Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by The Dark Knight, Jun 29, 2012.
Yeah, when I watched the clips after hearing the description I did think it had been exaggerated (he more brushed into him). The intent was still there, though.
Whatever you want to call it (a brush, a bump, coping a feel) it was intentional and gamey.
He pushed him with his forearm and checked him - a very subtle bump full of 'plausible deniability'.
Yes and he also clearly didn't apologise straight away. It's a terrible, childish attitude to have, remember all the dumb little kids look up to this ass so he best keep himself in check.
he was avoiding the microphones that's his excuse
That gif took me a whole three minutes to make; cheers for the credit.
Indeed. Ah well let the sad ones have their moment of glory. After all Nadal has denied them so many moments of glory in the last years.
That's why Nadal lost.. He crossed the line first.. He always let the other guy go first but he jinxed himself.. I wonder why none dare accidentally kick Nadal's water bottles.. that would tick him off..
"My elbow on your belly feels good, no?" :lol:
look, i ain't about to get into an endless argument about something that happened thousands of miles away from me and took two seconds, but any sane person with any kind of awareness of their body/limbs and the notion of "personal space" knows when they've encroached on someone else's "space".
preoccupied at work and walking down the hallway, texting while walking down the street, strolling down the aisle at the store . . . even if you're totally daydreaming or totally drunk, you know when you've gotten just a bit too close to someone. and the natural reaction is to look up and say "woops" or "sorry bout that" or "pardon me" or acknowledge that you've encroached.
of course, it's not a crime if you don't. but if you don't, well you can't be surprised if the other guy thinks you're a bit of a dick.
I actually laughed out loud at that one.
Watch the video closely, Rosol slightly turns into Nadal for a moment.
Rosol clearly was aware he was in the trajectory to bump into Nadal. He was setting to get into Nadals space and end up in a situation where he knew it would force Nadal or one of the two to take the subordinate position and move out of the way. He was consciously letting himself get really close and brush up against Nadal and get into Nadals head. Its like 2 guys walking down the street about to bump into each other one is forced to move out of the way. Except he was setting up the situation. He was forcing Nadal to move out of the way and that bump he wouldn't let go. Rosol was trying to push Nadals buttons like he had all game. Even the act throwing of the racket towards the net near the general direction of Nadal is a subtle act of intimidation towards ones opponent (had it been Nadal or Melzer or anyone).
I should have posted this earlier. There is something odd, and artificial about Rosol in his demeanor and his behaviour in the press interview videos I saw about him.
And just little subtle things. It almost seems that he enjoys damaging Rafas reputation. Reading the transcript it almost seems that Rosol gets joy and wants to slightly embellish this action that Rafa makes. He doesn't let it go. He knows the press will dig into it. Most other opponents would just forget about it or dismiss it. But Rosol doesn't let it go and reads deep into it as Nadal doing something negative. The entire game he was intimidating Nadal in a way.
time for a visit OP
Ahhh.....so now we know Nadals state of mind.
I don't think it was intentional at all. If you look at the video Rosol was sort of daydreaming and had his face in a towel.
Nadal was simply full of concentration and thinking . In fact of you look closely when nadal felt he was getting closer he actually pulled his shoulder away. That's why tey did not bump into each other.
Nadal barely touched him of at all.
Guys come on. This was nothing .
I'm neither pro or anti Djoko/Fed/Nad but from the gif you can see Nad does have to move his left arm to avoid the equipment. So where Rosol is standing only leaves a narrow space for Nad to get through.
I'm guessing Nad was probably pretty pissed he was losing badly to #100 in a early round and not thinking about carefully avoiding Rosol. That's not a bump or a "hit" especially if he's turning his body a bit sideways. What guy could seriously call that a hit or even a shove?
Exactly hes trying to embellish and exaggerate it and att he very least isn't letting it going and knows the press will eat it up. Watch that gif closely a few times, for a moment Rosol sortta turns into Nadal with his head and the cloth towel.
It was nothing, he rushed to his chair which isn't normal for Nadal, but there was no real bump.
It was just hyped up for the story.
you know what ... I think Rosol actually saw Nadal coming, covered his head with the towel and went ahead to try to reduce the space between Nadal and the black thing - very passive aggressive move right there.
nvm 10 char.
Very nice post, I also agree with your comment about "personal space".
Anyone else think this proves Nadal did check Rosol?... he clearly, its the sort of thing I remember doing in school as a kid!
Stevie Wonder could see it was intentional.
its threads like this that underscore how far people can go to support a cause.
and its scary.
but then you have Xiscab who says it's the sad losers blah blah...
being a sad loser is denying this!!!
I'm more interested in what Rosol did until that point, for Nadal was definitely pissed off
I only watched the 5th set, and there I didn't see anything special, except Rosol in zone
The real problem:
Nadal beat Federer in the greatest match of all time in Feds house.
Fed fans will never get over that.
Yeah he intentionaly barely brushed Rosols shoulder.
Come on at least he would do it right if it was intentional.
I think the fact that Nadal is always so humble that he pretty much always lets his opponent pass before him to the chair, that this looks strangely odd.
And it happened just after Nadal was verbally going at it with the umpire, he just happened to not let Rosol not pass before him, and he happened to be eager for once to get back to his seat. And Rosol at that point just happened to not have read the script on how the match was meant to go.
It was nothing.
Agree with P?'s analogy. It makes sense and isn't digging for hidden meanings.
Yea that's right... yea, it was Rosol, yea, that Rosol walked right into Nadal, yea, there was no bump, yea, it was just a brush, yea, it was nothing, yea, Nadal was just trying to avoid the cameras, yea, you guys are all just Nadal haters, yea, you guys are all just crazy... Oh, could you please pass more of the Kool-aid over here?
Indeed, you can see that very clearly. He would have had to defer to Rosol and let him go first for them not to(oh, so very slightly) bump into each other, and he just wasn't willing to do it like he always does. Probably because he was upset about something Rosol was doing, whatever it was.
Rosol could have moved away as well, and let Rafa go first... he might have been trying indeed to somehow intimidate and make Nadal stop, and he just wouldn't. In any case, Rosol is either a big crybaby, or he's a Fed lover Rafa hater like some here, given his ridiculous comments.
Nadal always allow the other player to walk across his path first, let him shake hand with umpire first too. He's very polite when he's winning, but this time it's a different story because he was losing the match. It's pretty clear he saw Rosol was heading toward his path and didn't bother to stop as he normally does it in the past. If Nadal was leading in the match, I'm sure he would politely stop and let Rosol go first instead of bumbing into him. Notice Rosol was walking slowly, had he was walking fast as Nadal, the impact would be much bigger.
There's been a million bumps in tennis. Only with Nadal do we never hear the end of it.
I didn't see anything that horrendous with this. Nadal "brushed" past him cause the other guy left little room for him to get past without bumping the camera. Rosol could have waited and let Nadal pass. However, Nadal was clearly annoyed with Rosol because under normal conditions, Nadal ALWAYS lets the opponent pass by first. That being said, I don't think Rosol cared too much - he was most likely elated that he annoyed Nadal so much...and the outcome of that was a victory for Rosol....
That he always does it doesn't mean he HAS to do it, does it?.
Also, it's BS he didn't because he was losing. He never did it against Djokovic, just to name one example.
The only reason such a big deal was made about the bump was that it happened right after Nadal flipped out to the chair.
Yep. You know this is par for the course,though. Nadal cannot do anything without it being seen as devious,and scrutinized to death. Fed curses out umps,break rackets,and makes arrogant comments but those things are just fine and the excuses for him get trotted out right on cue. Rolaids is allowed to say pure filth to the linesmen,curse and taunt the crowd,break rackets,break chairs,and act a fool but he's just passionate about tennis so it is excused. Nadal barely,and I mean barely brushes by a guy going back to his chair and it is made into a federal case,and the gallows are being readied(yet again) for his indescretions,even though he apologized 3 different times for it. It's all too typical around here,and I honestly find it so ridiculous it's hilarious.
Why would Nadal apologize? Rosol should have apologize for not giving Nadal room to pass by....
But why chose to be nice only when he feel good about himself(winning the match comfortably) but not when he's down?
I disagree. If Nadal was cruising through the match he wouldn't have bumped into Rosol.
It was nothing .
It was nothing .[/QUOTE]
it was such a nothing that nadal fans in other threads repeatedly asserted that Nadal apologized multiple times for a bump that didnt happen.
It was nothing .[/QUOTE]
Not only that, but Rosol clearly stopped. Why wouldn't Nadal keep walking? It would have been stupid to stop when Rosol was also stopped. What they should have both stopped and no one moved forward?
Rosol underestimated the width of Nadal's shoulders, he should have stopped a bit earlier.
One thing's sure, Rosol bumped Nadal
Rosol stopped. Nadal was so ready for a collision.
Again, it doesn't matter if he wouldn't have done it if he was winning easily. FACT is still, he doesn't do it when he's losing, otherwise he wouldn't have let Djokovic go through first in, you know, the 7 times in a row he lost to him.
He simply for some reason didn't feel like defering to Rosol there like he always does, probably because he was annoyed with him about something. But he did absolutely nothing wrong, he is in no way obligued to let the another player go first.
Not only that, but Rosol clearly stopped. Why wouldn't Nadal keep walking? It would have been stupid to stop when Rosol was also stopped. What they should have both stopped and no one moved forward?[/QUOTE]
Lol, exactly. Hilarious really. He stopped and let very little room for Rafa to go through, he would have had to either stop himsel and say, no, you go first, or tried to slide through what space there was, or do what he did.
I'm thinking the same thing. He's just too nice and apologizes when he doesn't even have to. I remember he apologized to Fish for a bathroom break in the WTF last year I think... It's exactly the kind of attitude that makes bullies target people like him, or Murray.
it was such a nothing that nadal fans in other threads repeatedly asserted that Nadal apologized multiple times for a bump that didnt happen.[/QUOTE]
It wasn't a "bump" but a "brush" .....your characterization of what occurred is wrong .
And even if you do it inadvertently you apologize.
It happens everyday in a coffee shop, department store , on the train.....you say
Sorry to let the person know you didn't mean it.
On the other hand I wish he did bump him.....I think that kind of fire is cool.
I'm sick of this metrosexual panzy Asz tennis. We need some players with balls like Connors or McEnroe
No man purse b.s.
Granted it was just a brush but the way nadal was walking he probably wasnt thinking straight and was tensed and then pulled back a bit as soon as he realized but he was going for the collsion no denying that but i agree its being blown way out of proportion this is completely amateur compared to Mcenroe/Connors
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