Nadal switched his playing style?

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  1. Satch

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    So do you think he has become more aggressive (since last year RG final), he now stands closer to the baseline (he used to stand 2-3 meters behind), also his FH have much more depth, and a little less spin, also much more pace.

    Also Fedex said this:
    “He no longer plays short balls, the way he did in the past. You can no longer attack him on his forehand, the way I could in the past,” said Federer, now 6-11 overall against Nadal, 1-9 on clay. “He is getting much more aggressive, and it’s becoming much more difficult.”

    Anyway, this style is a killer, really amaizing.

    Whay do you think? :???:
     
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  2. babbette

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    can you please post the full transcript? I can't find it anywhere. I can't find Nadal's either.:oops:
     
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  3. MichaelNadal

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    Thats whats so cool about it.... his balls were always very effective but short so he must have thought.... hey, why dont I stand in closer? And boy is it ever working.
     
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  4. tricky

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    Yeah, it's a reflection of his continuing experience with playing on hard court surfaces. He started to play this style during Wimbledon last year, playing a more offensive game (i.e. coming over) and especially using his BH (great angles, if not depth) to take you off the court. The one thing that people hadn't been picking up the past 2 clay seasons is how Nadal's been cutting down the time it takes him to finish points and sets.

    Joker plays a similar game (high percentage shots but on the rise of his opponent), and that is partially why he stood in there longer than Federer. But Nadal is more effective from both wings when it's clay.

    Basically, I think Federer's strategy has been correct. Forcing Nadal into a North-South game theoretically cuts off his passing shots and at least enables you the possibility to finish the point with a winner. It's also inherently a strategy that is not suited for clay, regardless of whether you use a SW grip or a Wstern grip, whether you use a 1H BH or a 2 hander. And Federer has historically resisted playing this style on slow surface, including during his tenure with Roche.

    BUT, given the alternative of playing a lateral grinder game, you almost have to do it. Federer on his best day, playing a true East-West game, trying to control the center of the court and force his opponent to generate errors, probably cannot beat Nadal on clay now. He covers the baseline better than anybody else on tour. When you pull him on his BH side, that just enables him to hit a BH shot with even more ludicrious CC angle. If you bite on a Nadal moon ball, you have to try to pass him immediately, otherwise, he'll exploit your position and hit to the opposite court.

    Federer's mindset now is that he can beat Nadal on clay only in the sense of playing a true offensive game where he literally makes low percentage shot after shot to win points. Push Nadal back; finish him off early. Unfortunately, the last time Federer played like this was before his dominant era.

    That all said, I actually enjoyed how Federer played during the FO. Come Wimbledon, he's going to kick a lot of ass.
     
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  5. NikeWilson

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    Nadal's confidence is growing stronger. Clay is his ultimate surface.
    Fed is losing confidence with each passing year.
     
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  6. Satch

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  7. flyer

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    yeah absolutely is getting better, and yes hes much more agressive, when he first came up he used to run around 10 ft behind the baseline and track down as many balls as possible until his opontent hit and error, now he dictates play and still have the defense when he needs it but is great at the transition game, backhand, at net, and serves bigger....its scary

    Djokovic and Nadal are getting better, Federer has kind of maxed out on his potential, thats why he will be passed by both, not because hes lost it but because Nadal and Djokovic have not only caught him, but will soon surpass him
     
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    Everyone has already put this guy on his grave.Can u wait till the end of the year?All you trolls dont know ******** about tennis.There are 2 slams still left!!!
     
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  12. robin7

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    “He dominated from the first point until the end,” said Federer, who hadn’t lost a 6-0 set since 1999, and hadn’t won fewer than 5 games in a match since 2002. “It’s the strongest Rafa that I’ve ever seen. He was more dominant than the previous years.”

    The above basically summarises the article.
     
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    Thank you for a sensible and generally possitive post about Federer.
     
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    "ROGER FEDERER: Because I want to win at everything. I have no preference."

    best line of the interview.
     
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    "Q. Imagine it's 2009 and this little fairy comes to you and says, You're going to win one tournament, but you have to choose: Wimbledon or Roland Garros. Which one?

    ROGER FEDERER: I don't want to answer these stupid questions anymore. They're too stupid."

    hahahaha. Great Roger :)
     
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  16. TheTruth

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    Worst question of the interview. Shameful!

    Q. You talked about your disease and the problems you had at the beginning of this season, and all the hard work you had to put in to come back to your best level. Many times during this tournament you said that you felt you were at 100% of your physical abilities. Now tell us the truth. Weren't you lying a bit to us about that? And do you genuinely feel at the top level, the level you were at before your disease?
     
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  17. zagor

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    Thanks for this part,coming from a knowledgable poster like yourself this gives me hope as a Fed fan that he can win Wimbledon again.The rest of the post is great as well,helps me understand how Nadal developed his game over the last few years.
     
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  18. flyer

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    Idk if you consider me knowledgeable but Im not so sure, I got to believe losing that badly means something, there a difference between a bad day and 61 63 60 if your Federer, and that it is a pretty rough blow to the confidence either way
     
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  19. Satch

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    If i were Roger at this press conference i would throw a bomb on these retarded people who ask retarded questions.
    too much questions IMO, i would just go home and let them f*ck themselfs.
    You can see all the evil trough that Q's.

    He is really a patient good guy, Roger is the man.

    GO ROGER get the Wimbly and US...
     
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  20. zagor

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    Well IMO Wimbledon will be very interesting this year with 3 major contenders Federer,Nadal,Djokovic and after them Roddick has the best chance.I think Federer would have been more mentally shaken if he had lost a close match(meaning he had the chance to win but it slipped away) as in this case he can just say too good and try to forget it(that's just my opinion,could be wrong).
    Tricky is one of the most knowledgable posters here(I remember when he picked Djokovic in 3 over Federer in AO when very few people thought it would go that way),his posts are sometimes hard to understand(especially if english is not your first language like in my case)but if you take an effort to try to read his posts carefully and analyze them then there's a lot of tennis knowledge there IMO.So if he says Fed will do good at Wimbledon it certainly raises my hopes as a Fedfan.
     
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  21. flyer

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    fair enough, just so you know, i picked djokovic in three at the AO as well, won money on it actually ;-)
     
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  22. Nadal_Monfils

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    Federer said he and Nadal only played once on grass, I guess he forgot about the 2006 Wimbledon.
     
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  23. Melissa

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    I am a Nadal fan but have always recognized Fed's awesome tennis skills. After Fed's interview I am now a fan of his too.
    Djokovich should have as much class and humility as either Nadal or Federer. The men's top three. Two men and a boy.
    Hopefully Djok. will mature and I will be able to enjoy his person as well as the player.
     
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  24. zacinnc78

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    if i had time id do it ....but...could somebody do a "you know "and "i mean" count from federers interviews?lol ...that would be an amazing number i think:)
     
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  25. jackson vile

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    Did you see Roger? Guy looks deathly ill and then some, I hope he gets better. No BS I am serious
     
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  26. quest01

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    If Nadal plays the way he did at RG, there is no doubt he will win Wimbledon. Also Federer was 100% healthy today against Nadal and he lost because he was simply outplayed.
     
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  27. whereisz

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    Yea, he's so pale and seemed to lost weight compare to last year... no energy whatsoever during today's match.
     
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  28. MariaS

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    He complimented Nadal a lot and didn't make up any silly excuses for his own playing. Got to admire Roger.
    I've always thought of him as a gentleman and he was just that in his interview. :)
     
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  29. David L

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    Grass has nothing to do with clay. You cannot defend and hit open stance backhands on grass, the way you can on clay. Nadal will not look as impressive as he has during the clay season, but should do reasonably well on the other surfaces. He is just a different animal on clay.
     
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  30. TheTruth

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    He doesn't look right. I don't remember him looking so thin. He's always been small, but he, I don't know, it's weird. I'll have to go back and look at some tapes, but his skin looked jaundiced. In the beginning when he was standing next to Nadal, I thought he usually looks more pinkish, now he looks a bit yellowish. I'll have to check it out though.
     
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  31. ta11geese3

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    Thanks for the chat transcript! Good to see roger is as graceful as ever in his losses. And props to nadal (read some of his interviews)- a graceful champion also!
     
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  32. Satch

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    I think the opposite way. Look at his belly, it looks bigger than before, that is why he can’t run as good as before. Federer got lazy, that's the fact.
     
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