Nadal needs to raise his level

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  1. vtmike

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    http://www.tennistalk.com/en/news/20090420/Uncle_Toni_says_Nadal_needs_to_raise_his_level

    Uncle Toni is basically saying that even though Nadal did not play his best, he still won...So that means if he plays at full potential there is no point in playing the FO...just give him all the trophies? or is uncle Toni playing mind games? Do you think he was not at his best in Monte carlo?
     
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    He clearly wasn't at his best. He played poorly (compared to what he's capable to do on this surface) during the whole tournament. He has another gear and in RG he'll show it.
     
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    i agree^ i too noticed he wasnt playing well and i think RG brings out the best in him
     
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  4. illkhiboy

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    I think at this rate of external and internal pressure, Nadal is headed for a mental collapse not too far from now. I think his descent might be pretty ugly, but I don't believe it will happen in the next two years. 2011 or so is when I expect Nadal to break down.
     
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  5. vtmike

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    I never get the feeling he is enjoying his tennis like Fed or Sampras...It always looks forced for some reason...
     
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    I've heard that either Nadal or someone on behalf of Nadal said that he likes the competition more than the game, can someone confirm this?
     
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    Nadal has never dominated Monte Carlo. It is a very slow surface and it neutralizes some of his topspin that RG would maximize. But I do agree that he can serve much better than what he showed at Monte Carlo. The slow surface helped him get away with serving weak this week. The importance of his serve will be bigger in Rome and Madrid (conditions are faster).
     
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  8. mandy01

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    he won it last year without dropping a set....
    point is-he cant always be at his very best.He still played very well IMO...
     
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    yeah..he likes to 'fight' for the win...he himself said that..
    Whatever :roll:
     
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    I have been saying this since the beginning of Monte Carlo. Rafa didn't seem too confident in his shots, in fact very tentative. Unlike in previous years even though he lost sets, he looked more determined and very focused. I also believed that Novak actually played better last year in hamburg, and had he brought that game yesterday in Monte carlo, he might have won that final...Maybe. Rafa's mental lapses during this week is worrying, and hopefully he can recover from that. The burden of being no.1 and being the man to beat is probably catching up to him. Roger has set such high standards and Rafa probably is thinking too much about that, rather than just setting his own legacy through his own inimitable fashion.
     
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    I have an odd feeling that even if Rafa were to win all 4 slams, Toni would still say that he needs to improve and practice more. I'm sure Toni won't be ultimately pleased until Rafa wins every tournament without losing a point. If it's not 6-0 for every set for every match, it's not good enough.
     
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    The point was he had some very close sets that took a long time to win. But Monte-Carlo being so slow, you just got to be slightly better and you win in straight sets most of the time. You can't luck out by your serve being dominant.
     
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    Yeah he needs to improve if he wants to spank everyone 2008-style. But right now, his form is similar to his 2006-2007 form on MC. I mean, he's still the best on clay, though.
     
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    ..either that or its a way of forcing onseself into that mindset before the start of every tournament..I find that commendable.Ofcourse the duo overdo their 'illusion for improvement'thingy at times..but thats ok...
     
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    yes, but the weather this year was far worse...Nadal played two matches in one day..it takes its toll at some point.Anyway,it wasnt a huge blip..at no point was Nadal at a serious risk of losing a match
     
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  16. Nadalfan89

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    If he plays in the FO like he played at MC then I'm not 100% sure he'll win it.

    Losing a set on clay is unacceptable and I hope feels extremely bad about it.
     
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    Nadal is just warming up

    "The serve is really important because I was serving better in the beginning of the season.

    "In this tournament I didn't serve very well. Especially my second serve, sometimes it was 120 kph, so that's a disaster.

    "I have to play more, I have to serve better next week. I am going to have two days to work on this."

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    Rafael Nadal 'missing confidence' as Roland Garros looms

    "I'm not thinking about Roland Garros yet. I'm focused on Barcelona and Rome. There are more important tournaments before Paris. I haven't played to my level on clay yet. I'm still not at my best, so I have to improve if I want to have chances."
     
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    losing a set has no affect on the result and its that nadal still won monte carlo for the 5th time as a nadal fan you are pretty silly to say he won't win french just because he dropped 1 set and still won the title
     
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    Wow, so he's not giving any credit to Novak or Andy? Well, he's smug one isn't he?
     
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  20. Grizvok

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    He definitely hasn't been his best which is probably scary for the competition.
     
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  21. veroniquem

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    Funny sentence in your signature. When did Rafa ever say that? :shock:
     
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  22. GameSampras

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    What the hell is uncle phony talking about? He won Monte Carlo for christ sakes. He needs to raise his level on clay? Are u kidding me? He can beat the field today going 50 percent the clay competition is so bad and he is so far light years ahead. Gimme a friggin break. Why put more emphasis on clay? How dominant does Nadal need to be? He should be worrying about winning a USO and complete the career slam. Not winning a 3000th Clay court title
     
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    That was a general comment on his own game, it had nothing to do with any match in particular.
    I like Toni and Rafa's attitude. There is no point in falling asleep on one's laurels (that's how one starts losing) or starting believing the media hype that one's invincible. You have to be aware of the things that are not working and work on them as well as you can. I agree that Rafa has to work on his serve , he got broken too often during Monte-Carlo (Miami as well).
    Good luck to him to fix that problem, I'm sure he'll be fine in the end.
     
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    Apparently he's starting to act like Fed now too? ha ha ha! I'm sure Rafa's worst looks just as good as his best.
     
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  25. matchmaker

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    I think Uncle Toni is right. Nadal was not at his best. There were lapses during his matches when he gave the impression to be shaky.

    I believe he really is going to need his extra gear. Murray and Djokovic were very close to upsetting him.

    The game at the top is very hard. You lose half a step and you lose many matches, look at what happened with Fed.
     
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  26. Cesc Fabregas

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    Monte Carlo is the worst clay tourment into terms of the clay for Nadal and he still won with only dropping one set I don't think he should worry that much.
     
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    Well, maybe his game was as effective because of the people on the other side of the net. I have no doubt that if a certain former #1 had said the same thing some people would be ready to have him drawn and quartered.
     
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  28. ezdude1970

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    what you guys wanted him to say? oh nadal is so great on clay he should stop practicing and try 1/2 as hard when he competes on clay. nadal is a true champion, and his partnership with Uncle T produced some impressive results on all types of surfaces. so whatever, these 2 are saying people should take notice.

    and it is a sign of a true competitor always trying to improve even though it appears you are 10 miles ahead of your closest rival.
     
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    yea right...he should try something crazy like winning the monte carlo,barcelona,rome,madrid,french open :) that makes him the greatest clay court player ever whatever happens after that
     
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  30. veroniquem

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    He got broken in every match he played at Monte-Carlo, it's obviously not the opponents. He can also tell if his serve is weaker than usual (heck I can tell too).
    One should analyze the strengths and weaknesses of his game.
    That is never why Federer got criticized at all. Federer gets critized for trash talking other players and admire his own game a little too much. What Nadal and Toni are doing is the exact opposite! They're making an uncompromising evaluation of Rafa's weaknesses in his current level of play and acknowledge the high quality of the competition by admitting Nadal has to keep working to have a chance at RG.
     
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    He was very close to doing that in 2007, he won everything + a final at Hamburg.
     
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    You are on to something of their strength here. they are like that. want perfection on every point and seem not too waiver form that , ever.

    On the flipside, it could lead to a burnout in a year or 2 though, IMO.
     
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  33. GameSampras

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    Well maybe Toni is right in doing what he is doing. He may be running Nadal into the ground physically. But look at how Nadal has improved his game over the last year or so. Fed needs a coach like that consistently on him. He may get some of his hunger back and willing to improve his game. The way Roger is going he may not even a tourney this year. He needs someone to push him
     
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    I think he will lose his no.1 ranking in 2010. .his style takes too much out of him and he will age earlier than most others becuse of that .
     
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  35. Cesc Fabregas

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    The result of the tour should be worried Nadal won on clay that doesn't really suit him (damp, slow and it wasn't kicking up high) and he only dropped one set.
     
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  36. RalphNYC

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    Rafa needs a new racquet.
     
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    It is refreshing to know that Nadal is starting to face some of the rediculous expectations that Federer has faced over the years. Maybe the pressure will start to affect him as it did Federer.
     
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    Although I also felt similar way as Toni felt, I can easily recall a few occations when Nadal was pushed much harder in clay seasons last 4 years or so....
     
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    You mean he needs to switch to a bigger head size? :)
     
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    He sure is...Apparently whenever Nadal gets a tough match or loses, he is either,
    a) Tired or
    b) Did not play as good as he normally can

    Its never due to the guy on the other side of the net...
     
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  41. luckyboy1300

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    that's not the real reason at all. your apparent hate for fed, and you don't have to admit it, certainly gives us the impression of your golden double-standards. if rafa says this, nothing wrong, still humble. if fed says that, he's worse than serena williams.

    nadal was not yet playing his best yet always wins with 6-1, 6-2, or 6-3 sets? he loses a set against a good clay-court player and now he says he wasn't at his best? are you kidding me?
     
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    Hey as much as it seems extreme that is a good attitude to take. Okay I won not lets push it further. Nadal has the capabilities of beating the top 10 all in straight sets at the French Open so why not harness your skills to ensure it. Nadal gets props from me and so does Uncle Toni. There is nothing wrong with saying "push it, get better"
     
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    I know the score looks like he was playing great but when you actually watch the match, you can see he was struggling on his serve more than usual. He played well against Djoko though but if you consider his 5 matches of the week, I think he lost his serve more often than usual and if he can do something about it, it's good, no?
     
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    Rafael Nadal wrapped up a fifth consecutive Monte Carlo Masters title and is overwhelming favourite to make it five in a row at the French Open, but his uncle and coach Toni is still not happy.

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    World number one Nadal enjoyed a 6-3 2-6 6-1 victory over Novak Djokovic in the final to equal the record of five titles set by New Zealander Anthony Wilding a century ago.

    He is now 23-1 in clay court finals, with his only loss coming at Hamburg in May 2007 to Roger Federer and has pulled level with the Swiss with 14 Masters crowns.

    Uncle Toni however wants more.

    "He played a good third set, but it's obvious he must play better than this week," said Nadal senior.

    "He was missing a little confidence in his game and you could see that his serve was incredibly weak. But it's the first tournament on clay this season for him and I hope that with some more matches, it'll get better.

    "We know that there's a lot of work to do before Roland Garros. But he still won.

    "It's a very important tournament for us and to win for a fifth time is incredible."
     
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    Joker has improved so much on clay he finally might make it NOT A WEAK CLAY ERA

    the truth is Djokovic is the best clay court player on the planet right now and he choked away the final
     
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  46. GameSampras

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    I think we need some more legit clay threats and great clay court players to come along to make this era not look weak. There is very limited depth in today's clay field across the board. Djoker is improving but once a headcase always a headcase usually. Djoker has proven he cant really keep a consistent level of high play up. He will play lights out great tennis, and look like the best in the world, than turn to crap in the blink of an eye. Its happened since early 08
     
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    If Rafa came out and said, 'Novak and Andy pushed me very hard, I believe they are a threat for my fifth FO.' wouldn't really say much for his confidence level.

    Tennis is a very mental sport, giving your opponents the belief to win isn't a smart strategy.

    Federer dominated the way he did by crushing spirits, not just forehands and backhands.
     
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    Sorry - I just think this is BS for media. Rafa is not a machine, he played good enough to win. What does Toni expect? 6-0 6-0 against everybody every day?
    C'mon Tony, if I wasn't a Rafa fan I'd say this sounds cocky.
     
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    I think Toni just doesn't want Rafa or become complacent. Nada's intreview made it sound as if everything was going alon swimmingly (except for the serve which he had 2 days to tweak it!? before Barcelona. ?

    Toni's not dumb enough to say that Rafa played great in Monte Carlo, because a lot of the time he didn't. And Nadal does need to serve bigger and better, and it will not happen in 2 days of practice.
     
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  50. VivalaVida

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    after an year of talking up Rafa's clay court abilities on this forum, I think you expected him to hit a 100 percent first serves, convert all break points, win every set 6-0. :lol: just kidding. I think nadal is going hard on himself. He played great when it really mattered and if he does that he will continue winning.
     
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