Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by bolo, Mar 9, 2010.
I guess you and Nadal have something in common..............:twisted:
Why is it hard to understand that someone would complain more about what he sees as having no justification?. He doesn't see the reason, so he's objecting to it. I do think it causes additional humiliation, I can sure see why. It means you're basically naked for that matter.
It being unnecessary or the purpose not being clear would already make it more humiliating, it would certainly make you more upset about it.
It doesn't mean he's OK with someone looking at his penis, but maybe he sees more reason for that part of the test.
Oh, I don't think you've read all the posts about this . We went over this quite a lot and yes, it does seem that there can be reasons for it. The discussion has moved a little further than that. There being a reason for it does not automatically mean it’s justified and the athlete cannot say so if he thinks it’s too much.
I don't think it's actually comparable to a medical examination . A medical examination may be more or less invasive than what we're talking about, but it's a doctor who performs it, and it's your choice, you are not obliged to do it and that makes all the difference here.
It could indeed be argued that an actual physical examination would help prevent doping and hence it should be done. You could also say players should wear some GPS like element on them at all times thus pretty much eliminating the possibilities of missing tests, etc. But like I explained before, this has its limits and it should have them.
Where that limit is is debatable and Nadal like anyone else has a right to say what he thinks these limits should be. You have two legitimate interests: keeping sports clean and the right to privacy. One does NOT simply take complete precedence over the other, it doesn't work like that nor should it. Both interests have to be weighted in and a fair balance found. Anyone – and particularly those who have to submit to these procedures – have a right to say where they think that balance should be.
I have a problem with this argument.
First, not only millionaire sportsmen are subject to these procedures.
Second, you don't lose your rights because you're a millionaire (which in this case it means you're really good at what you do) and have as much or a right to privacy and dignity as anyone else.
Yes, they definitely should.
He actually doesn't. But whatever really.
He does seem to notice. He's always saying how grateful he is. Guess you've missed it in your negativity.
It is indeed something I hate when people who get to make a living out of something they love, and are millionaires because of that for that matter, keep whining "oh, I have to stop on the street to give autographs all the time. Oh, paparazzi keep following me around. Poor me, I wish I was just a simple guy (yeah, right)".
It's a serious turn off for me and something Nadal doesn't do at all.
The rest was a clear explanation. If you find it too complex and you don't understand it then just say so.
Well, I was talking about a gyno exam. But about cavity searches, yes, they’re obviously worse, and I definitely think they should be avoided whenever possible (and I do understand it’s possible), even in prisons (people there still have rights also...).
Why do you think it causes more humiliation? How does turning around add to the embarrassment of standing there with your junk out? You have yet to give a satisfying answer to this question, while you have been given many reasons as to why they have them turn around, but are just being obstinate by refusing to accept them. Instead you just keep arguing in circles with nowhere to go.
To me, you either do the anti-doping or you are banned. No amount of complaining about a lousy 360 turn will cut it.
I know that Nadal would simply fail at life if he weren't an athlete. He is far too child-like and bratty, and I doubt very much he could survive a real job with his lack of common sense. He would be living with his parents forever(he already does, actually)and living off of them as well. Over the past several years this guy has shown how little intelligence he has. It's unreal to be honest, but makes me understand why he can't live alone, and why others seem to run his entire life for him.
Ok, how about 99% of the time? Lol.
If he says it, I don't know if I would believe him.
He just chooses to complain about the very things that keep him in a sport making millions of dollars. He just chooses to complain about things that are so minute that he should be ashamed of himself for complaining about them. Instead of making a big deal out of a lousy turn, maybe he should go spend a few days in a slum to get a grip on reality because his constant complaining about first world problems turns me off big time.
I understand it fine; I just think it's the lawyer in you giving me talking points and silly notions that don't really address the issue. You act as if his human rights have been violated just because WADA makes him turn around one time during anti-doping. It's not like they're sodomizing him while his back is turned. Wouldn't the stuff you said actually be better off used for people who are actually suffering from real human rights violatons in this world instead of a rich athlete who just likes to complain too much? Perspective is a beautiful thing.
Maybe Nadal has something to be embarrassed about when he shows his mons pubis to the WADA officials?
Well, I've heard he's average in that department, so I doubt that's his problem. :lol:
I think he's just a complainer. I cannot imagine what life must be like with him at home. Seems like he would want to control every single thing he can. He also seems needy emotionally.
well, maybe. by constantly complaining about this testing issue he is just raising more suspicions. it's not really smart. I'm sure that WADA guys show up at Nole's/Roger's house at 6AM or so, but you never heard them complaining or even talking about it. as a matter of fact none of the other tennis pros ever complained except Nadal.
Nadal should simply shut up and let them do their job. no wonder that some people think that he is on a silent ban last 6 months and all other gossip that goes with his name. He is not help himself at all.
Oh, it's not only the turn he has a problem with, he's talked about others aspects of the whole things before. Oh, and he has every right to.
He chooses to complain about something he finds demeaning and unfair.
They address the issue. Maybe I explain myself better above.
And human rights are indeed an issue here (and it's not only about the turn). Human rights do not only come into play in huge human rights violations in China or wherever. They come into play into these kind of more mundane stuff as well.
Perspective, yeah. Believe me, I'm not losing any sleep over this. But what you're saying is just a way of avoiding an issue. "Oh, why worry about gay marriage when gay people are getting killed in other places, just be grateful that's not the case here", etc.
Oh, the video you posted btw, shows the unreasonable levels this things can get to. The poor guy who was there treated as a criminal for having smoked some pot....
Looks like Maserati taillights to me I think he has a Ferrari too. That's what you get when millions of fanatics spend all their money buying his $130.00 shoes and $90.00 shirts.
And I have every right to call him a dummy for complaining about something so silly.
What's unfair about it? He has never given any ideas as to what they could possibly do differently. They have to test them, and there are too many cheaters for them to be lax about it. What exactly could be changed about the anti-doping that wouldn't compromise an already weak system ever further?
This is just so ridiculous I don't even know what to say. Nadal is not forced to do WADA testing. He does it by choice. If he doesn't want to do the testing he can easily retire since the very testing he complains about constantly, has allowed him to play a sport that lets him make millions of dollars just hitting a ball over a net, being pimped out by corporations for money, and complaining all the time. He needs to take a hike if he thinks he should be an exception to the rules. Especially when there is no other way to complete the drug testing thoroughly. No other way.
It's also funny to hear him try to cry about how the necessary testing demeans him, while at the same time, he posed nearly naked for Armani, and had no problem rolling around half naked with Shakira in the dirt for a music video. I bet if WADA decided to pay him for letting them test him he would say a whole lot of nothing about it, and his self-righteous indignation would disappear at the speed of light.
No, what I am doing is pointing out how people get all up in arms about a millionaire athlete choosing to complete WADA testing in order to make millions more, and calling that optional choice a human rights violation. It's absurd, and frankly, offends me.
I totally agree. Ridiculous that guy had to be jailed for that. I just wanted to show how far people will go to cheat the drug tests, and the different ways they can achieve it.
Where did you hear this,Miss?
I just don't get this. Being naked is awkward because you're showing private areas. If I had my junk hang out in front of someone that would be as bad as if I also had my shirt off. I am a pretty skinny, lanky guy and as a kid at one point I had a fear of being seen by classmates without my shirt because I was so skinny. Yet I still wouldn't feel any worse if my shirt was off during such an incident. It wouldn't matter if I was wearing a Santa hat as well. I would think "Why?" But I wouldn't complain about it because it's not that that causes me distress. He doesn't mind being in his underwear for some ads so the only thing left to the imagination is his private area which will be on show when they look at him pee. So I don't see how have to pull your shirt up and turn around makes it worse. Yes he has a right to feel that way, but everyone else has a right to an opinion about whether his distress is reasonable. I think if you accept someone is looking at your penis, it's crazy to object to take your shirt off and doing a turn. If I said I got searched at an airport, I accepted the anal probe but was annoyed I had to take my shoes off too, i think most people would say yeah the shoes being off is not needed but I'm still complaining over nothing.
Nadal's issue with it in my opinion is something like an OCD type issue, where someone has some sort of huge problem with something that has no reason to cause distress (I mean just the turning bit, the being exposed part is different)
Well there were quite a few I just wanted to get my point across. He may think it's unjustified, but my opinion is that he's being overly picky if his objection is pulling his shirt up and doing a turn. Rafa can feel what he wants but I think it's over the top to object to this. That's my opinion, and it's also my opinion it makes him look worse to other people.
He does have a choice. Be a pro tennis player or not. He's not being molested. It's more of a choice than "get physically examined or potentially die from cancer" At least as a sportsman you know this will happen - it's part of the job unfortunately.
Well everyone has their opinion about what is too far or not. I would say blood test everyone but certain players would probably complain about needles.. Also it's impractical in certain circumstances but I would say a player should always have the right to a blood test instead if they like. If they have a reason why they don't want one, it's a urine test.
I never said he didn't have a right, I just don't agree with him. I do understand him not liking it but I don't agree that it should be changed (other that the bloodtest option I mentioned)
The point is there are certain downsides to any job you do. Nadal and all the other sportsmen haven't lost any rights, this isn't some crime. This is a legal procedure going on. If it were a crime against human rights, more people should speak out about it.
I don't want to bash Nadal on the Nadal thread, I just don't understand how anyone can find the 360 turn bit offensive, I really don't. If he was saying they should have blood tests so they don't have people looking at them naked, fair enough, I would agree that's a better idea. But he doesn't offer any other solution.
I do not know what could be done differently Clarky. Maybe I'll do some more reading on the subject and get back to you. I don't know if Rafa has really talked at length about it.
It's not even the point though. Say that athletes would actually have to undergo a physical examination. You indeed couldn't get rid of that without weakening the system.
The point is it's debatable how much can you take away from someone's right to privacy for the sake of anti-doping policies.
You thought it was laughable when I said the whole thing is legally debatable, so I explained exactly how that is and then you say it's legal mumble jumble. Don't expect to get a clear cut answer about this kind of thing because it doesn't exist.
No, he doesn't do it by choice, the same way drug tests in the workplace aren't by choice. There are very serious consequences if you don't do them.
What he's done for Armani or the Shakira video has been by choice. And he was definitely not naked in those.
Someone being a millionaire or not has absolutely nothing to do with this.
wait...i thought his parents were divorced, how does he live with them???
Nothing at all. That's what could be done differently, and I'm confident that your future reading will corroborate that.
What else do you expect them to do then? How else can they collect a sample that they are certain was not tampered with with artificial or outside means?
Yes he absolutely does do them by choice. he is not bound by law to complete WADA tests, and he is rich enough to retire and never complete another one if he so chooses. Last I checked the WADA agent does not brandish a weapon and demand he get naked, do a 360, and then **** in a cup. He lets them into his home willingly, and does the test willingly as well.
And the testing he does for WADA is done by choice as well. And while he wasn't naked completely, he left very little to the imagination, and even did several different commercials for Armani where he ran around in his underwear, and even stripped. Some of that stuff was close to soft-core porn yet he is "demeaned" by WADA testing. He needs to get out of here with that noise.
Preach, Towser. We finally found something we agree on. :lol:
Lol, it's the Christmas spirit starting early :lol:
Probably is because us agreeing on something is a minor miracle. :lol:
I understand why he would find it worse. In one case I wouldn't think it's THAT different from peeing in a men's bathroom in front of others. Lifting your shirt up to your armpits and pulling down your pants way down means you're pretty much naked while giving the sample. I can see why it'd make the whole thing worse for him, I think I would feel the same way.
Plus, he had just been tested two days in a row including the morning of the interview. I don't know if the particular aspect we're discussing really bothers him so much or it he was particularly annoyed about it in that moment.
You might have a point about the OCD though, who knows. You can get obsessed about things.
It makes him looks worse to some people because those people don't understand the issues at work here. Some will just think anyone complaining must be doping, which I find just dumb. I'm glad he doesn't seem to care too much how it makes him look.
When you can be punished by others (and to such degree, you couldn't be a pro athlete in this case) then saying you have a choice it's rather relative. This is somewhat similar to drug testing in the workplace. Only that there it's much less invasive and you can get a similar job somewhere else.
The right to privacy is an issue here and it is debatable. This kind of things go to court sometimes.
Not a bad idea at all.
Rafa said he got tested both urine and blood that morning. I wonder if there are things you can detect in an urine test that you can't in a blood test.
He has talked other times about other aspects of it. The whereabouts rule, for example.
They have lost a right to a rather large degree, definitely. Some of this could well be considered a human rights violation, and people have spoken about it. But there's too much at stake for them. Nadal even brings up the legality of this (and it's not the first time I've heard someone do it) in the interview Vernon posted.
And I'm not saying it's not justifiable, but it is definitely debatable and a perfectly valid thing to discuss, either for Nadal or anyone else.
they do occur from time to time, not that often though. I better not bother playing the lottery this week :lol:
Geez... The guy cribs a little when he was specifically asked about the way they do the doping test, it sure is invasive, so he is just saying that , he can say that even knowing that there is no other way to get these tests done for now. Big deal.
As a fan, I would like for him to tell exactly how he feels about things when interviewed, not be too image conscious, be it about doping tests or his injuries, could care less if it makes him look worse, pretty sure only people who want him to look worse will see it that way, the rational folks would just agree or disagree with him and leave it at that.
Apparently they got back together a while ago.
It isn't simply about what can be done differently without hampering the system. It's about a fair and reasonable balance. There's not a clear cut answer.
Lol, no, it was nowhere near soft core porn. You sound like a prude sometimes.
And it wouldn't matter if he'd be a porn actor. It's irrelevant. This anti-doping tests cannot simply be considered to be done by choice and I explained why to Towser.
I don't really want to argue about this because you get enough people who come on here and attack Nadal, and that is not my wish (Clarky supports Nadal even if she's hard on him, but I'm not a Nadal fan, though I don't hate him, so I don't want to talk too much about the negative things on this thread) but basically, I've stated why I feel the nature of the objection is weird. We'll just have to agree to diasagree.
I guess being tested 2 days in a row is annoying, though I bet sometimes they don't get tested for ages. Seems a bit silly but maybe they want to really surprise people and keep them off guard.
Not actually sure if urine tests can pick up what blood tests can't, would be interesting to know.
With the human rights issue, that's a big can of worms. Like I said if enough people really find it unacceptable, then maybe something can be done. But I doubt it as players are making lots of money and most have probably become used to it. It's tricky though to make sure someone isn't doping but being fair to the players. To be honest at the moment it's the worst of both worlds because i don't think the testing is tough enough but it's still unpleasant for players. So it seems it might be for nothing. For the record I don't claim that Nadal dopes, though I don't rule out any player doping either.
Just as he was pretty much naked when he posed for Armani. Didn't hear him complaining about his human rights being violated then because all he saw were $$$$. The anti-doping is for a good reason unlike posing for Armani, which is only to quench his greed and nothing more. All WADA has to do to shut him up about this is pay him. They'll never hear another word about it again if they did.
I would like to know when the last time he was tested at before those two consecutive days of testing? I am almost certain that he had not been tested in quite some time before that, and I would not doubt one bit if the last time he was tested was after his loss at Wimby. The testing is terrible in tennis, and they do not get tested nearly as much as Nadal lets on. I already proved this with stats provided by the ITF and WADA a few days ago.
Why is it that you seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you and Nadal on this issue, is just too stupid to understand what's going on with the situation? I get it completely, and I think he's being ridiculous, and is making himself look like a total fool. And since he doesn't care what people think about his supposed doping, he shouldn't threaten to sue people when they bring it up like he has in the past.
What exactly do you want? Do you want people to be able to smoke crack in the morning, and then go and take care of you as a nurse or whatever it is afterwards? Would you like the testing in tennis to become even more lax than it already is? Are you a proponent of just letting them juice up, inject EPO, inject HGH, and just dope till they're about to burst? Nadal gets paid from these people who say they want a clean sport. He always has the choice to not complete the test and bail. Nobody is forcing him to do it if he doesn't want to.
It is not a human rights violation. They would laugh this fool out of court if he dared to try to bring this into the system. He is so stupid for questioning the legality of this. If this were illegal, don't you think they would have done away with it by now? Don't you think other player's would be up in arms about this? Nadal is the only player who complains about the anti-doping to this degree, and you know what? With a dumb comment like that I have come to the conclusion he's doped to the gills. Hopefully, he gets caught because he deserves it.
And yes there are certain drugs that only show up in blood and not in urine such as HGH.
Yes it was and I am far from a prude.
Then don't do them and retire. Simple.
I agree with you. Nadal has always had a strong opinion and is not afraid to say what he thinks in public. I hate how people nitpick every little thing he says on this forum, he has every right to say what he feels. A guilty person would be more inclined to make politically correct answers to not attract attention, is it so crazy to believe that Nadal speaks bluntly about his opinions because he has nothing to hide?
I don't know what is wrong with him saying that he thinks the procedure is embarrassing for him. He has never specifically said he is against the testing in general. If people would read the interview they would see this.
Clarky, you seem to say these kinds of things a lot. From your posts I have learnt that he is getting heaps of action from other girls, is cheating on Xisca and now that he is average in the appendage department.
I've got to ask, where are you getting your information from? Are these from personal experience? :lol:
But according to some everything Nadal says is micro managed by his PR team, didn't you know?.
Anyway, from what he's said about this several times I think it's clear he thinks these procedures invade the right of privacy too much and should be changed. How exactly, I'm not sure if he's said. I actually wouldn't mind him talking more at length about this.
Nothing you could say would be worse than what Clarky's been saying, so I don't think you need to worry
I'm not sure there's much they can do other than complain like Nadal has done. Doesn't FIFA have a rule that if you go to the courts about anything you're expelled from the organization?. If a player or players would go to the European Court of Human Rights or something they probably couldn't be pro tennis players anymore.
And yeah, it must be very annoying to go through these kind of procedures to have people say "it proves nothing". They must as well not bother then.
BTW, I remember you talked about this not being a human rights "crime" (Clarky brought up a similar idea). Something eventually being in violation of human rights doesn't mean it involves a crime having been committed. Some things would be, like pinching someone's hone for example, but I don't see how something like this.
He was wearing underwear, so no. But again: irrelevant. And then you ask why I say people don't understand what they're talking about .
He didn't complain about his human rights because he chose to do that, he was not obliged to (and being obliged doesn't mean he was forced, either).
I don't think Nadal has ever complained about the frequency of the testing, not even now.
You sure don't seem to get it completely, as your thinking it laughable to say the legality of this is debatable shows. And as the rest of your post shows at that. So he has to be doping if he complains, it cannot be that he thinks his privacy is being too invaded.
That he doesn't care enough what people think of him as to stop saying what he thinks doesn't mean he couldn't sue people for blatantly defaming him.
And it was Benito who talked about suing recently, not Nadal.
Crisstti, it seems this issue is bothering you even more than it's bothering Rafa. If you listen to that radio interview he says he doesn't enjoy te process but that he chose to be a tennis player so he's got to accept it. Not sure why it's such a big deal.
Well can you answer them anyway? I'm actually interested in how you know these things and whether or not they are true.
Wow, he looks like crap. I have noticed he doesn't look well lately, and looks to have aged quickly over the past 6 months. What's wrong with him?
He looks fine. Your eyes are deceiving you.
For you everything about Nadal is bad lol. I like you though, you have a great sense of humor.
At least you can agree that Rafa's fh is one of the greatest ever!
I don't think everything is bad or I wouldn't like him at all. I just have noticed recently that he looks unwell. It's more of a concern for his health than anything.
Nadal looks normal to me (although Nadal is anything but normal, since he has 7 Roland Garros titles and has a staggering 52-1 record there). And he'll look all the more normal when Nadal wins at least 3 slams this year, overtaking Sampras and winning impossible numbers of titles, like 9 Monte Carlo Masters 1000 titles, and 8 Barcelona titles, and 7 Rome titles, and EIGHT Roland Garros titles (no one has ever won 8 of the same slam in the open era). And then Nadal will only be a handful of slams away from breaking the record, which he can do by winning his pet event, Roland Garros.
Good grief. :lol:
I don't know if I'd even say it bothers me CMM. I'm simply interested in it.
Rafa is more bothered by it I'm certain...
Nadal has to accept it or he couldn't be a tennis player, of course he accepts it. But it's clear from what he's said (in the interview Vernon posted and before) that he doesn't think it's quite fair and that it should be somehow different.
It isn't. Someone bringing this up on court might win or lose, but they wouldn't be laughed out of court because those judges would know more about the law and human rights than you do.
I've gone over this already.
He lets them because he has to if he wants to be a pro player. No one is saying he's being forced, then we'd be talking about something entirely different and that'd have nothing to do with what we are discussing. Doesn't change the fact he is obliged if he wants to be a tennis player.
I didn't say he doesn't care, it's only normal he does to some degree. But quite clearly he doesn't care enough as to not voice these opinions because of it.
I didn't say he's never threatened to sue. I purposefully didn't because of what he said in 2006.
Sure, and that right has to be balanced with the doctor's right of privacy. Yours doesn't just completely overtake his.
That is really pushing the concept of a right. But there's obviously a legitimate interest in keeping sports dope free.
Don't be hyper sensitive Clarky. I have been nothing but civil here. If rude at all certainly not more than you've been. I'm simply saying I don't think you really understand this and are looking at it as a black or white thing. Or maybe you don't want to agree that it might be different from what you've said.
I've avoided nothing. I clearly said I do not know. From what we've been discussing here maybe just have blood tests. If I come up with anything else I'll let you know. For that matter, it doesn't seem like they can really know the sample has not been tampered with as it is.
But that is not the point I've been making. Not hurting the effectiveness of the testing is not the only valid interest at play here, that is all.
Maybe because you pay more attention to tennis than other sports. Plus, less known athletes could whine all they'd want and it wouldn't get anywhere the same coverage.
How does it prove anything?. So do you know if there's anything that can be detected in an urine test that wouldn't in a blood test?. Because if there isn't it defies reason that they'd test for both in the same morning. And it seems like a waste of money as well.
Nadal obviously cannot just demand they change his urine tests to blood tests, even if he pays for it.
If there's nothing an urine test can detect that a blood one cannot, then they should spend the money to do just those instead.
You really seem to resent that Nadal is a millionaire. Yes, they're similar situations. Economically refusing the testing or search would affect more the everyday worker, but professionally it'd affect the athlete much, much more. He would actually have less options (none) in that regard, millionaire or not.
It's more unlikely anyone will believe you if you don't say how you know.
Oh, I'm not a prude, my opinion of Nadal wouldn't be affected because of him sleeping around.
(And damn, these posts are turning out to be really long).
No I don't, but he has a lot more options at his disposal than some pee-on making minimum wage. There is no comparison between poor persecuted Nadal wth first world problems who has to do WADA testing(boo hoo), and a factory worker living paycheck to paycheck who absolutely MUST take the drug test or lose their job and end up homeless. Which one do you think will be just fine if they were to decide they don't want to be tested anymore?
That's fine, and I am certain the the things I have been told are accurate, and I don't care if anyone believes me or not.
I'm not a prude either, and honestly, learning that he does get around a bit helps to humanize him a bit in my eyes. Otherwise, he is far too robotic and insincere. And to me, being with the same person since you were 18 years old and never experiencing other relationships is wierd, and is almost doomed to fail. That's why I wonder if he has an open relationship(if it is even a real relationship at all) with Xisca.
They are, but I feel they have to be to get the point across correctly.
Yep, Nadal's achievements will be enough to cause widespread grief to all of Talk Tennis.
There is a comparison when it comes to the right of privacy and the circumstances under which it is affected.
Yes, there's no comparison in their living conditions but that has nothing to do with whether their right of privacy is being affected to unreasonable levels or not.
Also, there is a lot in between those two extremes you propose.
An athlete professionally has no options at all, he couldn't practice his profession anywhere if he doesn't submit to the tests.
It would be really weird if he's had a fake relationship just to sleep around. I don't think that is the case really, it wouldn't make sense.
It's possible, but who knows for sure. I just know that Nadal is not nearly as innocent as some people believe him to be, or wish for him to be either. He's not a virgin, and Xisca is not the only one he has ever been with. Think about how ridiculous that sounds considering who Nadal is. They have been "together" since 2005 or 2006. No way Xisca is the only one.
And didn't Toni say something about him trying to live like the typical athlete for a long time? I think you're the one who posted that quote.
Well, I wouldn't say it's impossible, but probably not all that likely.
Considering his taking off his shirt after matches (and his comments about the reaction he gets), and things like the Armani campaign (that you hate for some reason), let's just say he's at least clearly aware of certain things
I don't think I posted that quote, I don't even remember reading it. What is it even supposed to mean?. How would the typical athlete live?, not sure what it's supposed to mean.
BTW, thanks a lot for posting the interview Vernon
I was surprised to see he said he offers coffee to the testers. I'm sure he'd said not long ago that he doesn't even talk to them. Guess he's changed his mind.
Of course he does. Nadal being a good looking guy with money=chick magnet. That's just the truth. Lol.
I thought it was you. Well, I think he said something about Nadal trying to do the girls, fancy cars, and the fast life that most high profile athletes live. I'm paraphrasing here, so it's not the actual quote from Toni.
I tend to believe he probably isn't very nice to these people. Just look at the way he talks about the testing. I would love to talk to one of these WADA testers and get the low down on his behavior when they show up to test him, but I'm sure they're bound by privacy laws and aren't really allowed to talk about it.
Can someone please explain to me why the top players have all been "together" with their women since 2005 or before? So bizarre. Why not (openly) enjoy yourself?
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