Nadal to be back for the Australian Open

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  1. zagor

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    Eh, did you read the post I responded to? She mentioned Nameless specifically and my answer was to that part.
     
  2. zagor

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    I would agree except for grass, I think you're underrating his 2011 Wimbledon form, I'd take that year over 2007 despite his high level of play in 2007 Wimbledon final.

    This is only the 2nd Wimbledon in which Nadal wasn't pushed to five sets in early rounds and his serve was excellent throughout the tourney and especially in the final.
     
  3. Clarky21

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    Nadal's level was higher at Wimby in 2007 and in 2008. If Nadal had played the way he did in either the 2007 final or the 2008 final last year,he doesn't lose to Djesus,whose worst surface is grass. I think it is you who is vastly overrating Nadal's form in 2011,and by a huge margin.
     
  4. cc0509

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    I never said nadal was at his peak in 2005. Federer's was definitely between 2004-2007.

    And why are you criticizing TW posters so much and posting on here 24/7?
    If you hate it so much here because of the Fed fans why do you keep coming here? ;)
     
  5. beast of mallorca

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    Well, somebody like Nadalagassi has to rock the Fedturds tuchus. Or else this will be just another MTF or something............:twisted:
     
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    Yes thank you zagor. Here is my recent post of 11/05/12 on the subject:

    I don't know what NA is smoking to say I said Nadal's prime or peak was in 2005. I have said that since Nadal won his first slam in 2005 and he like all of the players was playing on all surfaces since turning pro including HC that Nadal fans who say Nadal was not fit to win a slam off clay because he was still a baby are nuts. Nadal demolished Federer in Miami on HC when he was just a young teen so how can Nadal fans then claim Nadal was not fit enough to beat Federer in a HC slam because he was too young. LOL, what a dumb comment.
     
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    Yeah it is NA's duty to set all of those Fed fans straight. He is the self-imposed Mayor of TW! :)
     
  8. Clarky21

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    MTF is the toilet of internet tennis forums. This place is a sanctuary compared to that hell pit.
     
  9. Crisstti

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    There’s no way Nadal was as good on hard courts in 2005 like he’d be later on, some good victories notwithstanding. He wasn’t a mug either.

    I think that is only in reference to his injury breaks and problems. For example, Rafa was definitely in his prime in 2009.

    No. The ones about Nadal’s prime on different surfaces. I could be misremembering though, maybe it was another poster.
     
  10. Crisstti

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    Nadal’s level was very high on 2011 Wimbledon overall. He did underperform in the final though.
     
  11. MichaelNadal

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    I don't know, I wasn't too overwhelmed with him personally.
     
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    Djokovic's worst surface is grass but he's still fantastic on it. Wimbledon semifinals in 2007, 2010, and 2012 proves that. He pushed Nadal to his limits in their 2008 Queens finals encounter. Djokovic is a far stronger player today than he was then.
     
  13. Mike Sams

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    Nadal hasn't played a great Wimbledon since the 2008 final, truth be told. His 2010 Wimbledon run was horrendous, he was just lucky everybody else sucked worse than he did. Berdych in a Wimbledon final! :lol: Barely scraping through Haase and Petschener! :lol: When you look at it in hindsight, Nadal losing to Rosol this year wasn't really that shocking. First week on grass, big hitting, big serving....that spells potential doom!
     
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    Agreed. Nadal played one good match at Wimby last year and that was the match against Delpo in the 4th round. Other than that he looked like a zombie and played like one too. Miserable is the best word to describe Nadal's demeanor at Wimby last year.
     
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    why not get into it slowly by starting after Aussie open ?
     
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    He looks so skinny in his recent Facebook photos. I'm afraid he's lost a lot of muscle during his time away from the courts.
     
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    I'd say Nadal prime is 2008-2011 and Federer's is 2004-2007. If you gotta add another year to both it's probably 2003 for Federer rather than 2008 in terms of playing level.

    How anyone can argue Fed was still in his prime in 2008 is beyond me. Just look at the numbers. 1 Slam (after 4 years of 2.75 a year), NO MS events, only 4 titles, Lost to BLAKE at the Olympics (never lost to him beforeor after), lost to KARLOVIC in Cincy (never lost to him before or after), lost to FISH in Indian Wells, to RODDICK in Miami, to SIMON TWICE. Played a really poor Roland Garros and before or after, he never lost a BO5 match to Nadal in STRAIGHT sets again. And in what kind of fashion. It's not Nadal's improvement ALONE that led to Fed performing worse. He lost before the final of a grandslam that year for the only time in 18 grandslams. Chanceless for that matter.

    The only thing one could argue is thta his prime was 2004-2009, but in that case you got to see his 2008 dip as caused by mono, which is strongly denied by those involved. It is obvious that Federer's dip in form was not CAUSED by Nadal's rise, even though he might have still had an awesome year if Nadal wasn't so good.
     
  18. Sabratha

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    The thing about Nadal is he progressed rather quickly. Becoming the best on clay at just 19, pushing Hewitt, Roddick and Safin at 17/18, beating Federer at 17/18, ect.

    By the time Nadal was 20, he was becoming a top player on grass, clay and hard courts. He was clearly the best on clay, and top ten/five on the other surfaces.

    By 2008, that changed as Nadal beat Federer on his favored surface at Wimbledon. Nadal gained the #1 ranking due to a switch up in his variety and dealing with every surface, not just clay. Nadal is a very adaptable and versatile player, he deserves to be known as one of the greatest of all time.
     
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    I agree, Nadal's 2011 Wimbledon form was great. He only lost in the final against Cvac due to the mental block he was suffering against him at the time, his form was much better than Djokovic's throughout the tournament and he's a much more natural grasscourter overall.
     
  20. edmondsm

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    One word: Points.

    He's got 1,200 ranking points on the line at the Aussie. If he just let all of those go he would definitely drop out of the top 4, possibly as low as 6-8. That means he won't be getting his own quarter of the draw when he comes back, thereby running into Novak, Andy, Roger, in the quarters or earlier. Things could tumble out of control pretty quick if he does come back rusty.

    Even if he just plays the Aussie and makes the 2nd week it will go a long way toward preserving his ranking.
     
  21. Dark Magician

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    But didnt Rafa say that he loves competition :twisted::twisted::twisted:
     
  22. edmondsm

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    If he wants to make things more difficult on himself then he won't find more support anywhere then with yours truly. I've never been a fan of the guy so if he wants to skip the Aussie and let his rankings drop then thumbs up from me. :twisted:
     
  23. kalyan4fedever

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    Its Mtf u shud not go there :D
     
  24. Sabratha

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    That's what she just said.
     
  25. Clarky21

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    Reading fail? I said MTF. :lol:
     
  26. NadalDramaQueen

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    I think he was trying to say that it was a tennis forum for men (and not just about men's tennis), so you shouldn't go there. It was a fail either way.
     
  27. Clarky21

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    Well if that's what he meant it was dumb.
     
  28. Crisstti

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    I thought he was great :) He was playing better than Novak for sure.

    It's the most matches of his I've seen in Wimbledon though, since they're always at a time one is at work/school and I hadn't noticed before last year you could see them online later on :)
     
  29. kalyan4fedever

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    Lol i guess todays is not my day :p , on topic hope we get best of rafa aka 2010 form, we need a fedal final getting sick of fed losing in quarters and semis. :evil:
     
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  30. Sabratha

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    Soon Nadal will just be losing in the quarters and semifinals.
     

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