Nadal: Players Will Burn Out

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  1. Chopin

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    Of course he's right. This applies to the WTA, as well. The greed and thoughtless establishment of too many tournaments hurts careers though the injury and burnout Nadal mentioned.

    Ah, but even amongst fans, instead of being concerned for the players, some only think of their desire for entertainment--player health (and ultimately longevity) be damned.
     
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    This was true even before Nadal was on the scene,I don't see why it is so surprising to so many people. That is why players miss certain events or even tank in some mandatory events in the first rounds. Sometimes it feels like there is too much tennis and that it isn't evened out properly throughout the season. Not to mention the fact that 50% of the tour is played on the toughest surface for the body,HC. What the hell happened to grass? Grass season lasts about a month or so. That's just wrong.Clay is the only survivor from the HC onslaught,claiming about a third of all atp tournaments. And where the hell did carpet go to?
     
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    Then he should just not play..he can afford it.
     
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    That's a losers game.
     
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    This is like Nadal saying he is feeling burnt out.
     
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    *yawn*

    wake me up when he doesn't oppose what doesnt suit HIM.

    (i.e. drug tests, the tour schedule, hardcourts etc...)
     
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    He's not the only player against too many tournaments. He-like others--are mere players, not workhorses or machines.
     
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    give me 20 names (out of 1800 ranked atp pros)
     
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    Serena makes too many excu...... oops :shock: >>> sorry, I didn't realize this was, Nadal talking.
     
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    What do you have against Nadal? Maybe he didn't sign an autograph at a tournament you were at? Maybe he hasn't been responding to your letters? Or maybe he just has a winning record against your hero?
     
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    ^^She , erhmm I mean he has a winning record against, Mcenroe??
     
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    Ok, how many of those players complaining are outside of the top ten? The top one hundred?

    It seems like it was good enough while they were climbing up the rankings but now they are at the top, its not a good thing. But they don't want to just stop playing those tournaments because then that might affect their ranking and they can't pick up those hefty appearance fees if they fall down the rankings. :cry: So of course the tour must reduce so they can play less tournaments and still get big appearance fees. :)
     
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    Blake, Nadal, Safin, and Roddick are all on record in the past year saying the season is too long, and I'm sure they aren't the only ones that have those sentiments. Don't kill the messenger - don't attack Nadal for saying what everyone else believes and knows is true, the season is too long.
     
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    ^^ Nadal knows well that the tour will suffer if the ATP gives in to his convenience.Sure,Nadal is not the only one to complain about the tour.But then again,the guy dosent complain he literally whines all the time (and mostly when he loses.) .He'd do better to come up with a reasonable solution
     
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  16. Im sure this wouldnt be a problem for players like Blake-no disrespect i like him and i even saw when he won Stockholm Open the other year and he gets a lot of appearance money for playing tournaments so im sure he shouldnt have a problem with this, and in all fairness neither Blake or Safin has had any deep runs in tournaments for years.
     
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    But isn't he right though? The season is too long, that is why so many players burn out on both tours. It's ridiculous how in tennis you're viewed as old at 25, while in other sports you can play well into your mid and late 30s. Don't you think the length of the season has something to do with guy's careers being so short in comparison to other sports?
     
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  18. I have a solution, lets erase some off the clay-court tournaments!! How about that! And extend the grasscourt-"season"...if 3-4 weeks deserves too be called a season.
     
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    But on one hand these players demand sky-high appearance fees..leave alone all the ammenities they need and on the other hand they want the ATP to cut short upon its sources of income.Wont work.Tennis is as it is an expensive sport.People outside top 100 still struggle to make it through financially.They need these tournaments.
    The fans,again,there are tennis fans all over the world..they deserve fair opportunities to watch their favourite players.
    How will a sport like tennis get promoted otherwise?
    These are just a few of the problems..I'm sure the ATP could put up a small list.
    Fact is-Players like Nadal can afford to be in-charge of their own schedule and can opt out of a few events if they so wish.
     
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    I think a better idea is for Nadal to go play on the WTA tour.
     
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  21. Thats actually not a bad idea, lots off baby-mama-drama going on there
     
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    I think the biggest problem is that you can't go more than a month without there being a mandatory event or Davis Cup tie. So if someone wanted to skip all the tournaments after the US Open, they'd miss three mandatory events, plus they'd possibly "let down their country" if a Davis Cup tie was on the schedule.

    So my suggestion is, have all mandatory events AND Davis Cup held during an 8 or 9 month period and then play the rest of the events all year long.
     
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    Yup, he will be the queen of drama! Although, I'm sure Serena will have a thing or two to say about that.
     
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  24. They would clash soo hard! :shock:
     
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    good point. my hat goes off to guys who are able to grind it out at the top of the tour, 5+ day tournaments, week in and week out. it sheds some light on how much guys have to go through in order to stay on top and hold the number 1 spot for x number of consecutive weeks.
     
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    I agree, It is difficult to have the mental and physical ability, let alone the passion for something you play year round at such a high level.

    It's not a reasonable schedule right now and that is one of the big reasons tennis players almost age in dog years.
     
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    He brings up good points, but it's unsurprising that the loudest outcry against the schedule is from the WORST scheduler in tennis history - he could have opted to skip Monte Carlo; he didn't. He could have skipped Beijing and Shanghai, like Roger and Murray, and risk whatever weak punishment the ATP wouldn't dare attack him with anyway; he didn't.

    It is too long, but if scheduled correctly, one can effectively avoid burnout and avoid playing an absurd amount of matches. His point about playing the most or second most matches every year is ridiculously whiny; the other members top players have the same expectations on them, yet rarely do their number of matches come remotely close to his. Not just singles, but for whatever reason, he thinks it is a wise decision to play quite a few doubles matches every year, too: over twenty last year and over ten this year.
     
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    everyone plays the same schedule. So if some players are able to play the full schedule, it is to their full credit.

    players at the end of the day are in charge of their performances and their schedule.
     
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    yet, he keeps playing doubles...
     
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    If Nadal is so concerned about players getting injuried and being burned out for starters he should lobby for the return of carpet for the entire indoor season as a legitimate surface again since it's easier on the legs than HC and points are much shorter(less rallies,less running around etc.).

    Also returning Wimbledon and USO to it's 90s speeds would be great as well since as I said shorter rallies and less running=less injuries.
     
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    And what do you have against Federer?

    He hasn't been responding to your love letters? :oops:
     
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    Yeah, what was with the decision to no longer play on carpets? That was the best part about the fall indoor season.
     
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    I don't get an off-season from my work. If Nadal and Roddick don't want to play, maybe Soderling, Del Potro and Djokovic can step up. There are fans around the world who would love to see action in winter. I also can't see why they are afraid to lose. OK, you feel tired, you lose early and go away. The guy who is not feeling tired wins and moves on to the next round. Survival of the fittest. Or survival of the guy who happens to be feeling OK that day. Either way, fans get their tennis around the year.
     
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    Yeah, I don't get it. It went extinct along with astroturf in the NFL.
     
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    Doesn't he practice 8 hours a day?? Maybe that would contribute to a short career?
     
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    and let the ladies scratch his ass:twisted:
     
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    in this age where tennis is as physical as ever, players complaining about the schedule cos their joints ache.

    fedbeast has 21 consecutive semifinals.

    LOL.
     
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    He's right, but its been said before.

    The schedule has been a mess for years, even going back to the 70's when the Davis Cup final was played the day after christmas.
     
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    This is acceptable. Too many clay court tournaments.
     
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    I would love to sympathize with self-employed multimillionaires like Rafael Nadal. I really would. Pray for me. :evil:
     
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    should just change the rankings so grand slams carry most of the ranking points and also get rid of the silly fines imposed on players skipping masters events
     
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    brilliant post

    Can't stand ******, never have, never will...

    Multiply your typical hatred for serena on these boards multiplied by three and you roughly have my opinion of him.

    No-one is forcing nadal to play any tournamnets...comprehende?

    Just don't play Indian wells or Miami if you end up feeling burnt out.

    If you do...how about developing a game less taxing on the body..eg
    a decent serve creating weak returns etc..that results in less body wear.

    I'm starting to tkae drakulie's approach to anything nadal says.

    for example...what was forcing him to play all those events in dubai start
    of the year...and all three clay masters series? why play IW and Miami?

    The season is fine..just change the ranking system a little...best 5 of9
    masters-series results etc...and don't have to play all of them..

    This is where at least...I can't stand the ATP either..pathetic $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
     
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    Nadal, right? Please.

    Mr play it safe, diplomatically correct Nadal.

    He only says what people want to hear. This is what people want to hear.
     
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    Or his fans, should i say, want to hear.
     
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    Agreed; i says much that any "fan" would argue against anything that would aid the player.
     
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    add to me last post: get rid of the silly ranking point penalties for skipping events too
     
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    Whether Federer "complains" about the schedule or not, it clearly affects him.

    First he dropped out of Dubai and Davis Cup earlier in the year, complained about his back and was glad that the hardcourt season was over, dropped out of Halle due to exhaustion, and then dropped out of Tokyo and Shanghai after the US Open due to fatigue.

    Whether he says it or not, his actions indicate that the season is too long for him, also.

    Same goes for other guys who don't say anything about the season, like Murray, who withdrew in Dubai, dropped out of Davis Cup earlier in the year, and skipped Tokyo and Shanghai due to "wrist injury"

    Del Potro skipped Cincinnati after a very tiring HC season after Wimbledon

    Nadal, Roddick, and others are only saying what others are making clear through their actions.
     
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  50. Baikalic

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    3-4 weeks is definitely too short.
    How many Clay tournies are there compared to HC tournies?
     
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