Nadal the Best Volleyer in the Top 4?

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  1. GasquetGOAT

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    IIRC, McEnroe has said again during the Aus Open that Nadal is the best volleyer among the top 4. Searching through some of the old threads, McEnroe has made this claim quite a few times since 2010. I, for one, find this claim absolutely amusing when you can often count the number of times Nadal came to the net, on one hand. He may have a high winning percentage at the net but does that make him a better volleyer than Murray, Djokovic and Federer?




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    Nadal looks like a better volleyer because usually when he is at net, he is in a winning position(i.e. pouncing on an easy put away, being drawn in , hitting a good approach and then pouncing on an easy put away).

    If we want to judge his net play, lets see what he does on a faster court when he comes in of his own volition.
     
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    Not even close. :lol:
     
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    aaaa.... no.
     
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    McEnroe also claims the only player he has seen with hands as good as his own is Donald Young. :confused:
     
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    He said that?

    How is he still allowed to commentate?
     
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    Instead of categorizing them as volleys, should they be called "put aways". Maybe he IS the best at easy Put-aways, not volleys?
     
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    Id buy that for a dollar.

    Unfortunately, thats not how its done officially.
     
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    Marc Lopez has better volleys than Nadal.
     
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    bullocks. nadal is probably the worst, as far as technique goes. he has great hands but poor volleying technique. kind of chops at the ball on the backhand side. federer and murray have perfect technique, djokovic isn't far behind. Nadal = great hands, poor volley technique.
     
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    He doesn't even have the best volleys out of the top 4 in Spain.
     
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    Not the best, but probably the smartest.
     
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    What does that even mean? :-?
     
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    meaning that he wisely deposits the easy put away into the open court.
     
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    Meaning knowing one's own shortcomings? If I suck at doing something then don't do it too often, no? Nadal is smart!
     
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    He's the best putawayer.
     
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    mac says alot when the day is long.

    nadal does actually have a pretty good technique on the volley imo. but hes not a natural volleyer at all. hes not at home at the net and he never will be.

    his % won at the net is good because he only shows up there when hes already won the point. he only approaches the net after hes pummeled his opponent way out of the court from the baseline and he either gets an easy put away or the ball doesnt come back anyway. like most players of this era you dont see him just surprisingly sneak in to the net to try and win the point there.
     
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    all four of them are baseliners but federer has the best technique and is the most instinctively aggressive in terms of moving forward among the top four, more so since paul annacone started working with him. maybe the reason why he has loses more points up at net is because he comes in more often. he'll take more risks going forward. it pays off on fast courts as his recent results have shown.

    i think murray has about the same prowess up at net as nadal but suffers from more mental lapses and bad judgment compared to the other four. this is not just with regards to coming to the net but in all aspects of the game. why else would he be slamless while all the others have multiple slams in their resumes?

    the reason why nadal is the most effective or has the highest winning percentage when up at net is because he is the most judicious of them all when it comes to moving forward. in a way, this is a bit impressive since his natural instincts are just to stay back and grind it out. for him to recognize correctly in a high percentage of situations when to come in for an easy put away speaks of his methodical nature.

    with regards to djokovic, he is the one who has the least need to come in to the net because of his immense strength from the back off both sides. in a way, he really doesn't need to learn volleying and it has shown a bit. but i think he has good hands and quick reactions so he doesn't look half bad up at net. but since it is not a part of his game that gets practiced a lot during match situations, it's nothing special either.
     
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    I disagree. He could save some wear and tear on his legs and lengthen his career if he would step in when there is the opportunity.

    Seen too many points where the opponent is way off the court and throws up a hail mary get me over moonball to restart the point. If djokjer comes to net there he will most likely get a wild passing shot that will go out of bounds or an easy put away.

    Djoker matches could be alot shorter agaisnt the top players if he were willing to come in when he should.
     
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    Very true, some of the more crucial points during both the US and Aus Open finals were won at the net by Djokovic. His ability to finish the point at the net was quite crucial in beating Nadal, more than many realise.
     
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    Didn't nadal win Doubles at IW last year or the year before? that should count for something towards his net game. I know the other 3 don't play as much doubles so it may not be a fair comparison(except for murray)
     
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    Who leads the ATP in successful volley%?
     
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    Net game in doubles is a bit different to singles.
     
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    Nadal has a better volley than Novak and Murray. It's pretty close between him and Federer to be honest. Fed seems to miss more, but he also comes to the net more. Fed was also successful at the serve and volley game, which is why I give him the edge.
     
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    The fellow rarely volleys, and does only when he is certain of winning the point with a volley.
     
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    The difference between Nadal and more aggressive players like Federer is that the latter will come in looking to hit maybe two or three volleys in order to get the job done. They realize that in order to win the point, they have to take the initiative and place the opponent in a disadvantageous situation at the net.

    Nadal, on the other hand, will only come to the net when he is almost absolutely sure he can end the point on the next shot. Usually, the next shot is a drop volley or a sitter for an easy put away. He's good at hitting to the open court, but I don't consider that aggressive volleying. I don't think he's as good as Federer, Murray, or even Tsonga and Fish at aggressive volleying.
     
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    tsonga is leagues above nadal. Hell, florian mayer beat nadal with a volleying clinic last year in shanghai.
     
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    He can pull off some great drop volleys when under pressure but doesn't punch his volleys well which gets him into trouble.
     
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    Feliciano lopez kicks in
     
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    hahahahahahaha

    no. AND IT AIN'T EVEN CLOSE.

    Have you ever seen Nadal hit a stab volley or anything but a drop volley / putaway into the open court? There's your answer.
     
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    I think it's true. Seriously, Rafa should start coming in more. He really is very good at volleying.
     
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    Nadal probably has the best drop volley among the top 4, and decent improvisation. The Edbergian crisp deep volley is best emulated by Federer, with the obvious large difference. In general, the volleying skills of the current top 4 are quite embarrassing compared with people like Edberg and McEnroe.

    But of course, it's also true that the ground game skills of Edberg and McEnroe are equally embarrassing compared with the current top 4.
     
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    That's true. But you can't compare such different eras, the big 3 would eat prime Edberg/McEnroe alive from the baseline.
     
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    what i mean is that since what he has is working so well, he doesn't need to come in. yes, he could be even more dangerous and spend less effort. but he must see the need to do it first. right now, with him being so dominant, he's just focusing on what is working and sticking to it.
     
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    Totally agree with this. Some of the haters on here are ridiculous. Nadal has hit some sublime volleys under pressure.
     
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    That claim makes no sense. If Nadal were such a great volleyer, why doesn't he come in more than 15 times in a 6 hour match?
     
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    It has nothing to do with how often you do it. How often does Federer come in for a volley? Oh ok then. Not that much more than Rafa.
     
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    Yes,

    Nadal never goes for tough volleys as Federer would go for.

    How often does the guy approach the net in the first place??

    McEnroe stupidly translate higher % won on volleys as better vollier. So if Nadal apporaches and wins 5 out of 5 he is a better vollier than Federer if he does 16 out of 20. How stupid.

    He is not even better than Tsonga, let alone Federer.
     
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    I normally see Federer pull of the tricky ones and flub the easy ones. With Nadal I see him flub the easy ones and only pull off the easy ones. Yes he has a rare amazing volley(Djoker IW 2011), but his skills as a volleyer are unbelievably overrated on this forum.
     
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    ^^Also the one against Murray in the Wimby tiebreak, was that 2010 or 11?
     
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    The same reason why he didn't stick to the 2010 US Open serving grip. Nadal spoke about this before the Australian Open. He said he doesn't like serving 130mph, because the ball comes back to him faster and gives him less time to hit his first groundstroke. It's all about comfort. Same with coming to the net. He is good at it, but he doesn't feel comfortable with it.
     
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    I have a feeling if he started to come in more he wouldn't seem so stellar.
     
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