Nadal OUT of 2013 Australian Open

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  1. tennisdad65

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    Stomach virus? :)
    Good one. What will they come up with next?

    This normally takes less than a week to recover from. World class athletes should recover even quicker, unless...
     
  2. hcb0804

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    Robin Soderling, Rafa Nadal......Rafa Nadal, Robin Soderling.
     
  3. TennisLovaLova

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    Not a rafa fan
    But sad news for his fans and tennis lovers in general
    The tour is not the same without him.
     
  4. sbengte

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    Stomach virus ? Seriously? WTF ?
     
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    What % of slams has roger won where Nadal either didn't enter or got upset uncharacteristically early (before QF)

    I'd say it's a monster %.. USO 2012 is one of the few i remember him not winning.

    Knowing Nadal isn't in there invigorates him. Roger can make a run at this if the draw is right.

    I think he had no motivation at the USO after winning Wimbledon.. he was running on too high of a high... but after getting pwned by Byrdych at the USO... then Djoker at the Year End finals... the passion is back.

    Pwnerer to winerer
     
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    Nadal's game is all about mental strength and right now he has none. He doesn't want to come back on a weak note and get his ass kicked by some low ranked player early at AO. His plan is to come back and play some mediocre clay court players first so that he can feel like big man dominating some no names before playing any of the top 4.
     
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    He can forget the French Open title if he still isn't in playing shape by the end of January.
     
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    As McEnroe would famously put it: you cannot be serious!! And I'll leave it at that. (I know that even you know that a 5 set slam match is not a cushion but the biggest challenge there is fitnesswise. You really want to compare that with a best of 3 EXO?? Yeah, right...)
     
  9. decades

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    nahh. rogi is 31 going on 32. you will start to see that show up in AO.
     
  10. decades

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    thinking not allowed here. :shock:
     
  11. NatF

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    He can build fitness on the practice courts. It's just excuses. Besides that the point still stands. If he's not fit enough to play 5 set matches then playing a few rounds of best of 3 a couple weeks before is unlikely to help him that much. And 'even you know', I wasn't aware we had conversed before...
     
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    Bull. The only thing he needs to win RG is be ready by Monte-Carlo. If he skips Acapulco and doesn't do well at M-C, then I'll agree with you but we're not there yet, not by a long shot. On hard, I have 0 expectation at this point anyway. The last time he won a master on hard was IW 2009 and that's 4 years ago. Clay is a completely different story.
     
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    And you are exhibit A of that indeed.
     
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    Yeah I actually agree about Monte-Carlo. If he wins there like he usually does he'll carry that confidence forward. If he loses there for the first time in 9 years he'll be in trouble.
     
  15. decades

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    lol. do you have the stomach flu? if so you should take a 3 month break from the forum and recover.
     
  16. ec51

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    I asked this further back in the thread.

    The article mentions a surgery:

    "Nadal was originally due to play his first matches since the surgery in Abu Dhabi followed by an event in Doha. The virus has meant he has had to withdraw from both, thus depriving him of match practice and no doubt playing a large part in his decision to withdraw."

    http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/...705033061.html

    What surgery are they referring to?
     
  17. decades

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    it's all in his head. he as zero confidence.
     
  18. dudeski

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    I agree. It would be great if all top 4 played in MC and Nadal ended up losing to Djokovic in Q in easy straight sets.
     
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    AFAIK, there hasn't been any surgery. Not anything they have mentioned in any case. There could be a bit of mental apprehension playing a part in all this, it would be only natural, I'm not ruling it out. Everyone knows by now that anxiety can trigger physical symptoms, don't know the word in English but in French, it's called "somatiser". That's also why I think, it will be better for Rafa to start at a less high focus, high media attention event. Not just less competition and fewer physical demands but less stress as well.
    ETA: the negative part is: the longer one stays away, the harder it is to get back but if Delpo can negotiate that, Rafa can too for sure. And I agree (cork screw) that in normal circumstances, a stomach bug is expected to go away after a few days. I think they're using this because it's easier but obviously there is more to the decision than that.
     
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    It's not a stomach virus. A stomach virus isn't something that you project to linger for 3 weeks. That type of thing can clear up the next morning. He probably reaggrevated his knees and doesn't want to let the public know about it, most of these guys down play whatever is ailing them.
     
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    Really? When he pulled out of his warm up event i thought this was very likely.


    Like clarky i will not believe he is back til he steps on court.
     
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    Bad news for the game.
     
  23. AtomicForehand

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    No kidding. How is this not evident?

    What is wrong with all you people? Idiotic conspiracy theorists. There are barely any threads on this board worth reading because of you stupid people. You just bring the level of discussion down to junior-high/FOX News standards.
     
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    It a pity Rafa has withdrawn from the event. Coming back on clay would be the smart thing to do.

    Hope the Rafa fans can preserve their belief if Nadal comes back. If not....hope they can at least accept and appreciate what Nadal has achieved in his career.

    Del Potro took 1 year to get back to form after a 1 year layoff.

    Nadal been off for 8 months....when he comes back....the adjustment would be hard. At least he did not have surgery or extensiver nerve damage. Maybe it would take 4 month to get back to slam winning form.

    Even then it a tough wait.
     
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    No wonder Nadal's H2H records are so good. He only plays when he's absolutely 100% and playing great.
     
  26. Towser83

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    I believe Nadal is just a us open withdrawal away from a double career withdrawl slam. but to be honest if he doesn't play acapulco i would forget about hoping he ever returns.. :(
     
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    Nike (and his other sponsors) must be getting annoyed; another line of clothes that won't sell for squat.

    I think this is pretty lame - calling it off this far out - stomach viruses can get flushed out pretty fast. He could certainly play the week before (exo at Kooyoung or Sydney), then play the AO. Yeah, chances of winning would be low - but he needs to get back on court. Waiting to come back on clay just looks like his fragile ego can't take losing to another Rosol-like player.

    For those who don't like the Theories - my friends in HK who hate Nadal with a passion think he's on a cycle of some banned drug - and his chemist told him it might not be completely out of his system.
     
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    Jeez, can we not gloat at his absence? Regardless of you feelings on this, it must be a huge disappointment to Nadal and a loss to tennis and its fans in Australia who were hoping to see him.

    And if it were for a silent ban, it's even worse for tennis, nothing worth celebrating.
     
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    “Hard courts are very negative for the body,” he said. “I know the sport is a business and creating these courts is easier than clay or grass, but I am 100 per cent sure it is wrong. I may have to play more on clay than before but there aren’t that many options.”

    After contending for the No. 1 ranking earlier this tear, Nadal is now ranked No. 4, a position he should be able to hold on to entering the Australian Open.

    www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2012-09-25/10739.php

    It could also partly be down to one of those "prevention before cure" scenario's here for Rafa. Does he really want to risk missing the bread and butter to his season?

    If this is the reason ^ and he is looking to maximize his career then fair enough by him. I am caught in two minds. Is it because he feels he would be too ring rusty in terms of his game to compete and thus give away a psycological edge? You don't want to instil belief into player's and allow them to think "we can beat Rafa". Or is he jus avoiding what seems is like a 50% chance of him getting injured again?
     
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    Damn. I so wanted to see him play again... and the longer it takes for him to return, the scarier this entire 7-months-and-counting-withdrawal-history is becoming.

    My thoughts exactly. I get the feeling there's something happening on the psychological level as well - didn't Rafa state, not that long ago, that he was actually 'afraid' of returning on the tour again? I can well understand it, as the longer the recovery takes, the smaller one's confidence becomes (see Soderling, for a fitting example). If it indeed is a matter of being 'afraid' en being low on confidence, he should surely be consulting a sports psychologist, and I hope he does.
    Hope that dratted team of his (yep, don't like them, sorry) can step aside from their regular macho bs and indeed allow Rafa to get some aid in the mental department, should such be necessary.

    Yes, a month off because of a stomach virus makes no sense. In 99% of cases with young people (and 26-27 is still very young indeed), it's a matter of a week puking-and-****ting at its very worst (and most usually patients recover within about three days time). Even if it seriously interfers with training etc. for a while, there's still weeks of time left to at least try and get back into shape. Throwing the towel right now already makes no sense, unless indeed there's more to meet the eye going on here, and let me emphasize that I do not believe the 'rumours' going on - I rather fear it may just be matter of not just 'a' virus but a more serious condition, OR indeed the psychological factor that comes along with these kind of experiences.
    If the problem is indeed largely mental, postponing the comeback till Acapulco - smaller tournament, clay - might actually be a very good move.
    Bummer, indeed. :(
     
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    Why not come to Rotterdam poor rafa? Its closer and points are shorter
     
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    Nadal is obviously on some thing I mean... since his supposed injury (which was in the summer), we've seen dozens of pictures of him on holidays, having a good time, skiing, training etc... and yet... he can't play? :-?

    Somethings up and Team Nadal know it.
     
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    It's the perfect scenario for Nadal :D to have a year very similar to 2010. And the dominance will start at Acapulco2013. :p
     
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    How's the CYGS looking now? :)
     
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    Sorry, I didn't hear that Nadal was retiring in 2013. And Laver, another left-handed player, did it at a much older age than Nadal. And Nadal is the only player to win slams on clay, grass and hard-court all in a calendar year. That on its own is as good as a CYGS done in Laver's time. :p
     
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    The difference was that Laver's body wasn't falling apart like Rafa's.
     
  37. DropShotArtist

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    You said he was going to win the CYGS in 2012.
     
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    If you were not crazy then I would feel pity for you , as it is I just find you LOL :)
     
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    If he doesn't make it back by his trip to the Latin Clay, I fear he could be done. I was really hoping that he would make it back by now, but the longer this is going on, the worse this is getting. He needs to be back in the mix of things, tennis needs him.
     
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    If getting back to 100% is really the priority, we will be seeing even more injury withdraws after his comeback. As a plain simple argument, injuries are part of this sport. If he has to rest now to get back to 100%, there is no guarantee that he will maintain his knee at 100 after that.

    There's a proverb (in tamil) which translates to, "To the one who got frightened, even a small rumble would sound like ghost"... If Rafa is truly concerned to that extent, even without any injury, there would still be wear and tear and every small niggle would scare the s**t out of him and we'll be seeing even more... "I need to be at 100% to play"

    The fact of the matter is, he has absolutely torn his knees chasing down every single ball and now the reaction is in an irreversible state - neither he can make drastic changes to his style now, nor can he participate without fear of getting his sockets dislodged.

    Its best for him now to properly consider his future schedule and playing style.
     
  41. Hitman

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    That was Nadal Won 2012. A completely different user who has not posted on here ever since he was banned. :)
     
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    I don't believe in the whole 'silent ban' conspiracy thing. If ATP knows anything, and is trying to cover it up, sooner or later it will come out, and the damage at that point will be far greater than just coming clean now.

    Most likely, there's nothing more to it than what Rafa is saying. All the false starts make it look suspicious, but maybe that's just him being optimistic and eager to get back. But his camp realizes that coming back when he is not really ready would be a bad move, so they keep pushing the date back whenever there is a setback.

    But there is the possibility of another thing - that the treatment for the knees involved some HGH or similar, and that it needs time to work its way out of his system, but hasn't fully done so yet.
     
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    This drama is getting old.. really old.
     
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    why bother? because you love playing tennis and playing any major is an honor and a luxury never afforded to the majority of people who turn pro?

    seriously, though, after wimbledon i predicted he would be back for the clay season, earliest, and it looks like i was right. here's why i made the guess i did: nadal hates tennis. the sport, and how to play it, was something imposed on him before he ever had a chance to choose what he wanted to do with his life. it's clear as day through his constant whining about the tour, length of season, blah blah blah, he doesn't like being out there. that he so routinely flaunts the conventions of the game with regards to time violations, waiting too long in the locker room, etc. etc. is a clear tell of the disdain he holds for the sport, these are the little victories he wins for himself so as not to feel like this life he didn't choose owns him completely. contrast this behavior to federer, who, even if you aren't a fan, you must concede clearly loves this sport, and not just because he's constantly telling us, although that counts for a lot.

    at 26 years of age he's just finally realizing his identity distinct from the tennis playing automaton that uncle tony built to satisfy his vicarious yearnings for professional competition. will be interesting to see how this plays out.
     
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    Yeah, they are all pseudo Bullzillas.


    LOLLLLLLLLLLL
     
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    Nope, it is way more than that and nothing to do with the "knee."
     
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    The conspiracy theorists should be laughing at the gullible Nadal fans. :twisted:
     
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    Maybe it is time for even YOU to put that hat on, hmmm? :)
     
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    Ding, ding, ding!
     
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    No way..............
     

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