Nadal nervous about coming back!

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  1. RAFA2005RG

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    2009 Roland Garros 4thR: Soderling defeated Nadal in 4 sets.
    2010 Roland Garros Final: Nadal defeated Soderling in 3 sets.
    2011 Roland Garros QF: Nadal defeated Soderling in 3 sets.

    In other words, Nadal wouldn't give a crap. Especially considering its not even Roland Garros.
     
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    Nadal said he could see an early exit at Wimbledon coming, even before he took to the court. He knew he was just fortunate to have lasted through Roland Garros. He was relying on his serve (Nadal served 19 aces in the Rosol match). The injection Nadal used to numb his knee at Roland Garros was no longer doing its job.
     
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    Did he say that before he played at Wimbledon or after he lost to Rosol ?
    If it is the former, provide a link please.
     
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    Nadal :D gets nervous, just like every other tennis player out there. It says so in his biography (he gets nervous before matches). So naturally he'd be nervous about returning after a long hiatus. But we shouldn't have any major worries about Nadal's performance, and since Nadal has the mental edge over Djokovic, I can't see him losing their match at the AO, especially if it goes to a fifth set. :p
     
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    After, but I'll provide a link anyway-
    http://www.tennis.com/news/2012/12/...compare-soderling-shocker/45629/#.UNmmnayzk44

     
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    You don't understand?

    Nadal said (very recently) that he could see (prior to Wimbledon) an early exit at Wimbledon coming, even before he took to the court (he 'could see', he didn't 'say').
     
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    He is going to be a bit nervous, because in way, he has to rebuild his aura once again. He is coming back from extended time off, so there will be doubts, there will be questions, and since Nadal is probably the ultimate momentum player...he is basically coming in with zero momentum. This does change his mindset alot, plus other players might be courageous enough to fancy their chances against him while he is still finding his way back in. And a few more cracks of his armour, could break his mental hold on the tour, and more and more players might be wanting to take shots at him.

    So, a critical time for him, no doubt.
     
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    It is 3 years after college, right?

    And did you mean Apprentice?
     
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    Oh, the irony is, that you don't understand.

    Precisely the fact, that he said it after his loss to Rosol, makes your usage of "before" and "after" totally useless.
     
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    Nadal also said "He is the favourite, I have to play my best to have chances to win" against opponents ranked outside of the top 100. Nadal sees an early exit in every tournament he plays. :lol: He hates expectations and pressure.
     
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    They're also seeing that he's nearing 27 years of age, having more and more physical problems and confidence issues and saw a guy ranked #100 blow him off the court on the biggest stage in the sport. Who doesn't fancy their chances?
     
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    You are saying a player is not allowed to reflect later on the thoughts he had in the past? Then that makes all autobiographies "totally useless".
     
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    You forgot about Nole loosing out in the bronze metal match to Del Potro at the Olympics. Also, I have to disagree with a few things:

    I'd say No to this because several matches were a bigger opportunity including his first slam win AO 08', Wimbledon 2011 where he realised #1 in the world for the first ime and accomplished his stated goal of winning the biggest tournament in the world. Winning the grand slam and French Open aren't as much pressure because he isn't considered a favorite.

    It's really hard to state where Nadal is mentally right now considering the substantial loss he took at Wimbledon and the injury ridden season that plagued him. He's a proven champion but there's really nothing to base his current state on. He had a great clay season but this is expected and he's already proven that he is the superior clay court player in the world. Hell, he could win the whole clay season, even on bad knees.

    Again, Nadal is by far the odds on favorite in this match and proved once again his superiority on Court Philippe Chatrier.
     
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    Nо, I said that your usage of "before" and "after" is useless.
     
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    nethawkwenatchee, Nadal already said that before he played Wimbledon he knew the loss was foretold. He knew what was about to happen, because he knew he had pushed his knee too far in winning Roland Garros. Some people ask why he played Halle. He played Halle because he knew he had to adjust to grass to stand any chance (Don't forget, Nadal was down 2 sets to 1 TWICE in the 1st week of 2010 Wimbledon, so he struggles terribly to adjust to grass even after good preparation). So he went through the routine of adjusting to grass and then hoped for the best against Rosol, but he knew the loss was eminent. So for you to say that the Rosol loss was a "substantial loss" is pathetic, considering Nadal expected the loss, and considering it was entirely physical and in no way mental. Nadal has won his last 3 matches over Djokovic, including 2 of them in straight sets. Whereas in 2011, Djokovic beat Nadal in straight sets TWICE on clay. Nadal has radically turned himself around mentally since then. And by the way, one of the best serving performances I've seen from Nadal in the last 3 years was the Rosol match when Nadal served 19 aces. He knew his knee wouldn't allow his groundstrokes to flourish, so he upped his serve.
     
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    No, your reading comprehension skills are useless.
     
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    nethawkwenatchee, also, Uncle Toni said during the Roland Garros final after they left the court with Djokovic up a break in the 4th set, Nadal cried. Nadal had lost 3 slam finals in a row to Djokovic, and that is why it was the most pressure Nadal has ever been under in his life. Its ok to lose Wimbledon or the US Open or Australian Open, but to lose Roland Garros is a tragic event that Nadal was already destroyed by in 2009.
     
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    Concentrating on words and not meaning is totally in line with your comprehension skills.

    :roll:
     
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    That's exactly what you are doing right now, concentrating on words and not meaning. You would understand the meaning of my original sentence if you had comprehension skills.
     
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    The funny thing about Djoko/Rafa stats on hard court is that Rafa's best event against Novak is... who would have thought? Indoor!: WTF is the only hard court event where Rafa leads: 2-1. They're tie at USO and Novak leads in IW, Miami, Canada, Cincy, Paris (in other words all masters on hard) and AO (11-5 Novak overall) but to me the most unforgettable win Rafa got over Novak on hard is still the Olympics, the most emotional one too. I think Novak is always the favorite vs Rafa on hard (same as Rafa vs him on clay) but that doesn't mean Rafa can't score some big ones. Rafa has had more significant wins over Novak on hard as you rightfully pointed out (USO, WTF, Olympics) than Novak has had vs Rafa on clay (2 masters).
     
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    Wow I thought Federer was a baby for crying after losing a long final, Nadal crying after he lost a SET? What a cry baby
     
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    RAFA2005RG- You made some good points in you're previous two posts about why the French final was so crucial to Rafa. I can see you're point on why he may have had some doubt, given his clay experiences with Nole in 2011. I still maintain my position however that Nole has had bigger opportunities besides that match. Nadal has only lost the one match (Soderling) on that court in his career and he had also had a great 2012 clay court showing leading into the French (he was the favorite-by all accounts) This was a huge opportunity to win another slam and the career slam (Nole) but there were previous milestones (like the world #1 Wimbledon match) that were maybe more important to him.
     
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    Lets not mince words here. Few years ago, doctors were guaranteeing that Rafa's career will be cut short due to this knee injury.
     
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    I have not heard a thing about Nadal crying at RG this year. Unless Trollzilla produces something to prove it, I don't buy it.
     
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    He would have been nº 1 even if he lost that Wimbledon final.

    Yeah, I was going to say the same. Sounds like the story that Nadal's grandma had said he was going into pro golfing after tennis.
     
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    A player would be crazy to say that before a match/tournament.

    Nope, he didn't say that.

    I don't think it was exactly expected considering how the clay season went in 2011.
     
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    Interesting discussion. I think Djoko will be an all time great when everything is said and done (bar unpredictable career threatening injury). The stats seem encouraging, certainly for one of the best in open era. Of course, he's nowhere near Fed and Rafa at the moment, still, there aren't that many players who got more than 4 slams and 2 consecutive year ends at #1 and only all time greats have had a season as spectacular as his 2011 one (at least in open era). Some stats for open era:
    Overall winning %: Nadal #2 with 82.7, Fed #5 with 81.6, Djoko #8: 79.2
    Indoor: Fed #5: 80.3, Djoko #14: 72.4, Nadal # 46: 64.2
    Outdoor: Nadal #1: 85.1, Fed #3: 82.1, Djoko #6: 81.0
    Clay: Nadal #1: 93.0 (!), Fed #9: 77.1, Djoko # 13: 76.7
    Grass: Fed #1: 87.3, Nadal #9: 80.6, Djoko #16: 77.0
    Hard: Fed #1: 83.0, Djoko # 6: 80.9, Nadal #13: 76.5 (note that on hard, Djoko's stat is better than both Sampras and Agassi...)
    slams: Nadal #2: 87.7, Fed #3: 87.0, Djoko # 6: 83.2 (there again Djoko is in front of guys like Lendl, Connors and jMac)
    masters (since 1990): Nadal #1: 83.0, Djoko #2: 78.9, Fed #3: 77.5


    I don't see any indication there that Djoko is not in the same ballpark as the very best in open era. He is top 8 or better in 5 out of 8 categories, top 15 in everything but grass. If anything, the only stat that doesn't seem to belong to a top player is Rafa's indoor one. Thankfully for Rafa, indoor has become pretty marginal as a surface. Some more:
    Titles: Fed #4: 76, Nadal #11: 50, Djoko #16: 34
    Only 14 players have won 5 slams or more in open era (and only 12 have won at least 3 out of the 4)
    Weeks at #1: Fed is #1, Nadal is #7 and Djoko is # 11 (but guaranteed to pass Edberg soon)
    Only 10 players have had more than 1 year end at #1, 9 of whom had consecutive year ends at #1, the exception being Nadal:
    Connors: 1974-78
    Borg: 1979-80
    McEnroe: 1981-84
    Lendl: 1985-87
    Edberg: 1990-91
    Sampras: 1993-98
    Hewitt: 2001-02
    Federer: 2004-07
    Djokovic: 2011- ?

    Given that Djoko is about 6 years younger than Fed and Nadal was exceptionally precocious, it seems reasonable to expect Novak's stats to keep improving in the near future but they're already pretty decent.
     
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    Except Federer was at the podium when he cried. Nadal was at home when he cried (did you know that rain stopped play in the 4th set and they continued the next day?). And Nadal didn't cry because of losing a set, Nadal lost because according to Toni he was convinced that the match was going to Djokovic (Nadal down a break in the 4th set, and had lost 3 slam finals in a row).
     
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    I'm not sure about this Crisstti. As I remember, the 2012 clay season was a completely different story, especially with regard to Novak. Going into to the French Open Nadal had pretty well rolled Djokovic in finals at Monte Carlo and Rome without dropping a set. Also you can add a straight sets win over Ferrer in the Barcelona final. His only clay loss going into the French was to Verdasco during the blue clay fiasco in Madrid. It seems that Nadal's clay wows from 2011 were long gone at the time of the French Open Final and he was back to his normal winning ways versus Nole.
     
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    Oh, I meant having a great clay season wasn't necessarily expected. By the time of RG he would have been the favourite.
     
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    So the difference is that Nadal covers up his pathetic cry baby mentality and lies to the public to look strong. the guy bawls his eyes out if a guy takes a set off him on clay because he thinks he will lose lmao. maybe he was fearing another beating. what a guy, cries to get the match taken off which save his arse and then STILL cries even though the officials helped him out. he probably cries if he drops a hotdog on the ground.

    Much more understandable to cry with defeat in a slam final you should have won with the whole arena and millions of viewers expecting you to talk. back in the confort of your room, 2-1 up in sets with the officials helping you to win? What a pansy.
     
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    I dunno where he comes up with this stuff but he always offers ammunition against himself.
     
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    Never mind.

    BAMOS!

    :roll:
     
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    This may be a bit overstated and critical of you but I certainly understand where you're coming from. I never like seeing my favorite players cry but it does certainly put things into perspective when you see how much it means to them (that they cry in front of millions) and they obviously would rather not have everyone seeing them that way.

    I've never seen Rafa do it publically but then again it was supposidly uncle Toni making this confession and not Rafa himself so... who knows if it really happened?
     
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    If it is nerves then he must jump in asap because leaving it longer will not help. If you fall off a horse then the sooner you get back on the better. I feel sorry about his stomach virus but I think he must do something positive about his decisions for the AO and not leave it until the last moment as he will start to lose respect from his fans. Who cares if the first few matches are not good as long as he has that determination to get back and we know what he can do once he gets back into his stride. He will have a new energy now after the break. I watched a recording of the French open the other day and I thought he looked jaded then and in need of a rest
     
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    it's embarrassing but it's an involuntary action,and the idea that Fed "stole" nadal's moment is pathetic rubbish from fedhaters. Notice that Federer fans don't criticise Murray for crying on Fed's win TWICE. What did Nadaldo when Federer cried? He comforted him because he is a decent human being who feels for someone else rather than use it against him. I would feel bad for Nadal if he cried at a loss.He did cry at Wimbledon 2007, the only difference was he did it backstage. But he knew how Federer felt. Also Federer has to stand up there and be articulate and give a long speech about why he lost etc, Nadal can get away with saying a few words in English and getting away.
     
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    All losers have to face the same thing after a final's match, waiting for the stage to be prepped in order for the trophies to be awarded. Nadal was gracious about it, but it's not like that last set was even close. I don't hate Fed, but as I said it's not one of his finer moments, and he was aware that his crying was hijacking Nadal's moment, he mentioned it.

    As far as Nadal being nervous, he is always in a lose lose with the haters. Something wrong with him if he says he's nervous, or if he says he's ready but hasn't played in earlier tournaments. The day Nadal retires, is the day this place loses tons to discuss in hating on Rafa.
     
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    So Andy Roddick is a fedhater? Andy said in an interview that he cringed watching Federer and that he felt badly for Rafa because Roger just wouldn't stop and was stealing Rafa's moment, that it should have been Rafa's time after such a great accomplishment.
     
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    Maybe that's why his stomach is upset. Pulling out of the AO was probably his best option...(silent ban)...
     
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    Where did you hear this? Any proof?
     
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    Please post the link.
     
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    The longer he stays out of the competition, the more nervous he will be.
     
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    Link?

    even if he did say that, Roddick is a prat anyway who has criticised Djokovic as well, so maybe he just likes to shoot his mouth off. And let's face it, he has plenty of reason to have a hidden grudge against Federer.

    All the bs about nadal's moment being stolen. He won the title, he made a speech, he had photos taken. He got his moment. As he did when he walked all over the roofs of Wimbledon like he owned the place. Federer should have stopped talking long before he did, but he was trying to regain composure and leave on a better note. Doesn't help when the crowd is cheering you. Anyone who thinks Federer chose to cry on purpose to steal Nadal's moment, is an world champion idiot.

    You treat nadal like he is some perfect being and admire him for being that way, but you don't act in that example at all. Nadal went and hugged Federer. You in the same situation would have probably gone over and pushed him the the ground yelling "this is my moment b****!" How you can admire Nadal for his "goodness" and act in such a generally bitter, petchulant and spiteful way to any of his rivals (like when Djokovic took over in 2011) is beyond me.
     
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    I applaud your post.
     
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    Haters sure act like that's exactly what he did...
     

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