Nadal on Grass vs. Federer on Clay

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  1. zam88

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    Is Nadal automatically better just because he's won Wimbledon one more time than Federer has won the French?

    Nadal is considered to be very good on grass, Federer just considered to be "good" on clay.


    I think we can all agree the 2008 Wimbledon was a VERY close match.. pretty much a coinflip... If Federer had been the one to gut it out that day instead of Nadal, would Nadal just be considered "good" on grass rather than very good?


    Federer has won 80% of his matches at RG, Nadal has won 85% of his matches at Wimbledon.


    who's been better off their most dominant surface?
     
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  2. akv89

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    Nadal has done more at Wimbledon (2 wins/3 finals) than Federer has at RG (1 win/4 finals/2SF). As you mentioned, Nadal's winning % is also better.

    If I had to rank their dominance by surface:

    1. Nadal on clay
    2. Federer on grass
    3. Federer on hard courts
    4. Nadal on grass
    5. Federer on clay
    6. Nadal on hard courts
     
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  3. augustobt

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    I disagree. You're citing majors as the only dominant factor. Federer has 4 Hamburg Masters titles, 2 on Madrid's Clay (one blue and one red), and other minor tournaments.

    Nadal has one and only title on Queens.
     
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  4. SLD76

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    nadal has 2 grass titles.

    Fed has what 6 clay titles?

    Granted, there are far more clay masters...but then again, were there more grass masters and 500 events, fed would have far more grass titles.

    so yes, fed is better on clay than rafa is on grass.
     
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  5. akv89

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    There are no grass court masters tournaments and Queens/Halle are mostly treated as tune-ups. Unfortunately, there isn't much else to win beyond Wimbledon on grass.
     
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    Nadal on Grass is better than Federer on Clay.

    Federer on Grass is better than Nadal on Clay.
     
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  7. lambros

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    Geez, do we need another Fed vs Nadal surface dominance thread?
     
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    This.............
     
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  9. -RF-

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    So Hard Courts And Carpet Courts Just Get Thrown Out Of The Equation Huh???
     
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  10. Def

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    Fed has 10 clay titles
     
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    all numbers put aside

    Fed has never beat Rafa at the FO

    Rafa has beat Fed at Wimbledon
     
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  12. corners

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    That'll do it.
     
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    federer has not been knocked out of the early rounds in either of these tournaments in who knows how long
     
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    even better..i honestly didnt even check, I just thought I remembered 5 or 6.
     
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    You can't really separate them, unless old grass comes back ..

    Then it would be a different story, but that's not reality, so it doesn't matter.
     
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    Not a fair or right comparison - Roger at the French Open vs Nadal at the WTF

    To be fair we should be comparing them on their weakest surfaces. Grass isn't Nadal's weakest surface but Clay is Roger's weakest surface. So it, with respect, isn't a fair comparison.

    Indoor is Nadal's weakest surface. (And before people get into 'indoor' isn't a surface - well it is in terms of how it impacts play)

    So the fair comparison would be with Roger on clay vs Nadal indoor.

    So you could compare Roger at the French Open vs Nadal at the WTF. That would give you a better comparison of how they go on their mutual weakest surfaces.
     
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  18. smoledman

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    Federer is the GOAT of blue clay!
     
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    I'm not so sure about your first statement and I definitely disagree with your second one.
     
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  20. Gangsta

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    Thread title says "Nadal on Grass vs Federer on Clay" and there are posts from *******s about hard courts and carpets and indoors and what not. And they say *******s are crazy.
     
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  21. InspectorRacquet

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    This is the correct answer. Fed at French Open and Nadal at World Tour Finals.

    Or... We could do Nadal on grass and Federer on blue clay/slow hardcourt so each player can be compared to their second weakest surface...
     
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  22. zam88

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    If Federer had beaten Nadal in 2008, would Nadal be considered better on hard court than Grass?


    If Federer had taken Nadal to a tough 5 setter just once instead of basically getting convincingly beaten every time, would things be different?


    I suppose the argument could keep going for years too...

    admittedly it seems more likely for Nadal to get a 3rd Wimbledon than for Federer to get a 2nd French..... although we're only 1 tweaked Nadal knee away from a more competitive French Open where Fed is probably at least the 3rd best current clay player.
     
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  23. zam88

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    a pretty good point... And even in Rafa's losses, the matches were tighter than any of their French open matches.


    I am a Fed Fan and I still think that Nadal on clay > Roger on Grass...

    If my life depending on one man on one surface I'm taking Nadal on clay.

    And i can't stand the guy
     
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  24. ThePro101

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    Career stats, as per the ATP World Tour site - just the numbers.

    Fed on clay:
    Wins: 176
    Losses: 53
    %: 76.9
    Titles: 10


    Nadal on grass:
    Wins: 50
    Losses: 12
    %: 80.6
    Titles: 3
     
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  25. West Coast Ace

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    There was only 1 'convincing beating' - Fed won a set in all the others. Fail.

    If you DQ Nadal for the two fake MTO's vs Petzschner (why didn't he do that against Rosol :) ), he has only one Wimby - and that against 'just happy to be there, 1st and only time in a Major Final' Berdych, then this argument loses all of its steam (BS?).
     
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