Nadal vs. Coria @ Roma 2005

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  1. tipsa...don'tlikehim!

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    I also agree that nadal was a better clay player 8 years ago now than he is today. His style was pretty much unbeatable. The problem though is that this translated to extremely poor results off of clay, like his losses at the US Open to people like Youzhny, Blake, Ferrer, etc. As well as his lack of success at the AO up until 09. I definitely think he lost some of his clay prowess, however he more than made up for it in his achievements once he changed his style. Also he could never keep up playing like that forever, he would have retired by now.
     
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    He was the energizer bunny back then.
     
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    His defence and sheer speed back then was absolutely insane. You really had to work for your winners.
     
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    Coria was a beast, just a much more talented version of Ferrer. Shame what happened to his career, he could have been a really great player.
     
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    Coria should have won the French Open in 2004 but he choked and that was tough to see. Coria with confidence could have been up there with Federer, Djokovic and Nadal well a bonerfied top 5 player.
     
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    Coria was amazing. the guy had touch, speed and aggressiveness.

    that choke at Roland Garros hurt him big time... also injuries.

    he was a character also, remember him against Hewitt at the Davis Cup? http://youtu.be/PFKjT5D3F5w?t=1m53s
     
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    haha argentina vs. hewitt, epic :lol:
     
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    Maybe he didn't choke in 2004, and really did cramp. That was a full year later and he looked pretty good against Nadal.

    This is why Gaudio's win against Nadal in 2005 was so impressive. Nadal was at his absolute best. He hasn't improved at all, the non clay courts have just gotten slower.


    Here he is beating Nadal. Look at how his 1 handed topspin backhand has too much spin for Nadal's forehand! (although Nadal won this point)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqzXtkyhO8E
     
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    NO! He could run down more balls then than now but otherwise Rafa of 2012 (still too early to talk about his 2013 form) was by far THE BEST anyone has ever played on any surface. Almost unbeatable. Especially, his offence has improved
     
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    0/6 6/0 6/1 wtf ? :confused:
     
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    Nadal's clay game is basically frustrating opponents with insane defense and that spinny fh. He can't do that anymore as he lacks the speed. No doubt, Nadal was a better player on clay before he started winning on HCs and grass.
     
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    That was the score when Gaudio beat Nadal in the 2005 Buenos Aires quarter finals.
     
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    Gaudio was completely insane. Scorelines like that weren't uncommon in his career at all!
     
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    yeah i remember he lost 0/6 0/6 to fed at the masters cup :lol:
     
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    You are watching that match on a wide-angle lens, so everyone looks like they're covering the court better (laterally at least) than they actually are.
     
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    Surprised this match isn't mentioned more often in "best match of all time" discussions. Close to 40mns of HLs, most of it absolutely outstanding points. Amazing intensity from both players from the beginning to the end, + plenty of drama with the 5th set tiebreak. One of those rare performances where both players appear superhuman, both mentally and physically!
     
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    Le wow, that's a bold statement, to say nadal dkdnt improve or change his game at all, but the courts got slower which helped his game.

    The vamos brigade will be gunning for you methinks
     
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    I hate videos like this. These overstretched highlight reels of old matches are one of the biggest reasons for inaccurate nostalgic recollections of players and their abilities in previous years. Neither the ball nor the players were moving as fast as this video makes it seem.

    That said, it was a good match.
     
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    I saw it replied on sky sports during a rain break 3-4 years ago. It's one of the greatest matches in history.
     
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    It's one of the best matches I've seen for sheer drama.
     
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    You are completely right, it was a great match maybe one of the best matches ever but the stretched video makes it look much faster than it was.
     
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    GG was incredible that yr - 55 wins; 5 titles.
     
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    Nice vid. Coria was a water bug.

    I don't think Nadal was a better claycourt player then, but his racquet-head speed was probably a bit faster than it is today. He may be a half-step slower now too, but I'm not at all sure about that. It's important to notice that this video is stretched sideways. It was originally a 4:3 video that's been stretched into 16:9 format. This makes the court look wider than it really is, and so the players appear faster when moving side to side than they really are.
     
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    The shot making in this match is just sick. I wonder who would win in a match between this version of Nadal and 2011 Joker? This Nadal is obviously fast enough to chase 2011 Joker's balls all day and he goes for winners too. Would be an epic.
     
  26. tipsa...don'tlikehim!

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    yes you are right the court looks a bit too wide...
    anyway i remember watching this match live 8 years ago and i was really impressed, i was cheering for coria, what a disappointing ending but what en epic match
     
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    18 year old legs vs 26 year old legs.
    18 year old legs will win all day long.

    Nadal was not a better clay courter in 2005, he just had younger legs.
     
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    actually i was not necessarily talking about his moving capacities, but also about the way he hits the ball, more agressive, more confident in his shots.
     

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