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  1. TennisFan3

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    The truth: Moonballing was not so much a tactics as it was Nadal having lost the feel on his backhand. Read Steve Tignor's article - he says the same thing. Nadal cannot sustain an aggressive backhand all through the match. His backhand was ok for the 1st set, but went south rapidly.

    Also Novak looks BETTER against Nadal than he does against others. On clay it becomes worse, as Nadal's forehand sit up at a nice height for Djokovic to attack. In IW/Miami when Rafa used to hit a big forehand - he won the point. On clay, Djokovic got everything back and took control eventually.

    It's not like Djokovic is totally unplayable. Belluci had him on the strings, so did Murray. I do believe that a shotmaker like Federer, Del Potro or even Murray could take out Novak in RG -if they play well..
     
  2. nadalbestclass

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    You say that like it's a given :shock:

    oh and he's still #1 :) Just saying...
     
  3. TennisFan3

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    GREAT post. Namelessone : do you believe that Nadal will get some outside help and improve the technique of his backhand as well as switch to more aggressive tactics on clay?

    Because as I said above, I honestly don't think Nadal will beat "this" Djokovic consistently until he changes a few things. Even if he tightens his game, he may get a few wins over the Djoker, but the Serb will always have the edge. Sort of like a Fed-Nadal matchup..
     
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  4. TennisFan3

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    As I said before: "Clay is the well spring from which Nadal flows". He gets all his confidence from his victories on clay and then takes them to grass and the later part of the year.

    This time it will be new territory for him. His clay season would be the worst of his career; he might lose at RG badly. Plus he's got a rival, he's expected to beat, but to whome he's losing in straight sets on his favorite surface and getting outplayed.

    Can Nadal put all this at the back of his mind and fire up his game on grass? Because if he does, he's better than the Djoker on grass - and can win Wimbledon IMO..
     
  5. TheTruth

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    Thanks, I was dying for you or namelessone to explain what was happening, but I couldn't get online because today was my son's birthday and we went out to dinner and bought a few games. Then when I came home I had to finish all the stuff I didn't do all weekend.

    Now, my computer is running as slow as mollasses and it's taking me forever to post and get a reply.

    I couldn't even find this thread that's how bad it was.
     
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    If Rafa loses French to Djokovic. It's over for Wimbly. Grass or no grass. Actually if Nadal loses RG the rest of 2011 is going to blow a lot of *&^% for him. He will not win any meaningful tournament. Maybe Tokyo. The breaking point will come eventually. He needs a big win desperately. Until then, I will hope a plane crashes on Novak's head.
     
  8. TennisFan3

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    For the French Open, Nadal has to pray that someone else takes out Djoker. Because from what I've seen so far, he ain't beating "this" Novak. It was a perfect scenario for Rafa in the Rome final, but he couldn't finish what Murray started a day ago against a Djoker who was admittedly stretching his hip and looking exhausted. but still playing like a demon :shock:

    Also, I honestly don't understand the reason why Nadal's year is lost if he doesn't win RG. He should go to Wimbledon and win there. What better way than that to get over the disappointment on clay?
     
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    Good post. Just not sure if he's going to win Wimbledon if he loses RG.
     
  10. TheTruth

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    Hilarious! Snarky, but truly funny.

    Good job!
     
  11. nadalbestclass

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    LOL, that is Djokovic being the biggest drama queen to walk this planet. That man was not the least bit tired, and either taking some serious drugs(sorry CMM), or sum other fishiness. I saw your posts for the last 2-3 days and I know you buy into his acts so not gonna argue that.

    Nadal's year is lost, because he's an idiot who needs to win all the time to believe he's a winner. No, because his 9 slams and 20(?) MS1000 titles are not enough. Or the fact that he is #1 and current holder of 3 slams. No, his winning is defined by what happened last tournament, and it's so god damn frustrating. SO if he doesn't win RG, then Wimbly will be a long shot, and no one expects him to win the USO again this year...so ya...
     
  12. TheTruth

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    NBC, you are so cute. You are really making me laugh.
     
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    Thank you!
     
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    I'm frustrated is what I am, and sad. Now that my classes are done, I have nothing to distract me. :(
     
  15. TennisFan3

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    Final Thoughts: I'm very disappointed by the Nadal camp.

    Does Tio Toni have any clue about how Nadal can still improve without drastically changing his playing style? Nadal's floating topspins have become more of a liability on clay as we saw Novak destroying at them in extended rallies. Novak can do whatever he pleases with those floaters and yet Nadal doesn't seem to recognize it!!

    Has Rafa become a Blake whose only plan was that if opponent hits it hard, you just have to hit it harder?

    Nadal's coach doesn't seem to understand why Nadal took a set off Novak in the previous hardcourt finals, and didn't even get to a TB in Madrid and Rome.
    IMO it's PLAIN to see why, and I am surprised they don't recognize this!


    Nadal has to raise his tennis IQ another notch higher. Novak's game has been the same since last year except that he now recognizes what does it take to beat his opponent on a consistent basis, and is more consistent himself.

    In the next few months we'll know how great Nadal REALLY is. But if he doesn't take external help and continues with these tactics stubbornly, he will decline - (if that hasn't started already)...
     
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    Short answer: NO.

    Long answer: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

    Look, the top players are VERY stubborn. Nadal has been hitting the BH with this technique since forever. Granted, he has hit it better in the past, but I thought he hit it pretty well in the first set yesterday.

    More aggressive tactics? I don't know what to tell you. Rafa was hitting the **** out of the ball yesterday,even DTL, and was given some breathing space off his BH when Novak's cc fh dropped short a couple of times. Rafa had no issue hitting his BH off a shorter Novak ball but any time it got deep, it was point djoker.

    In the first set yesterday, Novak got everything back but the only reason the scoreline was close was because Novak didn't engage Rafa's BH with depth. In the second set, any time he felt pushed back or whatever, he would send a shot to Rafa's BH side and even on slow shots with no pace on them, Rafa's long BH swing meant that he was vulnerable. Rafa knows this. In the first set, he mostly pushed a short ball off deep djoker BH but it got punished. In the second, out of desperation, he decided to moonball it deep only that was even worse.

    It's exactly the same Rafa-Fed dynamic only reversed.

    Top players don't change their games massively. Now to me Nadal has been playing mediocre CC tennis even before he reached Novak on clay but in Rafa's mind it's just enough to reach final. For the Rafa of now to beat this DJoker, he needs Djoker to start making some UE.

    It's nearly impossible to beat a guy that simply brings everything back and doesn't miss on 90% of his shots on both side. Rafa should know, he has been doing this on clay for six years running. Only now, besides his iffy form, he has a guy that does what he did in his clay prime.

    Rafa, like everyone else, has to wait for Novak to come back down to earth.

    You can't beat a player that doesn't miss.
     
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    Yeah, I guess that's how you Fed Fans feel everytime he loses against Rafa :oops:

    And no, Djoko needs to reach F to be #1 regardless of Rafa's results.

    Rafa needs to win RG and Djoko to lose before F to keep #1.
     
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    This might sound silly and I really get upset when Rafa loses a match, but for me there's a good side in all of this.
    All these defeats make Rafa look more human (if that makes any sense).
    I don't like to see him lose but I also hated when people were making it seem as if he's some kind of machine who destroys everything, especially on clay.
    Djokovic is showing that Rafa is vulnerable, just like any other person.
    I know this might not be a good thing for him and that other players might come up against him with more confidence and thinking that the guy is not unbeatable, but this is all natural and it had to happen at some point.
     
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    ^ I'd much rather this not be the point.
     
  20. TennisFan3

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    Good post. I also doubt Nadal changes anything fundamentally.

    That said, I don't think Djokovic is unbeatable. Murray, Belluci had him by a string.

    I think shotmakers like JMDP, Fed, Murray will have chances against Djokovic at RG - simply because guys like Fed can dominate with offense, and Murray can throw variety like no one else.

    And I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with some folks here that Fed probably has a better chance of beating the Djoker than Rafa does..
     
  21. TheTruth

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    This is how I see it too, Mustard.

    Think about how Nadal came on the scene. He can only play on clay. He's a dirtballer.

    He'll never win Wimbledon, it's too fast. He worked on his game and conquered the Big W fairly quickly.

    Then, he wasn't going to win on a hardcourt. He did, and in the most amazing fashion, by playing a 5 hr. match and coming back and beating Fed in another 5 set final.

    Then the USO was off limits, but it wasn't, because he beat his hc nemesis in the final. (I kind of thought Djoker would get payback), but it was worth it to me for him to complete the career slam.

    Soderling blew him off the court at FO, 2009, and what does he do? He learns how to handle the big hitters. Guys like Youzny, Blake, Soderling, and even del Potro this year didn't pose a threat with his hard groundies.

    Now, he's playing Djokovic who's playing out of his mind. This will improve his hard court game.

    I understand Nadal when he says life is suffering, because it is. You take what life gives you and keep improving. The clay hasn't really been a challenge for him lately, maybe he just got complacent.

    Nadal isn't going away. He has his mind on the big picture. He chased Fed for years and he'll chase Nole too. These four losses are going to motivate him once he clears his head and puts his nose to the grindstone.

    He played ok today. Too many errors and too predictable, but he'll get it together. I just know it. I think that's why it doesn't bother me so much.
     
  22. nadalbestclass

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    TF3 JMDP is done. He's not playing RG, and who the hell knows when he'll come back and when he'll recover. He i no threat to anyone for a while.
     
  23. namelessone

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    LMAO.

    Nadal is a legend already.

    He can hang his rackets tomorrow and he is a legend of the game.

    Tell me, what would you do if you were in the Nadal camp?

    One does not change his game/strokes massively. Nadal has had this BH technique for a long time. He can't just change it.

    Yesterday he went DTL more and it was the same result, with Novak bringing everything back and then abusing the Nadal BH.

    The only thing Nadal CAN do is stay closer to the baseline on ROS.

    Suggesting a return to flatter strokes is foolish. Nadal hasn't played like that since he was 17/18 and with a slam coming up, this isn't the time to experiment.

    It's the same thing like with Federer, when people were yelling at him to do this and that against Nadal.

    Short of getting a world class BH, there is nothing this Rafa can do against this Djoker. The reason why Murray hanged with Djoker two days ago was because his BH wasn't getting abused and surprisingly, he also held his own on fh side.
     
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    He's not missing because he's not being pressured ENOUGH. Djoker is definitely playing very well but is not unbeatable. No one is.
     
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    Of course he does. Why? Pace.

    The only way to beat Novak right now is with shots that have pace and depth but also consistent. The best example was the Bellucci match.

    Rafa's fh is best for sending deep spun balls but most of all with sending you off court with those crazy angles. Well, Djoker is almost always there(even after the doubles alley) to send those balls back and since Rafa can't generate enough pace, the very next ball he gets abused on the BH side.

    Now Roger also has issues off his BH side and isn't as fit as Djoker IMO but he does have that forehand that can pop up at any time and give him a major advantage.

    Only major problem Roger has is that he will have to rally long with Djoker cause he will get everything back and I don't see him doing that nowadays. Maybe Fed from 2006-2007 on clay but not 2011 Fed.
     
  26. TennisFan3

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    True. To me the BEST Djokovic played was at AO. There, he definitely looked unstoppable.

    On clay, he's pushed by Lopez, Belluci, Ferrer, Murray etc. He's DEFINITELY not unbeatable. Not even close IMO.

    What are the other decent players (not named Rafa) he beat easily? Unless you're telling me that Wawrinka and Soderling (who need 3 MPs against Verdasco) are the BIG threats?

    It's just a fact that top guys are NOT doing that well on clay. JMDP is on another injury, Fed's being inconsistent and Soderling's off his game. I do believe that Djokovic will be tested at the F.O. Not perhaps by Nadal, but by other guys..
     
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    Wow, CMM. I can't believe you said that. I thought I was the only person who felt that way. I don't want to root for someone with "superhuman" powers. I want my guy to be human and relatable.

    I think in life when things are going so great, it gets you off track and makes you complacent. Then, whether it's intentional or not you lose focus and lack the sincere desire to improve. Why should you, when things are going gravy?

    Rafa needs a challenge. Djokovic will give him this. I don't think he would ever be satisfied with sitting on top of the heap, resting on his laurels. He needed a kick in the butt and he got it.

    Lately, he has lacked fire in his eyes and in his body language. It was more like he was going through the motions.

    Now, he has something to work for. Rafa needs a goal. That's what I like about him.
     
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    Well that's because it's near impossible to put pressure on Djoker right now since nearly every shot comes back with interest.

    Bellucci won a set by hitting deep spun forehands close to the baseline and hitting his BH real heavy. And even then Novak came back when Bellucci couldn't keep it up.

    Ferrer grinded his teeth and everything else to win a set off Novak and only did so while his BH kept up.

    Murray also played some lights out tennis and was within a couple of points from winning.

    What do all these guys have in common? They hit their BH big and didn't allow Novak to abuse them most of the time. Bellucci doesn't normally hit his BH that big but when he did, he posed trouble for Novak. Once his BH reverted to more "normal" standards he was toast.

    Nadal doesn't have a great BH and furthermore, he has a long backswing on it and it is vulnerable on high balls. Point is, Rafa needs a lot of time to set up his BH shot. He used to have that time by pounding everyone into submission with his fh but that doesn't work against Novak Djokovic.

    He has to rally on both sides now and his weak BH is exposed.
     
  29. DragonBlaze

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    Has he ever! Seriously, I don't follow Rafa as much as Fed but dam he just seems so meek and timid these days. Or maybe that's just the impression I got. I hope he can get that 6th FO.
     
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    I didn't mean to say Nadal is NOT great. He's definitely great, a legend perhaps.

    But if he wants to be at the top tier of Laver, Sampras, Fed and Borg - he will need to overcome this challenge and win 4-5 majors before he signs off.

    Anyway w.r.t the game - I'm not saying that Nadal start hitting flat, hard like teenage Rafa. But he can make these subtle changes, which are NOT drastic, but together should be enough for him not to get embarrassed.
    Things such as:

    1) Flatten out his forehand a little - he does that on hardcourts,. but on clay he tries to give EVEN more spin. Newsflash: Spin does NOT help against djoker. I mean average net clearance more than 100 cm is ridiculous! It's usually around 80 on hardcourts.

    2) Improve his backhand a little (especially DTL) and develop a slice , as he did in USO 2010. Instead of floating moonballs , at least slice -so that the ball dips, and changes pace. We saw how SUCCESSFULLY Murray used the slice against the Djoker. That's being a all round player.

    3) Stand close to the baseline on neutral rallies: Because Nadal is so defensive - he's vulnerable to short angled balls to his backhand which push him off laterally, and leave the court open for his opponent. STAND UP, closer, and cut of the angles for heaven's sake!

    4) Aggressive ROS: Need to stop shaking hands with linesmen. At least return from where he does on hardcourts. It's clear that, unlike the past, Nadal CANNOT get consistent depth returning from that far back. 50% of his ROS are short, and every SINGLE time Novak took him to the woodshed.

    5) More placement on serve: Use the lefty kicker on the AD side and out wide serve on the deuce side. Backhand serving too unpredictable. And yeah...get the Jesus serve of UsOpen back!

    6) Net game: Needs to volley more, because he cannot stay with these guys off the baseline.. For someone with such good hands at the net, Nadal comes very less to the forecourt..
     
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    I didn't see the lopez match but those other three pushed Novak hard because:

    a)they have very good BH, even bellucci, who isn't famed for his, hit it with authority.

    b)they stayed in the rallies with novak ON BOTH SIDES of the court, so again the BH is a crucial factor.

    Nadal has hit his BH much better in the past but it will never me a world class shot like a murray/safin/djoker/nalbandian and so on. It was a solid rally shot but it was rarely exposed cause Nadal could move people around so well with his forehand.

    Now Novak is dealing with Rafa's fh easily, whether angled,DTL or deep and knows that he can reset the point simply by hitting to the Nadal BH with some depth. And even if he drops the ball short on Nadal's BH, most Rafa can do with that backswing is send it back crosscourt(usually short, at a tight angle)
    that Novak's fh eats up.
     
  32. TheTruth

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    The last time I remember seeing him with fire in his eyes was the USO. He wanted that and he wasn't going to let anything get in his way.

    Maybe he's having a letdown after accomplishing something he probably never thought he would achieve. Now, it's hard to get his mojo back, but that's temporary.

    I remember when Fed went through that and people were saying he was done, but I disagreed. I still do.

    Right now he's just lacking the same fire and intensity, because it gets to the point of where do I go from here?

    Npw don't get mad at me, but here's what I think:

    Regardless of what some FedFans says, that h2h against Rafa really bothers him. He's in a quandary, does he try to take out Djokovic and face Rafa again and further increase that h2h? Seriously, during Australia he looked to be struggling with that, and his presser was very telling. He said, "I was looking ahead to the final and trying to conserve energy."

    So think about it, if you're Federer and you have the opportunity to play Rafa again in the AO final, but the last time you faced you have a huge advantage because Rafa was supposed to be so exhausted. In the heat of battle things are running through your head, but they're not clear. I think Fed succumbed and then was maybe being too hard on himself.

    So how did pull off that miraculous run at the WTF? Because he didn't have to worry about Rafa in the final. He knew he could beat indoors so he blew through the field because there was no signs of imminent danger.

    Sorry Nadal fans. No more positing from me. And no more Fed talk.

    Back on topic.

    Why Rafa why?
     
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    Lol. I used to be like this. I was part of that rafa board, and believe me every time Rafa lost (EVERYTIME no matter what tournament) I cried and ranted all over the board and started threads for the sole purpose or ranting and crying.
    But as time goes you develop a tough skin. (or maybe i'm just numb :confused: ) It's a good thing that he doesn't win EVERYTHING and when he does win and doesn't always do it in an easy manner because when stuff like this happens you can tolerate it a bit more. If Nivak keeps winning everything it will be tough for his 12 fans to stomach when he doesn't win as dominantly. This is one reason why fed fans found it so hard and shattering when Rafa came on the scene, because Fed was rather dominant and how dare that little jumping spanish punk disrupt his flow. :mrgreen:

    ANYWAY, thanks for the articles every one. Haven't read them yet, and I look forward to reading all posts too but maybe I shouldn't with some of you negative, pessimistics :twisted:
     
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    I'd be careful with statements like that, as true as it is. I have the feeling that Nadal's decline will be ugly and relatively quick compared to Feds.

    You're just asking to get every future Nadal loss rubbed in by some here...
     
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    As if that won't be the case either way :)

    We have a large number of Nadal haters around TW.
     
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    Saw this sentence on the ESPN story about the Rome final today...

    "At one point in the second set, Nadal began hitting high balls, almost like the moon balls seen on the women's tour years ago."

    Just thought it was kinda funny.
     
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    True.. :)
    But some will surely take posts like the above as trolling invitation.

    It's a good sign of Nadal still having many haters, means he's still relevant.
     
  38. babbette

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    Oh be quiet it wasn't a trolling invitation it was a fact! And i'm not just talking about people on this board. Some people hate/hated Rafa just for the fact he beat Roger and nothing else.
    Well Novak has done it too, why doesn't he get the hate that Rafa did from fed fans? No at the moment Fed fans would rather rejoice in the fact that Rafa is being beaten by someone else. It doesn't matter who,as long as he's getting beat. Sweet revenge for Roger right? :rolleyes:
    Buzz off if you're coming to this thread just to gloat. It just makes you look like idiots lost in desperate limbo. Pick a side and add some positive contribution to that side don't just spew hate and mocking for the side you hate.
     
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    What did you expect?
    Nadal has attacked Federer's backhand and outdefended him for 7 years. It's hardly surprising that some enjoy that exactly the same is happening to Nadal right now.

    I'm long past the point where I care much about how well Djokovic, Nadal and Federer hit a fuzzy yellow ball over the net. I still like to watch great tennis, which those two definately showed a lot of in the last two tournaments.
    It's more the psychological part that interest me right now. It really is a case in point of "What goes around comes around", funny to see how people deal with it.
    The hardcore Djokotards will learn it too, some for the second time :D
     
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    Maybe because many Nadal fans are also Novak fans?

    I am sad for Rafa not just cause he is losing finals, but because I know he can play much better than this on clay.

    But on the other hand, it's hard not to like the new found maturity of Novak Djokovic on court. What he is doing now is historic and he deserves it after so many years of playing second fiddle to Fedal.

    Wonder what Murray will bring to the table next year :twisted:
     
  41. babbette

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    When you put the bolded it like that it just reminds me of how proud I am of all he's achieved thus far. I love him :mrgreen: If he takes a year out and Djokovic at the top is all tennis has to offer tennis will be as boring as it was for a while B.F(before Fedal). B.F i used to watch tennis here and there because it's been in my family but was never gripped until nadal and I think it's been the same for many people, not all, but many people.
     
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    Yep, we sure do because he is so easy to hate. So many reasons I won't even bother listing them all. Why else do you think crowd always cheers for his opponents everywhere other than Spain. Its' not because people like the underdog since Fed even in his prime was loved by the vast majority of spectators.
     
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    Clearly, Nadal has many haters among the crowds.

    That's why he is mobbed everywhere he goes and his practice sessions are full.

    Also, Nadal is hated by his fellow pro's , as evidenced by the Edberg award they gave him last year.
     
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    Nadal complained he doesn't get the same positive crowd like federer does..so yea he is mobbed:))
     
  45. CMM

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    That's not true.
    I remember that in the fifth set of the Wimbledon 2008 final people were cheering for Rafa.
    At the WTF against Murray it was the same story, even though Murray should have been the crowd favourite.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f5KpHYFb2U&feature=player_detailpage#t=290s
     
  46. DragonBlaze

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    LOL

    I have to agree with babbette. With Fed not looking too great, if say Rafa truly was in decline (which I dont believe, he shall bounce back), and Djoker and Murray is the best tennis has to offer, I won't be watching nearly as much.

    I'm enjoying Djoko vs Rafa right now, but if it was just Djoker, no thanks!
     
  47. niff

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    I think Djok's current game is really cool :(
     
  48. namelessone

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    How is it not just Djoker?

    The guy is 39-0 this year.
     
  49. TMF

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    No point in comparing to Roger b/c no other players including rafa on the tour has no fans than him anyway.
     
  50. DragonBlaze

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    I think it's cool how he just came out of nowhere and is just whooping everyone's ass. It's so crazy, and you're right I guess, I do enjoy him playing against the top players.

    I just wouldn't watch Djoker play against some random qualifier you know? I mean his high level is interesting to watch. The fact that he is just NOT missing at all. However, his game by itself, I'm not a big fan of.

    I don't think I'm making myself very clear...

    Good point lol. What I meant was I'll watch Djoker against the top guys but I can't watch him against someone random like I can with Roger and Rafa.
     
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