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  1. Rocky89

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    He has never said he is against testing for doping, in fact during that same interview he said he is all for it, he just doesn't particularly like the process. Big difference. How exactly does that make him look guilty?

    Nadal has always had a strong opinion on many topics, who cares? Why can't he say what he thinks? Having an opinion doesn't necessarily mean you are whining.
     
  2. Crisstti

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    That was really not my question. Couldn't the testers see if you have a vial or something in you when they see you pee?, what is the need for the rest then?.
     
  3. Clarky21

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    Then what should they do differently? He makes no suggestions and instead just whines about it(again).


    And it does make him look guilty when he whines about OOC testing. OOC testing is an absolute must, and as it is tennis doesn't do anywhere near enough of it. If he is serious about anti-doping then he needs to accept that OOC testing is necessary as is the testing itself. Moaning about it all the time accomplishes nothing but casting suspicion on yourself.
     
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    The reason they have these people lift their shirt and take off their pants is so they can see if that person is hiding anything. How else can they see if someone has a false bladder on them, or anything else that people have used over the years to cheat the drug tests? It's common sense why they have to have the player do the testing in front of them.


    And if testing is really as stringent as Nadal tries to make it out to be, he should be used to this after all of these years should't he?
     
  5. Crisstti

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    But what Nadal is saying is that by having the player do the testing in front of them, they should be able to see if you have a false bladder on you. How could they not spot a false bladder when they're watching the player pee?. He's not saying the testing shouldn't be done in front of them. He's saying the previous part seems unnecessary.

    Rafa has been accused of doping by certain people since long ago, so I guess he figures his complaining wouldn't make a difference, lol.

    Plus he just doesn't seem to be much of keeping his opinions to himself if he feels strongly about something.
     
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    I don't get what you're saying. He was complaining about having to lift his shirt, drop his pants, and do a complete 360 in front of the WADA agent. I was saying that they have to do that to make sure someone doesn't have anything on them. They also have to watch the person give the sample because letting player's run off to the bathroom alone is just asking them to cheat. They have no choice but to watch. There is no other way.
     
  7. Crisstti

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    He's not complaining about the WADA agent watching. He saying that by watching the player give the sample they should already be able to see if he has anything on him, making the 360º thing unnecessary.
     
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    After all that he is most concerned about having to do a 360? Lol. Nadal is just being a crybaby about this if that's his problem.
     
  9. Crisstti

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    But you're not saying if you agree with him that it's unnecessary :).

    He finds it demeaning, and I have to say I agree with him, particularly if it's not necessary like it appears to be the case.

    I guess people just feel differently about this kind of things and it bothers him more than it would you maybe.
     
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    I DO think it's necessary. They do it to make sure the person isn't hiding anything in back of them. How else are they supposed to check them? It won't kill him to do a quick 360 during anti-doping. He needs to get over it.


    And besides, we have all seen his ass before since he decided it was a smart move to strip down naked and change his shorts on a boat out in the open. He needs to stop the bellyaching and grow up.
     
  11. Crisstti

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    Why does it matter if he is if he cannot use it because they have to give the sample in front of the WADA agent?. They check it by watching the player give the sample, how could they miss it?.

    Lol, I guess he underestimated the zoom in the "journalists'" cameras.
     
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    He isn't even really complaining. He says he doesn't like that part of the procedure and imo he has every right to say that. He does not lose the right to express a personal opinion just because he is an athlete who is subject to doping controls.

    [QUOTE ] Clarky21;
    And if testing is really as stringent as Nadal tries to make it out to be, he should be used to this after all of these years should't he?

    As you know visits to the gynaecologist don't become more tolerable through frequency of visits. In fact I would say the opposite is true, you come to dread it. The same could be said of the procedure used in the doping control, and again imo what makes it more odious is that it takes place in your own home, or hotel room, your own space is invaded. A visit to the gynaecologist is pre-arranged, you psyche yourself up for it and it takes place in the neutral place of a Dr's office or clinic.
     
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    This is true, but giving a pee sample is hardly like having to submit to a gynocology examination. I would submit a pee sample daily, including the dreaded 360 turn around if it meant I could avoid the invasive nature of the gynocology exam.
     
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    He's objecting to it, saying it's unnecessary, and I don't see any good argument to counter that.

    But yeah, he has a right to say it and I'm glad he knows that and doesn't shut up because others might think it makes him look suspicious or whatever. Plus, he's really saying nothing unreasonable. This intrusive procedures should be kept to the minimum necessary, and he's simply saying that part isn't necessary.


    Good points.
     
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    The counter is that people cheat, and will go to any length to cheat. They hide things where you would never think anyone would ever hide anything. Even the lowliest of druggies can create a false bladder in order to fool the drug tests, so I'm sure these muti-millionaire ahtletes can definitely do the same.


    Also, people will shove things up their ass and hide things in every crevice imaginable. People can be very resourceful if they want to get away with something. They have to be able to see these folks from the back as well to be certain. There are too many cheaters out there so it has to be done. Afterall, why do you think they came up with making them turn around in the first place? Because no one ever cheated this way, forcing them to?


    Kind of, but as I already said, comparing peeing in a cup to how invasive a gynocology exam is really doesn't hold water. Comparing them is like apples and oranges.
     
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    I'm sure they can. But just how could the testers not notice if the player was taking the urine out of anywhere but their own penis?. That's what Nadal is saying there, and I do not see how could the testers possibly not be able to notice that by watching the player give the sample.
     
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    Ask the cheaters and they'll tell you. If no one had ever cheated this way then there would be no 360 turn. And like I already said, people can be very sneaky when it comes to drug testing. They can and will go to any lengths possible to fake a drug test. Just think of all the possibilities and there will be someone who has attempted them.

    I also still think he is making a big deal out of nothing. Turning around bothers him more than having his junk and ass showing to some stranger? I would be more concerned about having to drop my pants in front of them than I would be about doing a turn.
     
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    So you can't imagine how. I can't either and Nadal is saying exactly that. Why should we assume it's necessary just because the ITF (or whoever decides this) says so?. We are having no problem in saying the testing isn't good enough despite them insisting otherwise.

    I think it bothers him more because he sees it as unnecessary.
     
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    But why does he think it's unnecessary? It's just a routine part of the drug testing. I just don't understand what his problem is with doing a 2 second turn.


    And I am not going by what WADA says; I am just using my own common sense. Is Nadal so sheltered that he doesn't know that junkies have been trying to beat the drug testing with fake urine and even other people's urine for decades? If so then he needs to get out more and away from his very exclusive, all Mallorcan circle.
     
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    I'm certain that using a male catheter, ones own self urine from a previous day could be injected into the penis prior to a test taking place.

    Catheters are used not only for withdrawing body fluids but also for introducing fluids.
     
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    That is so nasty, but people will do ANYTHING to pass a drug test if they think they will come up dirty.
     
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    But we've been going over that. He's saying anything they should notice they should notice by watching the player give the sample, which would make the turn unnecessary.

    It would seem you are, since you don't know why the turn would be necessary, but are assuming it is.

    I'm sure he knows. He's saying that should be covered by the WADA official watching the player give the sample.

    OK, that's an idea (a pretty disturbing one at that...). But in that case the player would need to know beforehand when the test is going to take place, wouldn't he?.

    EDIT: Also, if it was done before the test the 360º turn would not detect it, and if it would be there in that moment it would noticeable when watching the person give the sample.
     
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    Why Wasn't Rafael invited to Federer party in Brazil ?
     
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    I told you why it is necessary. They have to be sure you have nothing on you. That's all there is to it. He can say all he wants that they are watching him so they don't need to do the turn, but like I said, people will fake all kinds of things to pass drug tests. I've heard of them using a fake bladder with a plastic tube ran down their ass crack and underneath so they can attempt to trick the testing. They have to see them from all sides. That's it.


    And he has said nothing that would make it unnecessary except that he felt it demeaned him. Well, that's too bad because if he wants to continue making millions of dollars hitting a yellow ball over a net, I think he can tolerate a 2 second turn during the(already lax)drug testing.


    Honestly, I cannot even believe I am arguing about this considering how obvious it as to why they have them turn around. Nadal needs to stop whining and get over it. His constant complaining about the testing just makes me think he would rather they didn't test at all. Why else would he never shut up about it? It's so off-putting when he does things like this that it makes me cringe. It makes me think he's not the brightest bulb in the pack and that he is better off seen and not heard. He should just shut up and do the testing. Good grief.
     
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    Good grief Clarky, if this upsets you so much then don't bother to answer...

    You've actually made no good argument about this at all. And Nadal can say what he wants, tough luck if some don't like it.
     
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    Yes I have. I have yet to see you make a good argument about this except for that it hurts Nadal's feelings. Sorry, but that's a not a valid reason or argument as to why they shouldn't do it. He's also the only top player(or any player for that matter) I have ever heard of to compain about a 2 second turn. Do you ever disagree with anything Nadal says or does? Serious question.


    He can say what he wants,and I am free to think he's a dummy. We are even.
     
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    No, you haven't. I have but I'm not going to repeat myself. And no, that was not the reason I gave. It's not that complicated really. There a right of privacy, and that right like others can be "taken away" under justified circumstances, like this one. But at least, it has to be a reasonable procedure (only as intrusive as necessary, it should serve a clear purpose and the person submitted to it should be informed of that purpose.

    You know I do.
     
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    Yes I have. I told you that people hide things in every orifice of their body. They have to see them from the back to make sure they have nothing on them. And just because the WADA agent can see them give the sample doesn't mean there is not funny business going on.


    Good grief, they are not giving him a body cavity search. They are having him turn around one flipping time so they can be sure he has nothing on him. You make it sound way more invasive than it actually is.


    I would love to see this whiner have to go through something like a gyno exam, or an actual body cavity search. Then he would be able to see what demeaning and invasive really is.
     
  29. Crisstti

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    That depends on the person, and it really doesn't matter anyway, it's still invasive and they still should be informed clearly of the purpose, and that doesn't appear to be happening.

    Anyway, I did a Google search and this does seem like a reasonable explanation (unbelievable stuff, a prosthetic penis, wtf...):

    http://www.drugfreesport.com/newsroom/insight.asp?VolID=31&TopicID=7
     
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    I have heard of this happening. I thought of it earlier but didn't put it in my post because I doubt Nadal is guilty of using one of those(at least I hope for Xisca's sake he's not:wink:). Lol.


    And here's a video that gives some info on just how far these people will go to cheat the drug tests. This is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this stuff.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnpoeXx1amg
     
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    I understand your concerns about Nadal's privacy, comfort and feelings. I have come up with the perfect solution to solve all parties concerns.

    Crisstti you must enroll to become a WADA agent and ask for transfer to assignment in Majorca. There you will be able to be as caring and considerate as you deem fit in examining Nadal's "2nd-in-command" when he does the urine test.
     
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    Only bull-fighting and fishing. :rolleyes:
     
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    Well, that's true. I don't like those things either, but Nadal's constant whining about the drug testing just pushes my buttons. And the fact that he is being a big baby over one single 360 turn so they can make sure he's not hiding anything makes me embarrassed to be a fan of his. :oops:


    And I honestly think Nadal has a few screws loose. Either that or he just isn't that bright if he cannot understand the reason they make them turn around during the drug testing. Like I said before; Nadal is better seen and not heard for reasons that need no explanation.
     
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    Damn, what a pity that you don't approve of what I don't like about Nadal

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Damn, what a pity that you don't approve of what I don't like about Nadal

    :rolleyes:
     
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    You are obviously entitled to think whatever you wish but I just think it is funny that Nadal does a little peaceful fishing and you are all up in arms but he could be doping to the gills or participating in unnecessary MTO's on a daily basis and those things don't bother you and you are ready to defend him to the max. :confused: Whatever floats your boat I guess.
     
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    It appears pretty much anything Nadal does or doesn't do somehow "pushes your buttons". So this doesn't exactly say much.

    I don't even think it makes him look guilty at all. If doping without being detected is so easy, testing and all, I see no reason for dopers to complain.

    We're talking of an invasive procedure, and rather debatable legally as well, hehas every right to have a problem with it and I'm sure he's not the only one either.

    That you think you have to undergo a more invasive procedure doesn't really matter. What you're talking about is after all a medial examination, which you decide when and where takes place and which you're not obliged to have anyway. But that is not his point of comparison anyway.

    I'm bothered by things that actually take place, not imaginary things.

    BTW, bullfighting is not something I dislike about him because he doesn't participate in it at all (but if he did, it would indeed bother me more than if he were doping).
     
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    Here is Rafa's whole interview, translated properly by Vamos Brigade.

    Saturday, Dec. 8, 2012 06:50

    RICARD CABOT Q: "What has been on the increase, uncertainty or hope?“
    A: "Hope. In the last month and a half the progress has been quite good. I am very pleased.“

    Q: "Your plans are the same, coming back at Abu Dhabi and later on going to Australia.“
    A: "That’s the schedule, but let’s not deceive ourselves, it’s five months since I was last competing or practicing at a high level. If I’m able to practice at a high level in the remaining weeks I will be able to go to Doha with the ambition to compete and play, without expecting any result at all.“

    Q: "And to think about winning in Australia is an illusion at the moment.“
    A: "It's very difficult to get a good result from the start. I hope to be in my best condition by the end of February or at the beginning of March, well prepared physically, tennis-wise and mentally.“

    Q: "What has been the worst, being laid off for these six months?“
    A: "Main thing, not being able to play fit at Wimbledon, and then when I had to give up the Olympics. And later on, the uncertainty of not knowing when the knee would start to get well. The doctors said it was not a very complicated injury, but the fact is that the knee was not well. The first three months, without seeing any progress and going to the gym without getting results, that was tough.“

    Q: "Did you get discouraged?“
    A: "I am quite a positive person, and I had my team and my family to help me in these difficult moments. I was fortunate to be with my folks.“

    Q: "For the first time in a decade you have spent half a year at home. Have you felt strange, having discovered forgotten pleasures?“
    A: "I am quite a family man, and when a tournament ends, if I can, the first thing I do is going back to Mallorca. Nothing has changed.“

    Q: "Have you noticed any pressure to return on tour?“
    A: "No, on the contrary, I’m grateful to the sponsors who have understood the situation and have not raised any objections. They have supported me at all times. Maybe this lay-off allows me to lengthen my career a little more.“

    Q: "These are different injuries, but Del Potro had struggled a lot returning to what he was. Are you afraid the same might happen to you?“
    A: "What has to happen, will happen. It’s the beauty of life in general, it’s a challenge for me. I know it will be difficult to be winning again all that I have obtained in recent years. I will put in all the necessary work, always thinking positively.“

    Q: "An injury of this type should be useful when assessing everything in its right perspective and relativizing the fact of being number one or not.“
    A: "Being number one is not a priority at all. Either you are or you are not. It depends on winning many matches and being spared of injuries. I spent eight years in a row in the world top two. Logically I prefer to be number two rather than number four, but what makes me happy is having a chance to win a tournament, getting on court and competing with chances, being competitive, in control of the situation. To me it’s a fun and exciting challenge.“

    Q: "From the first moment you made clear that your injury has not forced anyone into retirement. Why?“
    A: "There are always speculations. Regeneration of a tendon is complicated and takes time. That’s the reality.“

    Q: "Have you been looking up your injury, consulting encyclopedias, Google?“
    A: "No, I’m not obsessed with the subject. I trust the doctors who have been treating me.“

    Q: "The day you gave up the London Olympics, was that the worst day of your career?“
    A: "It was an event that I was the least able of giving up in my life. It was worse in 2005 when I had the foot injury that was more problematic and more serious than this one. Moreover, now I am 26, having achieved more than I had imagined, so I see things more calmly.“

    Q: "When you were presented as the Spanish flag-bearer for the Olympics, you had no doubts you would go?“
    A: "After Wimbledon it was already bad, but I trusted that things would improve. I was not convinced that I would go. They were informed at all times of the risk we ran and that I had doubts whether it was appropriate to attend the presentation. They asked me to come, and I was delighted.“

    Q: "When did the discomforts in your knee start?“
    A: "It was bad at Indian Wells and it got really bad in the semifinals of Miami, where I retired against Murray. Between Miami and Monte Carlo I had two weeks off and clay suits me because it’s less damaging than hard. I competed with discomforts, but without limitations. In the semifinals of Roland Garros I played with my knee infiltrated, which is very bad for the tendon, but at the time I thought more about winning my seventh Roland Garros than about my knee.“

    Q: "At Wimbledon, were you aware that maybe you should not have come?“
    A: "No.“


    Q: "Being eliminated in the second round against world number 100 was a surprise.“
    A: "No. For two previous weeks I practiced only one hour a day, without running, very badly, and I played with my knee numbed. I had no chance of going through more rounds. You always think you can, but it was not possible even though I did my best.“

    Q: "If you could go back, would you again play at Wimbledon?“
    A: "I cannot go back. These are the things that I cannot consider. If you tell me that now, I would have not played. It’s easy to analyse that from here, but when you're there, in the heat of the moment, having won Roland Garros, you see things differently.“

    Q: "Which defeat hurts you more, to Lukas Rosol or to Soderling at Roland Garros 2009?“
    A: "They have no points of comparison. Both have in common that my knee was bad, but I could compete at Roland Garros. At Wimbledon no. The defeat to Rosol was a death foretold for me.“

    Q: "Do you fear the most switching between surfaces now?“
    A: "Switching between surfaces is always damaging and you try to avoid it. I will play at Acapulco to compete on clay, gain confidence and rhythm.“

    Q: "Your schedule will proceed depending on how you feel?“
    A: "I have made my schedule, I have it all planned out. What I cannot predict is whether my knee will be better or worse and whether I’ll win more or less matches. It’s not about the tournaments you play, but about the matches you get to dispute.“

    Q: "The same goes for the Davis Cup.“
    A: "I cannot deny that the first tie looks very complicated for me to play it, but you never know. In the Davis Cup I experience emotions different than those at other tournaments and I have really enjoyed playing it.“

    Q: "How do you watch tennis from the sidelines?“
    A: "I was watching all tennis events, but not every day. When you are at home and you can do what you like, you prefer doing other things. I watched matches that I had been excited to see.“

    Q: "Are the virtues and defects of a rival best detected by watching his match on TV?“
    A: "We all know everyone else, there are no surprises.“

    Q: "There is unanimity about tennis having lost some interest without you. As if something is missing.“
    A: "It's not up to me to say that. There have been exciting moments. Murray won his first Grand Slam tournament and Olympic gold, David Ferrer his first Masters 1000. And I'm happy for both. I suppose David will surpass me in the rankings in January, and I will be happy for him. The person comes before the athlete, the rival.“

    Q: "Have you been in contact with Federer, Djokovic or Murray?“
    A: "They have sent me messages of support and I've congratulated them when they won.“

    Q: "Can we say that Federer is your friend?“
    A: "I have my friends in Manacor, they are lifelong. Then there are Carlos Moyá and Marc López, among others. I regard Federer, Murray or Djokovic as colleagues. Unfortunately, I don’t have 300 friends. I have as many as I have.“

    Q: "What has your normal day consisted of in these last months?“
    A: "Hours of recovery in the gym and a little bit of those things I can’t do when I'm away.“

    Q: "You took it as a semi-holiday.“
    A: "A holiday is when someone wants to be on holiday. When your mind is on something else that’s not a holiday. But I did spend more time at sea.“
     
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    Q: "Have you missed the bustle of tournaments, with all it entails, such as travelling, matches, press conferences, advertising commitments?“
    A: "I’ve kept my advertising commitments. What I've noticed as missing is the absence of competition, feeling the adrenaline of competition. To tell you the truth, it’s now that I’m missing the tour, because it’s now that I’m starting to feel better. When you feel bad, you do not consider playing.“

    Q: "You are a fixture on social networks.“
    A: "It’s a very important communication medium that allows me to keep in touch with my fans. It's the future.“

    Q: "You see yourself playing until ...?“
    A: "Until my body and my mind allow me. My goal is to arrive fit in Brazil 2016.“

    Q: "When you retire, do you imagine your life to be very different from the one of the last few months?“
    A: "I suppose so. At first I imagine I will have a bit of quiet, but I love sport in general a lot and I will continue to be involved in it one way or another. Mainly in tennis, but I don’t rule out my participation in other sports.“

    Q: "Has the economic crisis reached tennis in any way? When facing a player with a low ranking, do you know whether he’s doing badly?“
    A: "To be honest, the crisis has reached all sectors directly or indirectly. Anyone who says otherwise is deceiving oneself. But it has not affected the overall economic level of the tour, which continues to grow. Although, it’s not the time to boast about anything. It's time to work, accept that we are going through a bad time and try keeping our attitude necessary to change the situation, starting from the people in the streets up to those who are leading us.“

    Q: "You have noticed the crisis around you?“
    A: "I'm from Mallorca, Manacor, I’m from this world. I have colleagues who are doing badly, and when you see adverse situations you cannot stay on the sidelines. You suffer with them and you help as much as you can.“

    Q:"Have you undergone anti-doping controls in these months?“
    A: "Yes. And I’m not complaining about the controls, but about the methods. It's very easy to look good and make no comments about the subject, but I’m not like that. I’m saying clearly, I want anti-doping controls, but they make us go through very unpleasant situations and I don’t agree with that nor can I support it. At six-thirty this morning I had a blood and urine control. Yesterday, at six-twenty, the same. Two days in a row. This is not how it should be when you’re an athlete. Calling at your door that early, getting you scared to death thinking something terrible has happened. Also, I live with my parents.“

    Q: "Why at six in the morning and two days in a row?“
    A: "You have to give your whereabouts for 365 days a year, an hour a day, which I proposed to be at seven. I don’t think all that is legal, because it goes against your privacy and security. It seems inconsistent and unnecessary. The third time they cannot find you, you get banned for a year, at least. When they come in, I offer them coffee. They are employees and I have nothing against them. I want to undergo controls. I know I'm clean, never in my life would I take anything. I understand sport as a philosophy, and would rather retire than cheat.“

    Q: "Being a sporting icon is tiring, boring, burdensome?“
    A: "It would be arrogant of me to qualify myself that way. On the contrary, what has been happening to me is very positive, I couldn’t even dream about things that I was able to experience and I am grateful to life for everything that has happened to me.“
     
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    Well, if he didn't cry and whine like a 5 year old on a regular basis, I wouldn't have anything to complain about now would I?


    And I do think it makes him look like he's trying to hide something. Why else would he actually have the sack to complain about a simple turn during the drug testing? Is he hiding something from the tester? Why else would someone whine about something so simple?


    You have got to be kidding me. :lol: I am pretty certain that Nadal has signed contracts and agreements when he entered the ATP that he will have to be subjected to the anti-doping and all that it entails. He knew what he was getting into, and if he is so against it, then maybe he should retire. Then at least we won't have to hear his never ending whining about anti-doping if he did.


    A body cavity search is a medical exmaination? How in the world do you figure that?
     
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    Can't you read? Nadal just said "It's very easy to look good and make no comments about the subject, but I’m not like that."

    See, Nadal is like you, he doesn't care about looking good. He's not afraid to speak his honest opinion. You honestly hate Nadal and aren't afraid to show it. And Nadal honestly hates people banging on the door at 6.30am (when he had told them he would be available from 7am onwards each day of the year) for 2 days in a row and scaring his parents, and is not afraid to complain publicly.

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    And it's also very easy to open your mouth and make a fool out of yourself. Something Nadal knows a whole lot about.

    Look, Nadal is an airhead so he needs to shut-up about crap like this. Everytime he opens his mouth he just spews more garbage, and we are all dumber for having heard it. Seen and not heard should be Nadal's motto. It suits him well.
     
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    WOW, that is a nice car. What kind of car is that ? and where does he go in that car ? and Can't Rafa buy his uncle something better than that Dinky motorbike ? Rafa is greedy, isn't he ?
     
  44. beast of mallorca

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    Corrected that for you.............:)
     
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    How can you tell if it's a nice car?, it's barely visible.

    That's his dad, not uncle.
     
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    I don't see why it bothers you. You do the same thing, speaking your mind not caring of others like it and complaining about things pretty regularly.

    Are you serious?, why would it bother him to have his privacy invaded like that?.

    Oh, not at all. We have two valid, conflicting interests here: keeping sports clean of doping and people's right of privacy. A balance has to be found, where the right or acceptable balance is is indeed debatable, and Nadal like everyone else has every right to say what he thinks about this subject.

    You can sign anything you want, that in itself doesn't make it legal or constitutional.

    Uhm, am I missing something?, you were talking about a gynecological examination, isn't that what one would call a medical examination?.
     
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    Reading this (came here to see if there was any news about Nadal's training etc) a couple of things.

    First, I don't get it. It seems like his complaining is nitpicking. I mean isn't the real embarrassment someone looking at your penis? If you can take that I don't get why you would object to having to turn around. Even if it is not needed, that alone isn't a reason to object. Does it cause any additional humiliation? Maybe it does for Rafa, but I really don't get why. He's ok with a guy looking at his junk but he doesn't want to turn around. Eh? :confused:

    Second, there probably is a reason for turning around. You could (believe it or not) have a false bladder with a tube running along your penis with some putty or whatever covering it up, disguised as your normal skin. It would probably be harder to hide the bladder if you are not wearing a shirt and your pants are down and you do a full 360 turn. I know it's embarrassing standing naked in front of a stranger, but you know that's the price to pay if you're a multi millionare sportsman (same as getting woken up at 6.30. You know i'll take that slight inconvenience for several million) and there are times when you just have to accept it. I mean you go to the doctor cos you have a lump on your testicle - he's going to not only look at your privates but PHYSICALLY examine you. And given the possibility of doping and using prosthetics, players are lucky they don't get physically examined. Yes it wouldn't be nice, but you're earning millions and could be cheating your way to that money. You have to sometimes have that downside to life, ordinary people have to go through things more uncomfortable so just accept it..

    Having said that I do think they should give a proper explanation to Nadal about why they need him to do a 360 turn. If you have a rule you should be able to explain it officially.
     
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    Yes to all of this. This is what I have been trying to get across, but for some reason, it ain't getting through.


    I also think that even if Nadal was told why they do this(he should be able to figure it out for himself, but he seems limited, so maybe he needs it explained), I think he would STILL complain about it. He will never be happy until they stop drug testing altogether.
     
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    It bothers me because he sounds like an idiot just about every single time he opens his mouth. Especially when it comes to drug testing.


    Yes, I am serious. And they can come and invade my privacy like that for the millions of dollars Nadal has made over the years hitting a yellow tennis ball over the net. Hell, I'll even do the 360 turn for them if they like. He is extremely fortunate, yet seems too dumb to be able to comprehend that.


    The rest of this stuff is just lawyer mumble jumble and nothing more.


    Yes, but I was talking about a body cavity search, which is not the same as a gyno exam.
     
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    lol we actually agree on something :lol:

    I dunno if he's actually against the idea of testing he just probably hates doing it. Like paying taxes, yeah we know it has to be done, but we rather not lol. I think blood testing needs to be upped. I would rather get blood taken than someone watching me pee. Obviously after a long match blood testing might not be the best, but out of tournament testing, i see blood testing as a good way.

    I think this has gotten to a point where people say he hates testing so then he sort of goes on more to explain why and justify it, but it just becomes more of an issue and he probably should have left it alone for his own sake. Just makes more people criticise him instead of being like "oh now i see his point"
     
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