Nadal OUT of 2013 Australian Open

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  1. Ico

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    If there was ever a time for organizers to fix a draw, now would be smart. Without Rafa, interest in the Aussie Open is going to drop. If Federer gets a nightmare draw (Berdych/Delpo - Murray - Djokovic), it certainly won't help. Let's have Ferrer in Roger's half this time and spare the audience from a 7 hour final between Nolé and Andrew.
     
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    Maybe they have been but what you are not seemingly understanding is Nadal is the one who has had the most focus put on him throughout the years for this issue. Nobody is saying the other top players do not dope, but you would be foolish to think Nadal has not been the chief suspect. Does the Fuentes list ring any bells for you? Forget about what should or should not be in this case because we are dealing with elite tennis stars here and the rules are different, but just look at the facts at hand and if you do, it is Nadal who is absent from the tour, not Djokovic or Federer. If and when they have long absences you can speculate all you want about them, but for the time being it is Nadal who is gone.
     
  3. Clarky21

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    They are all doping. Singling out one player is biased and unfair. I do not believe that none of them have never tested positive if Nadal has. Until there is actual proof, and not just speculation about a player that some do not like, I will never believe in this silent ban stuff. It's far too easy to dope and never get caught these days so being banned would be remote.
     
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    Not surprised he pulled out from Australian Open, probably has no stomach virus, its more that after long layoff the pressure would be huge to make comeback at grand slam.
     
  5. veroniquem

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    Great opportunity for Fed, that's for sure. I can see another slam final landing on his lap, the not so hard way. All it would take is a soft draw until semi, then Ferrer. He'd better pray for Djoko not to make the final though, his window of opportunity for an AO win against Novak being long shut imo.
     
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    Fed-Djoker are still toss ups.

    The last 4 sets they played on hard courts were: 6-0 7-6(7) 6-7(6) 5-7

    With Fed having 2 set points in the last set.

    Yes Cinci is a fast court but London courts aren't that fast, just slightly low bouncing, and I think they've slowed London down this year as well.

    Don't forget Fed is burnt out by the year end, plus having to play Murray the day before. Now it's a new season, you get a day off between matches. If Fed gets Ferrer and Novak battles through Murray, Fed's got a chance. I mean it's not like Fed would let it go to a 6 hour slugfest.

    As a Fed fan I'm hyped up for the draw now, ultimately I want to see a Federer Vs Djokovic final, regardless of result.
     
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    Ok, believe whatever you want. Nobody said life is always fair. Look at the Lance Armstrong case. Clearly all of the top cyclists dope but Armstrong became the chief target primarily because he was a manipulative bully in the whole process and an outside investigation started. Whose to say there is not an outside investigation being done in tennis currently? In any case, relax, no elite player is likely to be caught and outed for doping at least while they are still active in the sport.
     
  8. Ico

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    The way I see it, Federer playing at his weakest slam vs. Djokovic at his ideal slam is skewed in favor of Djokovic. In 2011, Fed was coming off of a dominant end to 2010 and a victory in Doha, and he lost in straights.
     
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    You are totally right. Chances are slim. However, in 2011 Djokovic was zoning and it was closer than the score suggested. Fed is nog hopeless but certainly a huge underdog.
     
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    As long as the doping controls in tennis are as weak as they apparently are, I do not trust ANY Top Player to be 'clean'.

    The fact that there's been an increasing amount of slow/low bouncing courts in past decade only adds to the incentive to indeed dope for players, and as such, only adds fuel to this suspicion.

    Cycling has been the scape-goat for all sports for the time being and I can only hope that the PTB will call for a massive clean-out in other sports just as much.

    Not counting on that to happen, unfortunately, as it always is, Money Talks and **** Wallks! *barf*
     
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    I was actually surprised when I heard it this morning, but as the day goes on, I'm left to ask myself, "why am I so surprised?" I find the timing of the "virus" to be rather ironic.
     
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    Against RF, ND, AM & JMDP combined clay was the playing surface 34 out of 88 times. Clay skewed?
    Novak toyed with Rafa on clay in 2011 and Federer's a former champion of the big one (granted he beat seven guys he'd never lost to, still its gotta count for something.)

    'My goal is not Abu Dhabi, it is not Doha, it is not the Australian Open — my goal is try to be fit, to be 100 per cent recovered with my knee and 100 per cent fit in personal performance by Indian Wells.' These withdrawals are expected, they're not remotely shocking.
     
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    He's been the #1 player. His return to the game is news one way or the other. Just like Monica Seles' comeback was.
     
  14. NLBwell

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    That's the problem, you don't recover so quickly when you get older.
     
  15. Retaliation

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    Also, if Federer or Djok were to pull out of yet another slam, they would get just as many threads. Besides, half of the posts regarding Nadal are from two members of tennis talk, both adamantly sticking up for it/him.
     
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    You mean high bouncing? If the court is slow then the ball won't skid like it does on a faster surface.
     
  17. Clarky21

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    Not even close.
     
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    We'll never find out because Fed and Djok have good knees and stomachs I guess.
     
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    Federer has not missed a slam since the US Open in 1999!
     
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    I think the illness thing is a lie. I think the 'practise' sessions were for show.

    This is a commercial decision - Rafa is quite possibly finished now, but his commercials and sponsorships are lucrative and it would not pay for him to retire.

    So they film him hitting a few balls and reports come through about good practise sessions before they contrive this excuse to bail out of the AO.

    Look what happened with Woods when he collapsed - his sponsors deserted him and the ads dried up. He lost millions.

    Nadal is not stupid nor are his team - sadly he may well be finished but he's still a multimillion earner and no point in losing those deals for a while yet.
     
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    How do you compare Nadal's knee problems to a cheating, philandering scumbag like Tiger Woods? The two situations are not even remotely the same.
     
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    Yes, they would Clarky. If Djokovic and Federer had missed the number of slams Nadal has, there would be the same amount of suspicion but it is Nadal who is missing all of these slams. If you are a reasonable person, you have to ask yourself why and what is going on here. If you believe it is really only due to knee injuries that is fine, but you can't expect everybody to believe that especially when he was beastly at the FO and at W this year.
     
  23. Clarky21

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    No there would not be. Look at the main page right now. Do you see how many useless and worthless threads have been started today? Do you honestly think that any of this stuff would stand a chance of being posted if it did not concern Nadal? No way on earth.
     
  24. Towser83

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    Maybe not Djokovic, but for Federer there would be. The fact he has played so many slams in a row without missing one or retiring would make it huge news if he did. Maybe not all the same type of threads, but it would generate loads of posts about it.
     
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    No offense but Nadal is asking for it this time. This is a joke how his PR team has handled this whole thing.
     
  26. Retaliation

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    Maybe. It makes sense, but no way to tell unless he comes back.
     
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    This is probably true. The difference would be the tone of the posts/threads as there would not be a flood of hate threads started about him like they are for Nadal. The main page is inundated with them right now. It's pathetic and ridiculous the way some of these people behave on here when their public enemy #1 is injured, loses, or pulls out of a tournament.
     
  28. Towser83

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    you're always obsessed with Fed's draw. At the US Open he got Murray in his half. But if this time he lands in Djokovic's half you will be moaning about lucky draws again.
     
  29. raging

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    Nadal polarises the tennis world that is for sure: tt reflects a bit of this.
    Everybody has an opinion & that is good.
     
  30. Towser83

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    yeah I agree that I don't like to see the glee in people's posts. I think there would definitely be 4 or 5 Fedhaters posting if that happened with him, but here you have a widespread case, not all out and out nadal haters but this whole 6 month out and constant delays coming back has stirred up a lack of patience leading to a lack of sympathy and now the conspiracy theories grow. It's an interesting study of behavior.

    Personally I don't know what to believe. It's like "now something else is stopping you?" Either really bad luck, combined with low confidence/reluctance to return on HC so and go soon into a major, or he's not telling the fully story about why he's not playing. I'm not talking about a silent ban, it could be health, being tired with tennis, maybe even some sort of fear of returning or depression. I really don't not want to speculate on that though cos it's just a wild guess based on no evidence except experience of being a human being and other people's lives.
     
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    This is weird but, logically, not a bad move. If he misses the FO, he is as good as retired.
     
  32. veroniquem

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    Not at the AO, sorry mate. Even against Nadal on clay, Fed manages to grab a set but he is 0-6 vs Novak at AO (in the last 5 years). Do you realize how uncharacteristic this is for Fed at any slam ? The player with the best chance of upsetting Novak is Murray. It was true at the USO, true during the fall and it's still true at the AO. I agree that at the USO, it's been a toss up in the last 3 years but even there, it won't last forever, Fed will be 32 at the next USO, it's gonna start becoming a tough ask.
     
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    All these speculations sound pretty exaggerated. Regardless of how his knee is doing (and maybe it’s not yet 100% right, and maybe it never will be) the fact is he hasn't played a match since June, and just when he was about to play some preparation matches, he gets a stomach virus. Those things can leave you very weak and drained, and it may take up to two weeks or more to regain your normal energy level. So between one thing and another he would have to come back right into a slam, on his worst surface, after not playing for more than 6 months, with almost no preparation, and just after a gastroenteritis. Sure, he could choose to play anyway, but it’s not difficult to understand why he may think there is no point in doing so if he feels he can’t compete. How many top players can you name who ever chose to make a slam their first tournament after more than 6 months without playing? As Mustard mentioned, he doesn’t HAVE to do anything except wait until he feels ready to play again, whenever and wherever he chooses.
     
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    Last time I checked, tennis was a sport, and we were allowed to dislike certain players. I love American football (NFL), and I don't like other teams other than my favorite. I respect certain players of other teams, but others I wish they would retire. I don't wish something evil like death or whatever, but I either don't like their game, attitude, etc. to where I wish they were done. Another example for me is the Lakers of the NBA. I can't wait for Kobe Bryant to retire, but I don't wish him evil. As I said, this is sports, and there are certain players I don't like watching. Nadal is the Kobe Bryant to me (keep in mind I mean nothing of their comparisons of their personal lives). I don't know why people have to wish something awesome for every pro player of any sport, that's why we love sports and those who excel at it: you develop a favorite and don't usually care too much for those who challenge your favorite.
     
  35. psYcon

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    yea right. Nadal won't even get deep into the Monte Carlo draw this year. Last year was his last title. He's done . Will never be the same player again.
     
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    I would say Djokovic is the decided favourite against Federer at the AO. Probably 70-30 or 75-25, but Federer has a chance, and it may be a little better than what I'm giving him tbh. In 2008, Djokovic of course deserved his victory, but Fed was clearly not 100%, and he was serving for the first set in that match. In 2011 Djokovic was other worldly as it turned out, and Federer served to tie that match at 1 set apiece. Now I realize I am only talking about sets here, but Federer has a chance in any match he plays on a HC. The only match over the years where I genuinely thought he had zero chance was the 2011 RG final against Nadal, and strangely enough he had a set point in the first set of that match as well, and then he served for it. Then it all went downhill for him from there.
     
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  39. veroniquem

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    Keep your illusions, that's ok, but the AO surface favors Novak's game against Fed quite a bit. It's every bit as unlikely for Fed to defeat Djoko at AO these days as it is for him to defeat Nadal at RG. Does it mean he'd have 0 chance? Maybe not but the odds are not good. And like RG 2009, he would have a much better chance if that player was out of the way.
     
  40. monfed

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    LOL Exactly. Well said.
     
  41. Towser83

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    Well you are entitled to your free speech but likewise I'm entitled to mine and saying I don't like people being gleeful that someone's career might be at an end. I like seeing players I dislike getting beaten but if they are better than everyone in a tournament I have to accept it. I don't want anyone retiring young.

    I don't totally agree.Usually when Fed plays Nadal at RG, you get the feeling he will win a set but some sets Nadal will dominate. 2011 is the only time where I think Federer could have won more than 2 sets (first 3 sets were all winnable) With Djokovic at the AO in 2008 and 2011 and also at the US Open in 2007 and 2009 are cases of every set being tight but one guy winning them all. I feel if Federer could get the first set vs Djokovic he would have a shot. Say if Djokovic has a couple of hard matches, that could make the difference. Still would make Djokovic a big favourite, but not as big as Nadal is at RG.
     
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    I have to agree with you. Federer needs Djokovic out of the way on this surface to stand a good shot at the title.
     
  43. MichaelNadal

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    Man this sucks. Im over Rafa right now.
     
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    Spoken like a true bandwagoner. Just like all *******s on this site. Most are lonely middle-aged women oggling at Nadal's famous ***.:)
     
  45. monfed

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    You mean you'll stop supporting him? So who are you gonna root for?
     
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    Hey buddy, how are things? I can imagine your frustrations regarding Rafa, even I was looking forward to him coming back. I was watching the final highlights from last year, right before I found out he was out.
     
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    Woods came back after all his problems and is still playing golf, Nadal doesn't strike anyone as person that would quit tennis like that and lie to media/sponsors to gain extra wealth. In my opinion Nadal sets the bar really high for himself and would not want to risk losing at the early rounds of Aussie open.
     
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    You really need a life. I'm over waiting to see when he's coming back and being excited about him returning. He's still my favorite player. I'm just done worrying about him until I see him step on a court.

    Something bigger than what's being said is going on with him. I don't like the way it smells, idk. For the AO id like to see someone new win at this point. Now that the Muzz has won a slam, I really don't care, as long as it isn't Novak.

    I'm doing good man, had a great Christmas. I was watching those highlights a couple days ago myself. Amazing stuff and im dying to see him play again, it's been forever. Old WCW matches on youtube are so sweet btw :)
     
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