Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by bolo, Mar 9, 2010.
It's not only the number.
Turns out Nadal will not play Davis Cup against Austria (April 6-9) after all. Ferrer will play instead of Nadal. So it will be Ferrer and Almagro in singles, and Marc Lopez/Marcel Granollers in doubles. The article says Nadal was "not selected" by Alex Corretja (but I suppose Nadal was the main advisor to Corretja in that decision). I think it's a reasonable decision by Nadal. And I still don't understand why he is playing Barcelona. Maybe it has to do with the requirements that you have to play at least one ATP 500 event or something like that.
I thought Ferrer said last year would be his last davis cup
Not exactly. I don't think so, at least. He didn't say that it would be the last one, but that he would play less from now. I'm actually surprised that he plays this tie.
Guys, I don't think we should let cc0509 hijack this thread... she's obviously upset with fans who don't criticise their favourite player - which clearly to her mean they "worship" such player -, and she's sure she's the objective fan here because she has made some (sometimes unfair) criticisms of Fed.
She also doesn't want to see the obvious difference between what someone like Vernon posts and what haters post. May I suggest we either ignore such posts by her or report them, at least on this thread...
About this, he said before the AO that most players agreed about the ATP needing changes, and that he was tired of being the only one to speak about about it, saying therefore he might resign, which he did now. It's very clear that he thinks the other players who he's saying agree should also say something. That is the lack of support he's referring to, not a lack of support for the changes proposed.
Good. It's kinda funny how they all claimed they wouldn't play this year. It doesn't appear like they feel they can really refuse.
Come on girls. Stop fighting. Or at least make it interesting.
The article in Marca this morning says the reason for his pulling out of DC is that his knee tendinitis started bothering him again at IW and continues in Miami. Says that although the pain is bearable, he intends to undergo treatment right after Miami before the clay season.
Many many others. Some people are really sick.
I'm glad Rafa's not going to play too. Yes, it's something he really enjoys, and yes it's at home in Spain, and yes it would have been good warmup on clay for the upcoming season, but some rest will do him more good. I'm very happy for Marc that he's getting to play again.
And yep about the 500 requirements. They have to play 4 of them through the year so Barcelona is surely one of the ones that is best for him. It's his home tourney and it's on clay and it has such rich traditions for Spanish players.
You're absolutely right. I went away for a few days but s/he just got into it with a bunch of others. Obviously just looking for a fight.
This. Plus he didn't say he didn't have the support of the players (the media, as usual, with their twisted stories), he said he didn't have the support of some of the Board. There have been plenty of players who have backed him and have said so but of course that doesn't make a juicy story for the media to play up. Hopefully his resignation will reduce some of the stress he's been feeling but he must still be very frustrated that he couldn't get some things accomplished that he feels strongly about.
Oh crap. The dreaded knee tendinitis again. It's good they've found some treatment for it but it must be very mentally tough to have this problem reoccur over and over again. At some point he's going to begin questioning whether it's all worth it, if he isn't doing so already.
Anyone know what happened to the thread about Rafa's resignation from the ATP council?
Probably was so full of idiocy from the Nadal haters that the mods zapped it, which is good, but they allow so much other crap it really makes you wonder what their standards are.
It would seem that given the knee pain, Nadal would have a lighter schedule. Yet his clay schedule is overloaded with Barcelona thrown in for good measure, along with 3 Masters' 1000 and RG.
How long can Nadal keep undergoing the PRP treatments and overplaying? He has to question whether he should restrict his hardcourt schedule.
The fact that his knees are bothering him so soon after a 6 week rest may indicate that the relapses are getting quicker and the no-pain cycles are getting shorter..
Hard courts are especially nasty for those kinds of problems. During the Nadal match with Nishikori today, one of the commentators in the French language sports channel here in Quebec (RDS) said that 2 weeks playing on hard courts are about the equivalent of 2 months playing on clay as far as wear and tear to the body.
Many threads get deleted, CMM. Too many untolerable posts, I guess. the discussion was probably out of control.
True. Overloading on clay tournaments sounds more sensible. Still, the reason this is slightly alarming is because Nadal is coming off a long break and he played only till SF in IW. So it's not like he has a lot of hardcourt mileage at this time, compared to others who've played Dubai, Rotterdam as well.
Perhaps Rafa should consider NOT playing doubles on hardcourts. Every little bit helps..
Hahaha!!! Papa and Tio Toni aren't too enthused about the doubles match! :lol:
Just quoting this because if anyone thinks Nadal can't ever beat Djokovic again when Rodders beat Federer last night, well think again!
Most of us worshipers are quite confident that Rafa will beat Djokovic again.
It would be too simple. Doubles count for absolutely nothing in this, TF3. If we were talking about exhaustion, maybe. But compared to the wear and tear of the singles, it's nothing. I'm sure it counts less than many training sessions. And it's a form of training session too.
Yeah but who wants to wait until he plays on the seniors tour?
This is an amazing likeness. When I was scrolling down I thought it was him. It's the best likeness I've ever seen (that I can recall).
I agree. I'll use this option if the problem persists.
Damn it :-?
This is quite worrying. He just took a break and didn't he have the treatment done just a few months ago?.
It is a pity. But I think it's good he's decided to focus on his tennis. He can rejoin politics in another moment...
Actually, I get the impresison they rather easily get posts deleted, IF one reports them. I think that's more the problem than the mod's standards. I didn't feel like reporting any posts for quite a while, but I've decided many of them - particularly the ones accusing a player (usually Rafa) of doping are just not acceptable, and after all there's a reason this is a moderated forum.
I do think it's a pity that whole threads that in themselves are interesting and valid, like the one about Rafa resigning from the players' council, the one about that article by that British journalist, get erased, instead of particular posts in them.
I do hope he takes as much time as he needs to be fine for RG, Wimbledon, Olympics, so that he withdraws from tournaments if necessary...
If he's going to get the treatment done after Miami, is he going to have to withdraw from any tournament???.
Probably not. He'll have a couple of weeks before Monte Carlo and although ideally you should rest and train and rehabilitate for several months after these treatments, in the past he's been back on the court after only a week. This article says that in a telephone call he told them the knee had started to bother him while he was still in Mallorca. Can you translate it properly? The google translation is horrible. http://www.as.com/tenis/articulo/rafa-nadal-llegare-rodilla-pueda/20120327dasdasten_10/Tes
I just feel so badly for him. He's got talent coming out the wazoo, his attitude and will to win is off the charts, his work ethic is exemplary, and these injuries must be terribly frustrating for him. And before some of the wise guys come on here and say it's his own fault because of the way he plays, it's not. It's the result of a congenital problem with a bone in his foot. They knew when it was diagnosed that the treatment that would allow him to play with the foot problem would cause stress on other parts of his body and these knee problems are the result. It's something he has no control over whatsoever and he deserves immense credit for fighting through it. Hang in there Rafa. Your fans will support you all the way.
What do you mean the treatment? We don't know what he needs. Roig gave an interview to the Spanish television and said the treatment will be pain killers, ice packs and rest.
Besides, his problem is that he's playing on hard courts. Once he gets some rest and the clay season starts he should be fine.
That treatment may have been what they were doing when Roig was with them in Indian Wells but Roig isn't there anymore, he's half a world away. Uncle Toni, who is right there on site with Rafa, was the one who said Rafa would have a treatment on his knee as soon as Miami was over. But you're right about the hard courts. Rafa and his whole team can't wait to get off them.
Here's what Rafa had to say in his press conference today about the Player's Council thing. He doesn't sound too fussed about it all. http://www.sonyericssonopen.com/News/Tennis/2012/Interview-Transcripts/Rafael-Nadal-27-March.aspx
No, Roig was asked about what Rafa will he do after Miami. I haven't read any statements from Toni. Do you have a link?
Rafa spoke to TVE after the match and said that he already got his knees treated before Indian Wells.
It still hurts but he says that he will get some rest before the clay season starts and he should be fine.
LOL...i am getting bored.Pls entertain me.Can you POLE DANCE for me??
“The knee started bothering me while practicing in Mallorca, before coming to the US. I went through treatment, but it started acting up again at Indian Wells, and now it’s hurting again. Maybe it’s because I played so intensely in Australia. It’s a little bit bad and it takes away some of the intensity, especially during practice. But I am in the quarterfinals without losing a set, and I’ll keep at it as long as I can. Afterwards I have two weeks of rest before the start of the clay season.”
Lol about what Ljubicic is quoted as saying there: "Rafa is impatient, he wants it all as fast as in the tennis court, that energy is positive, but if we had two Nadals it'd be a disaster"
Ljubicic is a moron who did jack all the whole time he was head of the players council. He is also a Fedminion who as soon as Fed says jump he says how high. He would go along with anything Fed says no matter what it is.
And I laugh at his bs about Nadal being impatient. The players council hasn't accomplished any significant changes for the players for decades. Just how long does he expect these players to wait before anything gets done?
I hadn't heard that. I thought the only thing they've done for the foot problem is bandage?.
Tendinitis is genetic anyway, as far as I know.
The article is similar to what Benhur posted:
The Spanish Rafael Nadal, second favourite in Miami, admitted that the injury in his left knee conditions him and that he will try to get 'as far as he can'
'Physically, I have some pain in the kneethat came up before I left from Mallorca to play Indian Wells. Un Indian Wells it hurt some more and here, in Miami, I have already started with problems', said Nadal to Teledeporte from the court after defeating the Japanese Kei Nishikori.
'When one isn't perfect victories are more important and I'll get as far as I can'. After Miami I've got two weeks to rest and recuperate before Montecarlo starts'.
The world number two admitted that against Nishikori he went from 'less to more'. 'I started with doubts and having the knee bad doesn't allow me to work as much as I want. It's requiring more effort from me. I'm in quarters without losing a set and now every match whatever happens has a value. I'll do what I can'.
I don't think it seems like a good idea to keep playing like this. It's not that important. I think he should probably withdraw...
I think so too,but Nadal will keep playing on his busted knees until they are ground down to dust. He does not listen to his body,and just as he did in 2009 he is playing with bad knee tendonitis that will eventually cost him titles he could have won just like it did then. Miami is not that important,and I hope Jo Willie beats him today and sends him home. It would be the biggest favor this stubborn fool Nadal could ask for right now.
Rafa will be fine. He'll probably get his knees taped up real nice for his QF match tonight. He has plenty of time to rest after Miami so might as well try to defend the points or perhaps even win this thing, if he can. Federer is breathing down his neck in the points race, so this is a nice time for Rafa to pull away a little bit now that Fed hemorrhaged 300-something points.
Come on, as a Nadal fan u should be rooting for him no matter what. Surely you don't WANT him to lose today?
Well of course I want him to win,but for his own sake I think it would be best if he didn't. Do you remember how he played on busted knees in 2009,costing him RG and probably Wimby? I sure do.
WTF are those Pepto Bismol colored shoes? :shock:
Ronaldo's football boots.
They will post the full video on Friday.
You are really funny. I'm hoping he goes out too. It wasn't a great decision to take off a month and then come back and play singles and doubles in consecutive tournaments. Rest is needed, and Miami isn't that important in the overall scheme of things.
Uhm, Ljubo was probably the fairest person on tour while he was around. When he announced his retirement lots of people and commentators said they hoped he could still be around the ATP on the advisory side of things.
It appears we're all right. Initially Ljubicic wasn't very nice to Nadal. Lately, he has recanted some of the things he said in the past. But, back when Ljubicic was still a factor he did seem to mirror whatever Federer said and did, as they are great friends.
Thankfully, he found his own voice and opinion.
Note: Thanks for teaching me the multiquote. I still need a little practice as right now it's hit or miss .
It's always good to see you defending Rafa
Hadn't quite noticed, but it's true Ljubicic's comments seems kind of... dismissive or something.
Yeah... on one hand I agree he should stop if he's in pain, but then I was thinking about a very good interview with him I watched the other day, from mid-late 2009, and he talked about how, in retrospective, he should have stopped some weeks before RG and rested, but that it was hard for him to be able to tell when the pain was really indicative of something serious, because he very often does play with pain on his knees and is fine.
So, I think if he would stop playing whenever he has pain, he would not play very often... :neutral:
That is quite interesting.
I'd have thought you'd think he will be fine because he was faking an injury?.
^^When did I say that Rafa was faking an injury? I've already said that Rafa is my 2nd fave player on the ATP. I may not agree with him taking an MTO right before Nishikori's serve, but I didn't deny that he was in pain....
You seemed to agree with those who were saying he did... good to know you didn't then.
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