Nadal to ever win a slam outside of the French Open?

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Nadal to win any slams outside the French Open?

  1. no, his only ever slam titles will be French Opens

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  2. he will win 1 slam title outside the French Open

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  3. he will win multiple slam titles(atleast 2)outside the French Open in his career

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  1. federerfanatic

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    Does anyone think Nadal will ever win a slam title outside of the French Open? I doubt it somewhat personally, but I think he might get lucky and sneak out 1 Australian when everyone of note gets upset.
     
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  2. wyutani

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    unless the other 3 slams are converted to clay....
     
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    The AOpen is his best shot, a slower surface...
     
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    You guys always seem to forget that Nadal is only 20 years old and continues to improve on grass and hard courts. Noboby thought Nadal would get to the Wimbledon finals last year but he did. In fact he came alot closer to actually winning it than people may think, he had a great chance to win the 2nd set but let it slip away from him against Federer, along with the title. I think Nadal will win at least one of each slam before it's all said and done, because he certainly has the talent to do so.
     
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  5. grizzly4life

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    surprised that huge majority think he won't (although i voted that way too).

    nadal's play is pretty hard on him, although he has proven resilient.... and tons of guys are as good as him non-clay.... one thing that might help rafa, i do think we may have seen the peak of roger federer though. although i think it will be a long, slow decline.....
     
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  6. Morrissey

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    I think you seem to forget that most votes come from Fedfans. :roll:
     
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  7. Attila the tennis Bum

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    Fed is 25 years old...how much more time do you think he has? Once he is gone Nadal will dominate.
     
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  8. caulcano

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    Yes, Nadal has improved on grass & HC, but so have others. If Nadal gets to a Wimbledon Final again, I'll be one of the first to post to congratulate him.


    Back to the original question:

    I'd say one but maybe 2 slams other than the FO with luck but it will have to happen in the next 2-3 years. There is evidence to suggest that clay-courters have less of a career, time-wise, than non clay-courters, so I don;t expect him to make a big impression on tennis when he gets nearer 25.
     
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  9. oscar_2424

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    he'll win in australia.
     
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  10. Attila the tennis Bum

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    Its no accident that Nadal made it to the finals of Wimbledon. The sport has intentionally been slowed down. Wimbledon is now using a thicker grass that is far slower than in years past.

    The AO used to have a similar type of slower grass. Thats why Mats Wilander was able to win the AO on grass. Therefore if Mats did it then I am confident Nadal can as well.
     
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    i think rafa will be able to win possibly a us open and an australian, not a wimbledon as logn as federer's around...a us open title was close in reach last year, but he was sick against youzhny
     
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    Dude.. nadal is not just some blow joe clay courter... i admit he will have less of a carreer time than say sampras or agassi, but he will be strong until 25, and he will improve every year. He has a good chance of winning many other slams than just the french.
     
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    i think he will improve his serve and play more aggressively in the next few years. He is much younger than federer and has all the time in the world right now.
     
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    Aussie and Wimbledon are his best chances.

    I don't know why some are so convinced he can win the US Open. This is currently the fastest hardcourt around. Much faster than the grass even.
     
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  15. Attila the tennis Bum

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    But thats not saying much. The new blue surface at the US Open is far slower than it has been in years past.

    Furthermore nadals record on hard courts against Fed are 2-2 and he completely destroyed Andy Roddick on hard courts as well.
     
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  16. crazylevity

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    yeah...and then he loses to Djokovic in the next tournament.

    People who accuse others of assuming Nadal won't improve are guilty of assuming others like Djokovic, Murray, Berdych and Gasquet won't improve. In that group 2 have beaten Nadal, and one came pretty close at this year's AO.
     
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    I think that he has a decent change at winning in Australia some day. Then, I also see him winning at Wimbledon before the US Open. But I don't think that he will win either of those.
     
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    Yes he's only 20, but he'll retire at least by the time he's 27, I would think, because of his style of play. It's too hard on the body for him to continue to play like that. He won't win multiple other slams, and he'll be lucky to win one.
     
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  19. Nadal_Freak

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    I would say Nadal's best chance of winning is Wimbledon. There are a lot of hard court specialists out there that make it tough on Nadal. I also think Nadal's spin is more effective than on the hard courts. Nadal actually did better at the US Open than he did the Australian Open imo. Maybe because he can slide a little at the US Open but you can't on rebound ace.
     
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    Wrong. If he wins Wimbledon with that extreme Western super-top-spin crap he does then Wimbledon needs to cut the grass shorter to make the court less slow, and the rest of the field should consider retiring out of embarassment.

    p.s. Wimbledon already needs to stop slowing down their courts. If we wanted it slowed down, we'd watch hard or clay courts. It's SUPPOSED to be fast.
     
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    It makes it even more impressive that Nadal got so many aces at Wimbledon on the supposed slower courts. The unpredictable bounce is what makes it so hard to play Nadal on grass. Not as much the height but the topspin that makes it more unpredictable. Australian Open courts actually played fast this year and the bounces were low. I believe the bounces were actually higher at the US Open.
     
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  22. kingdaddy41788

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    Right but the courts should play faster. They should play in such a way that super-top-spin crap gets obliterated because it never takes off the way it does on clay or hard courts. The ball shouldn't be able to grip the grass like that, it should just slide. So aside from aces, Nadal shouldn't win a point on his serve because his balls should just sit up, rather than taking off from the ground like they do on clay & hard courts.
     
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    I asked myself if Nadal can continue to be as dominate on clay for another 5 years. I concluded from past clay-courters, that it is more likely he won't. To improve every year for the next 5 years on all other surfaces takes a super-human effort & I highly doubt it will happen. Also, he'll probably end up as the GOAT on clay (in my eyes).

    I'm not trying to knock Nadal, because I believe he is the second most capable person of winning a different slam (we know who the most capable person).
     
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    There is no surface in which topspin is not effective. Sure if Nadal relies only on topspin on grass he could be in trouble. Nadal puts a lot of power on his shots now so they aren't exactly sitting up. The key to winning on grass is a big serve, good volleys, slices, and topspin. Also you need great reflexes. It is hard to take the ball early on grass as you will probably make many errors. These are the type of players that bother Nadal on hard courts hence why I think Nadal has a better chance at Wimbledon.
     
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    topspin isn't supposed to be effective on grass. It is now because they cut the grass that way.
     
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    Take out the bad bounces and yes topspin isn't that effective. Indoors is the worst surface for Nadal for that reason.
     
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  27. Heavy Metal Tennis Star

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    when federer retires, nadal will win all the grandslams, he will end up with like 12
     
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    People say contrasting styles, contrasting style.

    But Federer and Nadal are not so different from each other: baseliners.
    Now baseliners can win Wimbledon.

    In fact, baseliners can win on anything. Nadal will win Wimbledon and hard
    court events. You at pro levels, the surface speed can be a crucial factor.
    Wimbledon is very *slow* compared to past.
    There isno reason why Nadal can not win on grass and hard courts...
     
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  29. Attila the tennis Bum

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    But he beat Djokovic twice before that. Don't forget that Nadal is only 20...he is just getting started. Federer was no way near as good of a player as nadal is at 20.

    I know you hate the dude...but give him a break. he has done an awful lot by age 20.
     
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    If the US Open hardcourt slows down further Nadal will have a shot. But it's still way too fast for him in my opinion. He played terribly on it. Whereas on grass he's not perfect but seems to get a sufficient bounce.
     
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    He got a pretty smooth run to the final of Wimby. Didn't have to face a Roddick or a Hewitt. Was a point away from a straight sets loss to Robert Kendrick in the 2nd round. There are just to many people that can beat him on fast surfaces in best of 5 matches; Youzny, Berdych, Blake, Federer, Djokovic........his game needs to adapt.
     
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  32. Baghdatis72

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    I believe that he will manage to win other GS too and not only the French Open every year. Last year he was close to winning Wimbledon and I think that slowly he will improve on hard courts too and start winning more events on this surface.
     
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    Yeah, actually this has been told as the key difference of current grass court
    compared to past: top spin bounces much higher now.
     
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  34. DueSouth

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    I think he can win atleast two outside of the french.....maybe an AO and possibly a wimbledon,but im still waiting to see if last year was a fluke:)
     
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    They are different types of baseliners totally. Hence why Federer struggles on clay-although makes all the finals since field on clay is a joke, and is amazing on every other surface; while Nadal is a regular quarterfinal loser on every other surface, and dominates on clay. That is not similar at all.

    Show the proof? Sorry it isnt there.

    Winning Wimbledon when Tonya Harding wins Mrs. Universe perhaps. Winning hard courts events, he already does, just not the U.S Open(maybe an Australian if he gets lucky though).

    Sure there is. There are many others who will beat him on grass and hard courts who dont beat him on clay. Look at Berdych's 3 matches with Nadal on hard courts, and his 2 matches on clay and you will see what I mean.
     
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  36. federerfanatic

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    Fed also played like crap in the Wimbledon final and still comfortably beat Nadal playing his best. If Fed played that awful vs Nadal on clay he would have lost 6-2, 6-0, 6-1.
     
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    I agree. Sometimes when Fed is playing Nadal he looks incredibly unmotivated.
     
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    Same here, but in relation to the topic, I do not see Nadal ever winning anything else outside of the FO.
     
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  39. Attila the tennis Bum

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    Did ya ever notice that everytime Nadal plays against federer the fed fans always say :

    "Federer played like crap...he had so many unforced errors"

    The truth is that after 10 matches you can't keep using the same old excuse. Sooner or later you have to realize that nadal simply makes federer look bad.
     
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  40. KingOfTennis

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    i rekon he will win multiple slams. Just remember guys he is no.2 and is very capable of winning to any1 in the ATP
     
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    No, not Blake. Blake can't win a 5 setter not even if his life depended on it! :mrgreen:
     
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  42. federerfanatic

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    First of all moron I never said Federer played like crap everytime he played Nadal. I said he played like crap in that particular match. It was their only match on grass, and Federer happened to play probably his worst match in all 10 of his matches vs Nadal, and one of his worst of the year, and still won comfortably vs Nadal at his best. So Fed playing just a decent match would slaughter Nadal on grass no matter what Nadal did. If you were not too stupid to read where I said if Fed had played that bad in a match with Nadal on clay he would have lost 6-2, 6-0, 6-1 you would not have even posted your response anyway.

    3 or 4 of the 5 times Federer played Nadal on clay he played very well, Nadal is just the better player on that surface, the surface Federer is half the player he is on other surfaces. Because 5of their 10 matches are on clay, and only 1 of 10 on grass, it skews their head to head. Their head to head on neutral hard court surface is 2-2, and that meeting was their only one on grass.
     
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    I said "best of 5". Read again and you will realize that Blake beat Nadal at the USO in 05'.
     
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  44. Attila the tennis Bum

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    There is no need to be so rude ...especially when you are wrong.
    If you read carefully I never said that you said that fed played badly in every match. But I am not calling you a moron even though you deserve to be called a moron.

    Secondly if you read other posts you will see that in all of Feds losses to nadal there is always some Fed fan that says: "Fed was playing badly".

    The truth is that Nadal just makes fed look like he is having an off day in all 10 of their matches. Thats his style...he chases everything down until you make an error!

    Thats the truth ....deal with it.
     
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  45. Chip n' charge

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    You hit the nail right on the head.
     
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    Well done for applying some common sense to the thread, a lot the fools that voted no obviously failed to do this.

    Federer will probably at most be around until he is 32, another 7 years basically, by which time, Nadal will be 27 and right at his PRIME!

    I fancy Nadal to win Wimbledon and the Austrlian or US Open some day.
     
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    Let's not go over board, Nadal is by far a pusher. Or are you confusing him for Canas?
     
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  48. Morrissey

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    Don´t worry about him. He´s the Fedfan equivalent of Simon Cowell (Nadal fan). Sometimes I think he just says outrageous things to get attention. But sometimes I truly believe he´s mentally unstable.
     
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  49. Attila the tennis Bum

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    He is no pusher but he is fast as hell. Nadal is probably the tyPe of player Borg would be if Borg played today.

    -Both Borg & Nadal are fast as all hell.

    -Both hit with huge topspin.

    -Both were one of the greatest 20 year olds of all time.

    Although, Nadal has one dimension that Borg never had: Nadal is a lefty.
     
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  50. Defcon

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    I believe you misspelled the title of your poll - it should read 'Nadal fanboys, reveal yourself!" :)

    Its fun watching these threads, as the result, regardless of the actual content, is oh so predictable!
     
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