Nadal 'not obsessed' with beating Djokovic.

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  1. Paul Murphy

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    Rafael Nadal says he's not obsessed with beating Novak Djokovic despite some heavy soul searching after seven straight losses to the world No.1, the last three in grand slam finals.
    ``I don't have the spirit of revenge. I don't have the spirit of obsession of another player,'' Nadal said Thursday at the ATP Tour's Indian Wells Masters series tournament.
    ``I want to improve to beat Novak and Roger (Federer). I try every day to improve my level of tennis.
    ``But whenever I go on the court for practice I don't think about Novak, I think about getting better.''
    Spaniard Nadal says he's ready to reclaim his throne as the top ranked player in the world, but that path clearly goes through Djokovic, who defeated Nadal in the final of this year's Australian Open 5-7 6-4 6-2 6-7 (5-7) 7-5 to win his fifth grand slam title and third in a row.
    The match lasted almost six hours, the longest grand slam final in history, and marked Djokovic's seventh-straight win over the claycourt specialist, beginning with last year's final here in the California desert.
    ``It was a great match, great quality and it was physically demanding and emotional. He won, I lost and I was happy to be part of that,'' said Nadal, who is playing his first tournament since the Australian Open.
    World No.2 Nadal holds a 16-14 career record over Djokovic but couldn't overcome the Serb in the most recent Aussie Open, US Open and Wimbledon.
    ``You have to have a reference on what you have to do to improve,'' said Nadal, who won the 2011 French Open. ``I prefer to be in front.''
    Nadal, 25, said there is no magic formula to beating Djokovic. It is going to come down to hard work.
    ``He brings tennis to another level. But nobody is forever. There was Federer then something happened and then Djokovic and in three to five years when I come back here there will be somebody better than him. I don't know if it will be me the one to have success.
    ``Victories for everybody have an end.''

    AAP.

    Rafa may not be obsessed about Djokovic but he's sure in his head and why wouldn't he be after losing to him seven times in a row.
     
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    I think Nadal has the mentality that he'll get a shot when Djokovic doesn't show up. And this is a huge possibility at both RG and Wimbledon. He knows that he won't have to go through Djokovic every tournament he plays, and so there's no need to obsess about beating Novak. Nadal needs to focus on himself and keep giving himself opportunities. Federer realized this too. He saw that Nadal wouldn't be there everytime challenging him everywhere (and he was right), so Nadal would be wise to do the same.
     
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    height of humility. "Something happened" :D
     
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    He should be.
     
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    Too much modesty.

    What really was in his mind - "Then I started to beat the crap out of him".

    What he should have said - "Then I also started winning slams". But he goes for some real safe option
     
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    meh, Novak is his big problem. he can say whatever he wants too. he might be ignoring it but it looks like there is nothing he can really do.
     
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    If there really is nothing he can do, then why bother with obsessing? :)
     
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    I'm sure Nadal will cry a lot when he beats Djokovic. It means THAAAAAAAAAAT much to him.
     
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    Nadal cried when he won his first title in almost a year, beating Dasco while losing one game.

    If Nadal ever beats Djokovic again, it will almost certainly mean a title and considering he is already 9 months without one, the floodgates will probably open.
     
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    Even Clarky will cry. That will be big.
     
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    The problem for Nadal is that he has to go through 2 of the top 4 guys. He has to meet Murray and Djokovic back to back or he has to meet Federer and Djokovic back to back. It's pretty tough stuff.
     
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    "Nobody is forever". Hopefully, Ralph doesn't think this excludes him. ;)
     
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    Actually, Ralph thinks he is "nobody" ;-)
     
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    What planet is he on?
     
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    Hahah, I was thinking the same thing.

    In 3-5 years he'll be retired.
     
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  17. celoft

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    He will probably be meeting Nole at MC this year. Not Fiasco. :)
     
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    Let's see how obsessed he is when his arrogant celebration appears after his win. :)
     
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    Is that a picture of Nadal when he was a baby?
     
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    He's obviously clueless when it comes to his career, but luckily the *******s are kind enough to tell him all these things - when he's going to retire, when he will win his next title, when he's going to beat Djokovic (never), the fact that he can't win Monte Carlo because no one has won 8 consecutive titles before, etc.
     
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    I don't believe him, those titles he lost were valuable beyond the titles themselves.

    Winning percentage in slam and masters finals took a big hit.
    A number one losing that way will live on forever in tennis history.
    He could've had 11-13 slams now and some more masters.

    Each one lost now to Djokovic is very damaging if it continues.
     
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    Well see now, its not just random conjecture( something rafa fans are expert in i.e. rafa will easily pass Fed's slam count, rafa will easily win calendar slam, nobody can stop rafa, rafa can play another 10 years on tour etc)

    On the contray, these so-called conjectures by tennis fans, be they fed fans or not are based on facts. Things like:

    historically, defensive grinders do not make for long careers as evidence and history shows. Courier, chang, wilander, borg, hewitt ad infinitum...mentally and/or physically they break down sooner rather than later.

    Then there is also the inconvenient fact that Tio himself said that it would be unlikely that Nadal plays past 28 or so.

    Its also fact that no one has won an event 8 times in a row. Given that such a thing has never occured and if you believe that past events have bearing on the future..then it is not unreasonable to think that perhaps Nadalito will not win MC.

    Now yes I know, how dare Fed fans and tennis fans in general use fact as a basis for an argument. How arrogant and realistic of us.

    Maybe we should all live in wild speculation and baseless conjecture like Rafa fans, no?
     
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  23. celoft

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    Plus the fact that his Serbian daddy is playing MC this year. :)
     
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  24. SLD76

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    that too.

    his chances of winning MC just decreased exponentially.

    Heck, I wouldnt be suprised if team Djokovic decided to play MC precisely to derail his attempt at breaking the record for consecutive wins at an event.
     
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  25. celoft

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    Yup........................
     
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  26. monfed

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    Is it 100% confirmed that Novak's gonna play MC?
     
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    Actually for once I agree with Nadal. Why be obsessed with beating someone who is just superior to you? Do you think Donald Young is obsessed with beating Djokovic? Young just plays within his capabilities and so should Nadal. Why go treading in the deep end? Kudos Nadal for finally making some sense.
     
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    Depends what you mean by Rafa fans. I certainly don't consider Bulzila a fan.

    History told us no male player can win 16 Slams and yet... Federer didn't care much about what history said when he broke all those records. Did someone tell Connors that he wasn't supposed to be playing at 39?
    How come this history thing only applies to Nadal?
    And many of you say it as if you're talking about facts -"he will retire", "he won't win", "he will not beat him". These are dumb statements.
    The guy says he will come back in 3-5 years and you tell him he won't, because he will be retired. This obviously suggests that you know more about his career than him.
     
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    Good post. But when people say things like "he won't beat him" I don't think they literally mean that as a fact. It's just an opinion that they don't think he will beat him. I mean obviously no one can know such facts. But to interpret that as fact is foraying into the juvenile zone a la cc0509. In which case the baby talk response is "prove it". Which is even sillier than the original bold statement of 'fact'
     
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    Lol @ the article calling him "the claycourt specialist". It's not 2007 anymore.
     
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    stop right there.

    Slam count is one thing. All slam count shows is what one player is or is not able to do.

    But we are talking about consecutive wins at a single event.

    See the difference?

    As it stands, no player has been able to exceed six wins in a row at a single slam.

    As it stands, no player has achieved 8 wins in a row at a particular tournament.

    Do you understand the difference now?


    As for the second bolded, its not a fact but given recent history, is it not likely?

    Just like speaking of Federer...how many players have won slams after turning 30? History shows
    us it is not a regular occurence.

    Is it possible? Of course, especially for someone as talented as Fed. But it wont be
    easy.
     
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    Yes, Federer is the guy who is supposed to break all the records while Nadal should retire asap.
    Quick, someone post that Fed wiki list.
     
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    I see you still dont.

    First off, I could see if no one had broken the slam record in like...50 years.

    But Pete had just done it in what 1999? 2000?

    So the notion that the slam record was some untouchable thing is laughable.
    Difficult no doubt, but not untouchable.

    Second of all again...we are talking not about what one player may or may not be able to do , we are talking about what the field has not been able to do at one particular event.


    In the past 30 or so years, no one has won more than 6 times in a row at a slam( where there have been six slams in a row won).

    No one has ever won an event 8 times or more in a row.

    I do not understand what is so difficult to understand about this concept.

    Heck. Djoker at this past Dubai was trying to become the first to win it 4 times in a row, and he failed.

    Something about these consecutive wins records.
     
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    No? I thought we were talking about Nadal winning MC. I have no idea if he will win or not, but to say he definitely can't is silly.
     
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    well I dont say he wont, but if Djoker does play, I dont like his chances.
     
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    Nadal has the advantage....I don't think the first clay court tourney after Miami......will have Djokovic ready to beat him. Nadal does not need match play to win on clay.....provided his record. Djokovic can lost early or lost to Nadal in the final.

    Djokovic best chances come at Rome, Madrid and RG to beat Rafa.
     
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    Now that would be real trolling.

    Master class.
     
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    Absolutely. IMO, Djokovic has all of Nadal's speed and defensive prowess, but Djokovic also has an awesome offensive potential.
     
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    sorry, i saw this pic and i just had too.. :twisted:
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    But rafa will be remember the most is his clay prowess. His accomplishment on clay overshadowed everywhere off clay. When hearing the name Nadal, CLAY spring to mind.:wink:
     
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    He is so humble. That "something " was none other than Nadal.



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    That, of course, is crap.

    Nadal's brains used to consist of only two functions. 1- How to walk straight. 2- Spin.
    Now the third is : Beat Djoker
    You bet he's obsessed....oh, not he..."they" are obsessed.
     
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    This is a great post! The reality is that Nadal's chances of defeating Novak are at absolute best slim to none. We have seen where Novak is rather tired, not playing as good as last year and he is still able to handily defeat Nadal.

    Federer had a great year in 2009 when Nadal was out, and it is very possible that Nadal will have a similar opportunity at some point. He can face reality, and be honest with himself.
     
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    See, I don't understand why people say his chances are slim to none. He almost beat Djokovic at the Australian on a) Djokovic's best surface and when b) Nadal was playing average, at best.
    If Nadal can almost win on Djokovic's best surface, why wouldn't Nadal stand a chance ANYWHERE?
     
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    Nadal wants to beat him really badly. He's too competitve not to feel that way. Obsessed? I don't know.

    But I am sure he had many sleepless nights with the way he lost that Wimbledon final. He never looked so lost in a slam final before that day.
     
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    Thanks dude! Yeah, what you say is true as well. I wouldn't say Nadal's chances against Djokovic are slim to none, but, as of right now, Nadal has no answer against him. Murray, though, seems to have it.

    Well, there were a couple things I took away from that match:
    • Djokovic clearly wasn't playing his best
    • Nadal served very well (even though he was fighting in a lot of his service games, he hit a lot of good serves and only found himself in disadvantageous situations when his serve wasn't well-placed)
    • The court was very slow, not allowing Djokovic (the more aggressive of the two) to hit through Nadal. These conditions don't hold throughout the year.
    • Nadal was also in a lot of Novak's service games.
    I didn't think Nadal played a bad match, honestly. However, to come so close and still lose isn't good enough for Nadal. Mentally, I think this match did a lot to him. But I'm going to hold off a bit on predictions until we see how Nadal does in these upcoming Masters events.
     
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    bud, ALMOST doesn't count. Rafa lost. get it? will Raf ALMOST beat Nole next time, who knows? the way things are going probably not.
     
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    nadal and federer believed the media propaganda "fed and nadal rules the decade". nothing hurts their weak egoes more than djoker jolting their
    sense of entitlement and appearance of superior maturity as men and athletes....

    djoker humiliates them because he robbed them of dominance and legendary goat status, even though he still had weaker power level and fragile health in the media-insulting and annoying hateful-crowd atmospheres.
     
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    Nole will never reach Federer's numbers.
     
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