Nadal vs. Federer (Hamburg Final)

Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by Dangus, May 19, 2007.

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Who wins this match?

  1. Nadal in 2

    22.9%
  2. Nadal in 3

    16.3%
  3. Federer in 2

    10.5%
  4. Federer in 3

    50.3%
  1. skip1969

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    um . . . i'm quoting myself from page three of this thread, yesterday.

    nadal (and nadalfans) can't have it both ways. you can't want to win EVERY clay court event, monte carlo, rome, and hamburg in the same year (which NO ONE has ever done), rack up the wins and extend the streak, get all the praise and glory for being the "king of clay" . . . and then b*tch when you finally lose from exhaustion! it was silly to even PLAY hamburg when roland garros (the REAL prize) is right around the corner. as if nadal needs extra practice on clay. what is was was greedy. and davy and hewitt made it even worse for him.

    and now, fed gets the benefit of nadal's decision to play in germany, plus the tough matches nadal has had . . . and it's all used to diminish fed's win. hmm . . . interesting.
     
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  2. Andres

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    He's speaking to the crowd !!!!
    Monaco spoke in spanish when he won Buenos Aires. Same with Chela in Acapulco. Same with Nadal in Madrid in 2005.
     
  3. ACE of Hearts

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    Morrisey,i am enjoying it alot!Just like Nadal fans like to throw it on Fed's faces, not u.The other ones here.
     
  4. M J

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    To everyone who has suggested that Fed won just because Nadal was tired and was playing poorly, let me suggest that it takes more than that to beat him on clay. Especially 6-0 in the last set.
    Fed was playing well, and I think he figured something out. He kept shooting flat laser forehands to Nadal's forehand and he did not like it at all. Even if he did not hit a winner or force an error, Nadal kept coughing up short balls from his forehand side of the court. Combine that with few mistakes from Fed's backhand, coming to net often, and going after Nadal's serve, and that you get a game plan for Fed that will always give Nadal trouble, even when he is playing well. I think Fed/Nadal matches will be very different from now on.
     
  5. FedFan_2007

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    Morrissey - take a chill pill man. Your dude is still clay king.
     
  6. Baghdatis72

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    He said that if someone is ever going to beat him again on clay then that would be Federer and that he wishes him good luck for the RG.
     
  7. skip1969

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    cos fed speaks german. and nadal doesn't. and they're in hamburg . . . germany.
     
  8. Morrissey

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    You could be right. No one will mention the streak, he got that loss out of the way before the French Open and he will be rested now. Time to refresh, recharge and think revenge. He almost pulled off the impossible, winning all 3 clay Masters. If had to lose a match on clay it was better off being in Hamburg. The really important one is coming up and Nadal should still have confidence, but unfortunately he gave Fed some too. But we all know how good Nadal is getting revenge on clay. So I break a tiny smile today. It´s gonna be rough today. I might wanna stay clear of the threads. I don´t wanna get into arguments.
     
  9. Baghdatis72

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    And to all the people who are watching on TV and also not everyone in the crowd understands German.
     
  10. You know Nadal and Federer obviously have a ton of respect for each other. It would be nice if their fans could do the same. I think we have a REAL rivalry here now.
     
  11. Baghdatis72

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    I know where Hamburg is but it's a bit unfair for those who don't speak the language.
     
  12. ShooterMcMarco

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    must they play ricky martin?
     
  13. Morrissey

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    You of all people shouldn´t be talking about chilling out.
     
  14. Andres

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    They're not thinking about the people on TV. You're there, and you speak to the people you're looking at, to the people who watched you play.

    Racist? That's ridiculous.
     
  15. Can Nadal fully recuperate for the French in a week?
     
  16. FedFan_2007

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    Oh I forgot to mention, H2H is now 4-7. Also for all those claiming this win means nothing for the French Open, Federer figured out his form. He figured out what he has to do to win points against Nadal's serve. He figured out that high 1st serve % does wonders. All that will translate well.
     
  17. ACE of Hearts

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    Lets all hope for a Fed vs Nadal RG final.Thats the best matchup on clay that i see now.We need more Fed vs Nadal matches.I know Nadal will be in the final, its up Roger to get there.
     
  18. Andres

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    No, it's not unfair.
    And why not? Probably lots of people in the crowd doesn't speak English anyway, so they must think Nadal was a bit racist! :roll:

    I think Fed did just fine, talking in german and not english. I think it would have been MORE disrespectful if you're in Germany, you KNOW how to speak german, and STILL, speak spanish.

    If Haas would've won the tourney, would you expect him to speak to the crowd in english!!??
     
  19. FedFan_2007

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    One of the huge keys for Federer was his consistent low backhand returns of Nadal's serve, effectily setting up even rallies. Once he did that, and the shanks stopped happening, it was all over.
     
  20. You're kidding right? Nadal served and played the worst I have ever seen him. He was tired, and if you disagree it's nothing but denial. I agree Roger might have some more confidence but how often have you seen Nadal just stand there and watch balls five feet away go by? It was like watching Sampras in his later years. :p
     
  21. tennis_hand

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    streak? I don't think Nadal cares anything about the streak when he is playing. Even if he won, he still would be himself at RG. so I doubt the streak is any kind of pressure to him.
     
  22. tlm

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    Fed played good+ nafdal didnt, rafa is burned out.But he will be ready for the fo, i dont think fed will even get to the finals.He looked good today against a tired nadal, but he did not look good in this tourny.One of the many clay court players will take him out in the french.
     
  23. Baghdatis72

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    Okay I understand the logic now, no need to rant.
    I don't think that it's very hard to realize why someone who is interested in listening to the speech Federer is giving is a bit disappointed because he can't really understand what he's saying.
     
  24. Andres

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    Ohh, disappointed! That's totally fine!
    I'm disappointed too, my german is CRAP! But that doesn't make it racist, or unfair to the REST of the world.

    Luckily, the broadcasters know a bit of german, and somehow translated part of the speech. And probably, it's going to be on the Net translated in a matter of hours.
     
  25. All Courts

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    Being disappointed and calling Federer a racist for speaking German in Germany to a German crowd are two different things. You could've just said you were disappointed in the first place. I'm sure if Nadal could speak German he would've done so in his time to speak to the audience.
     
  26. ACE of Hearts

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    Hey tlm, plz.Roger will have some concerns, no doubt but Rafa could have concerns as well,What about his legs giving out.He has played 3 clay tournaments.Yes there is a week but still.
     
  27. Fedexeon

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    Yahoo, Federer really made it this time. His forehand is very very very good.
     
  28. Baghdatis72

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    I think they would understand that he doesn't speak German.

    True.

    From what I remember he doesn't speak English.
     
  29. Andres

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    It's amusing to see how much the "Federer in 3" choice is gaining more and more votes (12 more) after the match is done :mrgreen:
     
  30. Tempyst

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    Umm, Haas does speak english...
     
  31. ShooterMcMarco

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    Andres, I pick Federer in 3, oh wait.
     
  32. FedFan_2007

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    I was always on Roger's side. I kNEW he would win.... :) :)
     
  33. Baghdatis72

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    Okay it's not racist of course since he is in Germany speaking to a German crowd. End of story. Take a deep breath and relax.

    Okay now you can collect stones and start throwing at me but one at a time. And not too large as this has to be a slow steady process :lol:

    Racist was too extreme for this situation. Wrong word, a mistake and I have the balls to acknowledge it.
     
  34. Morrissey

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    This is what happens when you play 4 tournaments with only one week rest in between. Not to mention he played doubles too except Hamburg. Next year, skip Hamburg unless he loses early in Rome.
     
  35. tennissavy

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    Yes, I totally agree with you.

    I said it as it is in my earlier post about the reality check. Nadal totally gave this match away, gifted it to Federer.
     
  36. Baghdatis72

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    He would speak German though in front of a German crowd.
     
  37. Baghdatis72

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    I think Morissey is tired of this game :lol:
     
  38. All Courts

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    No worries, it happens and I've got no stones ;) Would've liked to have been able to understand what he was saying, myself!
     
  39. ACE of Hearts

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    The only dissapointing thing in this match for me is Roger's serve.What the heck happened to it?He cant get a first serve in to save his life!
     
  40. drakulie

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    Should Nadal switch to a larger frame???

    SHANKS
    Fed: 1 FH, 2BH= 3 total
    Nadal: 4 FH, 1 BH = 5 total

    WINNERS
    Fed: 15 FH, 2 BH= 17 total
    Nadal: 5 FH, 5BH= 10 total

    BAGELS
    Fed= zero
    Nadal= one
     
  41. Morrissey

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    You read my mind. I have another troll to add on my ignore list. Who knows? federerfanatic seems quiet of late, maybe he´s also Fed Fan 2007. He needs another name to really let loose the troll posts. He realized that we knew he was navratilovafan so he needed to come up with a better name. :roll:
     
  42. ShooterMcMarco

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    Yeah, he tends to flip flop just like federerfanatic.
     
  43. Voltron

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    Wow, good for Fed to pull it off like that. :D
     
  44. Baghdatis72

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    Nadal might have been tired today but I believe that what gave Federer the win was his new mental approach against Nadal. He was mean, aggressive and showed signs of psychological uprising at times, while also shouting "come on" on important point won. His backhand was solid and he served well in important games in the 2nd set which turned the match around. Also he didn't force himself to the net when it wasn't needed and played the way he felt would be better.

    With this kind of performance and sportsmanship he has a very good chance of winning the French Open this year.
     
  45. Morrissey

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    Lol. You noticed that too right?
     
  46. Baghdatis72

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    The list is growing :lol:
     
  47. Andres

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    3 more votes since I posted that before :mrgreen:
    15+ now :D

    We have psychics here!
     
  48. FedFan_2007

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    I was always on Roger's side. Always have been. Just check with the Ministry of Truth.
     
  49. ShooterMcMarco

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    Yeah, it was evident 800 posts ago ;)
     
  50. OrangeOne

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    This match will have massive mental implications for Federer in the short-term, no doubt at all. Whether it has lasting implications, well we'll have to wait a few weeks, hopefully for another final between the two.

    As for Nadal, well only he knows how truly tired he was, and therefore only he can know if this 'blip' will have any lasting impact, though in reality I suspect it will be similar to the above - it'll depend entirely on what happens in a few week's time.

    Here's hoping for a Federer-Nadal final in Paris....
     

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