you watch the last two matches? I don't call serving up lots of aces and never facing a breakpoint "struggling to win"!
     
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    But who has he played? No one...yet. He's had one sweet draw. Let's wait until the trophy presentation until we award "Rafa" his first Wimbledon title.
     
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    nadal is playing better & better in grass... nadal will beat fed in grass sooner than fed can adapt clay court.... beware fed, your time is over
     
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  13. VamosRafa

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    For the record, have I given Rafa his first Wimbledon title? As I said before, I thought I'd be at the beach this week instead of doing Nadal updates to the site.

    I'm thrilled he got to the QF, because I think this is going to give him a lot more confidence on faster surfaces.
     
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    Wow. Are you aware that Federer is the second best clay court player in the world?
     
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    That's kind of a deceptive statement. Technically he may be, but Nadal is 10,000 leagues ahead of anyone on clay. Nadal has no trouble beating Federer on a hard court...... the grass will be interesting but I fully expect Nadal to beat Federer on any surface, be it grass or otherwise.
     
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    Nice troll thread. I really hope Nadal can make it to the final so Federer can crush Nadal.
     
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    The only troll here is you. His post was perfectly legit. Quit trying to pick on someone with a different viewpoint.
     
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  18. doriancito

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    yeah he is hitting the ball pretty good for grass, still has that spin that federer will take advantage of here and hit it harder.
     
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  19. emcee

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    Nadal has gone pretty far, but c'mon. If Fed played those 3 no-names plus a 36 year old Agassi, no one would be talking about how talented Kendrick is. Fed would've mopped the floor with them.

    If Nadal faced Gasquet and Henman the first two rounds, well I'm not sure he'd be in the quarters. The way Fed completely dominated Henman was scary.
     
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  20. MikeMcKenzie

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    All Great Points.....remember Though.....fed Gets Shaky Against Rafa!!!!
     
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    but they're never played on grass before. it would be very interesting to see these 2 play on grass.
     
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    I think Nadal has a good chance in making it the final, but beating Federer would be a tough task. I dont see that happening. It should take him 2-3 years for Nadal to master grass.
     
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  23. dh003i

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    Nadal will never master grass. He's not like Federer. Doesn't have an all-around game. Doesn't have all of the shots. He isn't precision shot-maker like Federer. His game just doesn't transfer well to grass.

    Like above poster (emcee) said, if Nadal had Federer's draw, he probably wouldn't be here. As it is, Nadal had a ridiculously easy draw. Federer had the toughest draw (which is fair, he's the #1), and he's destroyed everyone.

    The best game Nadal's played on grass so-far wouldn't beat the worst game of Federer on grass over the past 3 years.

    But hey, I'm all for Nadal getting to the Wimbledon. Federer is just too good on grass -- arguably one of the best ever, right up there with Sampras -- and would completely destroy him. It would be great for his confidence in future matches against Nadal.

    Think about what some of these Nadal fanboys have been saying. Federer is a grass-court player of the calibre of Sampras -- that is, arguably the best ever on grass. Does anyone really think Nadal could beat Sampras on grass? Sampras would completely destroy him; and so will Federer, if they play.
     
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  24. fastdunn

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    What Nadal has shown so far at Wimbledon 2006 is
    that he is very vulnerable on grass.

    But it's amazing to see him getting better game by game.
    He already showed some new faces of his games
    (while proved his expected short comings are there...)
     
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    You might as well quit trying to hype up Nadal. Nadal is a good clay court player, but he can't beat a quality grass court player. Ancic, Roddick, and obviously Federer could all beat Nadal on grass as well as hard courts.
     
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  26. dh003i

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    fastdunn,

    Or maybe some of that apparent improvement comes from having the easiest draw.
     
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    OK, Nadal is in the quarter finals thanks to an easy draw. If Nadal had to face Gasquet, Henman, Mahut and Berdych, there is no way he'd make the quarters. He should be grateful for the draw that he's got. I mean 3 unknowns and a 36 year old Agassi. It's probably rigged.
     
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  28. textbook strokes

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    It's really funny the way Fed fans don't want him just to defeat Nadal. They want him to "destroy", "kill" or "beat his ss" :mrgreen: .
    Why this hatred?. I admire Fed, but this kind of talk make me root for Rafa :-| .
     
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  29. dh003i

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    textbook,

    (1) I don't like Nadal's gamesmanship and massive amount of time between points, which I consider cheating.

    (2) I don't like him whining about being asked to abide by the rules.

    (3) I don't like his constant "Vamos's". All 3 of these are things that classy players like Sampras and Federer didn't do when they were 19/20.

    (4) I really dislike many Nadal fans, who have this stupid idea that somehow Nadal's really the best player in the world (despite ranking, ATP race, and grand slams). I also can't stand many of their stupid posts, which say dumb things like Federer will be knocked out early at Wimbledon.

    Thus, primarily, I want Federer to destroy Nadal in the Wimbledon finals to shut these stupid fans up.
     
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  30. Chang

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    Fed will adapt to clay faster than Nadal can adapt on grass. He's reached 3 clay finals and has won Hamburg.
     
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  31. punch

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    Now that a few of my favs are gone, I also hope Nadal reaches the final so he can lose to Federer in straights.
     
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  32. Xanataos

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    Nadal still has problem returning faster serves, so Roger should have no problem winning as his serve is really lethal in grass.
     
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  33. Saito

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    This shows Roger's thoughts on Rafa

    Taken from Wimbledon official site:

    "Roger Federer stands three victories away from a fourth Wimbledon title and with it, a place alongside the greats of the game. He has also extended his run of consecutive wins on grass to 45, and currently looks unbeatable. He has yet to drop a set at this year’s Championships.

    Obviously very much at ease with himself, Federer declared his most recent outing on Centre Court was not his best match, but was glad to have had an easy day after recording a comfortable 6-3, 6-3, 6-4 victory over Tomas Berdych, the player he beat in the Halle final, for the loss of a set.

    “The first couple of matches [we played] were much better than this, but that may have had something to do with his shoulder,” Federer said. “He was struggling with it and it bothered him on his serve. When I won the second set I knew I was through and it would be just a matter of time before I got the final break.”

    Federer was very comfortable on the court, a court he says has become “a little bit slippery, but I guess that is normal with the heat we’ve had. They have changed over the weekend, they are drier and the bounce is a little higher and I had to make a few adjustments.”

    Federer seemed to be unphased by the prospect of playing Mario Ancic, the last man to have beaten him on grass, in the next round. Giving the matter some brief thought, he said: “Ancic has grass court expertise... It’s going to be a tough match.” But the Swiss star is very confident of his ability on grass, a factor which shines through every time he appears on court. For instance, he knows he can beat anyone off the baseline, especially on grass. “I know exactly how to play on grass,” he affirmed.

    But then a certain Spaniard is lurking in the bottom half of the draw, a player who has inflicted several defeats on the defending champion. “It’s not all me and him, you know,” Federer declared, “even though the attention was focused on us during the clay court season when we played in three finals and before that, in the final of Dubai.

    “Obviously meeting on grass would be interesting,” Federer continued. “We don’t know how good he is [on this surface]. He’s had a pretty good draw even though Andre Agassi is a tough player. If he made the final, that would be quite a surprise to many, even though he is such a good player and you would expect him to.”"

    Written by Henry Wancke

    link: http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/news/articles/2006-07-03/200607031151952243031.html
     
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  34. Saito

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    Sorry, but I felt I should double post because the article seemed big... and please don't take my above post out of context people. I simply highlighted what Roger's thoughts on Nadal were.

    Here are mine:

    Rafa is doing alot better on this surface than I expected for sure. Improvement on serve was a plus, as Vamos was quick to point out. However, it was a pushover of a draw (yes, IMO even Agassi... getting way too old... since when does the legendary player lose like that???) and as someone had pointed out earlier, had he the tougher draw I don't see him in the final 8. Interesting though, if he would happen to make it to the final, it may even jitter Fed a little (not enough but it should be a surprise...). Overall good for his confidence, I'm sure, but not enough IMO.

    Should he win this year would be unbelievable. As for the future, predicting anything would be a little tough because it's not like Federer is going anywhere either. A problem I think in these boards is that the Fed fans act like the Nadal fans are saying Federer is through with (and some actually do say that...) but I really think that for the most part they are just saying the domination of Federer is over and that there are going to be some interesting matches in the near future. At least that's what I think...
     
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    Bwuahahahaha!! Stop it, already, I'm cramping here.
    :)

    Not to mention, Kendrick.

    Let's see how Nadal plays against Bags or Hewitt, if he gets that far.

    -Robert
     
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  36. janipyt05

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    aint that something rafa in the quaters of the grass

    Rafa may not be winning easy or pretty but a win is win who would have thought rafa could be in the quarter os a grass court slam. I just think the courts have changed its easier for the like of rafa to play on grass, he gets down low but generally the ball sits up and the courts are playing like a hard court, its really hot here in london so the grass has dried out.
     
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    Federer will freeze once more in front of a this lurking Spaniard in the bottom half of the draw, if ever they meet at Wimbledon Final.
     
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    I love responding to your posts more than anyone's because they are THAT ridiculous. For one thing, anyone could master grass, no matter their current technique. Techniques and mindsets on different surfaces can change throughout a players career. Its called practice practice practice, obviously you've probably never done much of that.

    Again, you throw in your obsessions with Federer, claiming he is so good and one of the best ever, and discredit Nadal by saying his draw has been ridiculously easy. And even if Nadal made it to the final, you would discredit him because he has an easy draw, and because grass supposedly isn't grass anymore. Nothing will make you happy, and you are why I'm starting to think the majority of Federer fans are crazy, but its probably just you.

    It's not Nadal's fault that people can't hold up to their seeding on his side of the draw, just like it has never been Federer's fault in previous grand slam tourneys (trust me, he has had quite easy draws as well). But, for you to right that Nadal would be completely crushed by Federer in the final, is just funny. You know very well that Nadal would have a better chance to beat Federer in the final than anyone else remaining in the draw.
     
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    When Federer beat a 35,5 year old Agassi, who had 3 or 4 five-setters in his legs, at USO, some said, it was the greatest win ever. Lets be honest: Nadal has an easy draw on grass, but Federer has also an easy draw, given the poor state of mens grass court tennis. He beat a bunch of old and young nervous guys plus one scared and injured (Berdych). The lone challenge came from a qualifier (Mahut), who had never won a majors match before.
     
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    A year's made a big difference in Agassi. I think he pushed as hard as he could to make that US Open final. His body has not recoverred and he's basically been injured since the Masters in Shanghai. Nadal beat up on a weakened/worn out Agassi. Besides that he's not really faced any good grass court players on the level of Gasquet, Ancic, or Henman. Having said this though I am very impressed by how Nadal's stepped up his game! But let's live on Planet Earth now... there's no way Federer's draw was *easier* than Nadals! If it looks easy to you, it may be because Fed's raised his grass court game :)
     
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  42. Morrissey

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    I see that the blindfolds (denial) have purposely been put on. For someone that was supposed to struggle on grass, he's looked like it was never a problem. I would safely say that he's on his way to the SF easily. If he beats Hewitt, then I would seriously consider him winning Wimby, I'm not sure Fed wants to run into this guy in the final again. It's obvious that the intimidation factor is there, that's the truth.
     
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  43. dubsplayer

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    Well said.
     
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  44. Morrissey

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    Didn't Federer struggle for a bit against the supposedly "old" Agassi in the U.S. Open final last year? For a set and a half Agassi outplayed him. He was also coming off 3 straight 5 setters. I don't recall the fans saying anything about beating a washed up old player. They called it one of his greatest victories. There's definitely a double standard here. When Nadal beats Agassi on grass nonetheless, age is a factor. But when Fed beats the same guy 9 months earlier on hard court it's a great victory. I understand the Nadal fans bewilderment with the Fed fans, there's a serious case of jealousy going on these boards.
     
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    lol

    End of Thread :p :p
     
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    Has Nadal not beaten the then o so great Agassi at Canadian open in straight sets 3 and 3 before?
     
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  47. Babblelot

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    Didn't 35 y/o Agassi have to hobble around for three sets at 2005 RG, then make it to 2005 USO F? How much tennis had Agassi played leading up to 2005 USO? How much tennis had Agassi played coming into 2006 Wimby? Was it 10 matches? Didn't he lose his 1R match to Henman in his warm-up to Wimby? Aren't you comparing apples to oranges?

    (...There's a theme there; the last question is rhetorical)
     
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    really, has anyone looked at the comp played by either, and researched their respective records? nadals draw was 10X easier. as well as having all the serve and volley players (fed), all of the dangerous players were somehow not in his draw (nadal)? its a fabricated draw, if their ever was one!!! andre is a shell of hiself, and in that state he was able to play nadal tough for a set and tiebreak, with no tennis in the last 3 months?!! he was sharp going into the USO!! he was not sharp here. he hasnt played much grass tennis in the last 3 years due to recurring injury (old). get off it already. do some research before you speak of easy draws............ fed will play guys from beginning to end with exemplary grass court performances and weapons. only weapon nadal has faced is labadze and his gut bouncing out of control...........
     
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    All the serve and volleyers? Who else than Ancic? 35 old doubles player Bjorkman? What did Mac say: Lets get serious.
     
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  50. bluescreen

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    i have a say, ive been fairly impressed w/ nadal this tournament, no matter who he's been playing. he's been able to flatten out his groundies pretty well and his serve has been excellent lately. i think he faced like no break points for 2 matches or something. nevertheless, we'll really see how good he is on grass if he takes on a real challenge like hewitt.
     
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