Nadal vs. Sampras: Who's The Greater Player

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Who's Greater ?

  1. Sampras

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  2. Nadal

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  1. TMF

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    Nadal major highlights:
    * 14 grand slam titles
    * career slam
    * 3 years #1
    * 27 MS
    * 64 single titles



    Sampras major highlights:
    * 14 grand slams titles
    * 285 weeks at #1
    * 6 years #1
    * 64 single titles
    * 5 WTF
     
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  2. LazyNinja19

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    just my 2 gold cents..
    Nice attempt of pinning Sampras & Nadal fans against each other. Divide & Rule policy, no? :roll:
     
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  3. Phoenix1983

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    As of now, Pete.
     
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    Sampras now and Sampras forever. Nadals a great player but sorry Petes better.
     
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  5. forzamilan90

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    Sampras, but Nadal could go past him imo if he ties him slam wise. Primary reason why I rank Sampras over Nadal is longer time as The Man and dual dominance of surfaces.
     
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    RNadal, but by a very small margin.

    PSampras didn't have anyone of RFederer's caliber to deal with. Plus, he has won all 4 slams and has a record # of masters titles although PSampras does have a huge lead in time spent at #1 and YECs. Overall, a very small edge to RNadal.
     
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    About the same for me. Slight edge to Pete. If Rafa wins another slam, he'd go past Sampras.
     
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    Well.. that's actually to Rafa's advantage since he matches up with Federer really well.. and Fed made sure he took down the other half of the field.
     
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    Still Sampras IMO. It's not a big lead and Nadal can surpass him with 2 more slams + another year at #1.
     
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    True, but that adds to his credit (not detracts) ;)
     
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    You realize that Pete didn't care about the Olympics, right?
     
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    I'm in rough agreement with this. Preferably the 2 more slams includes at least one which is not at the FO, although I would concede that Nadal is greater with 15 slams in any combination (even if it does include 10 FO).
     
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    How do you feel about Nadal's advantage in the masters compared to Sampras having those 5 YEC?

    I think Sampras having double the time at #1 and double the years ending #1 needs a little more. If Nadal ends up with 15 slams but no more time spent at #1 I'd call them equal. If he does it dominating another year I'd put him ahead.
     
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  14. TMF

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    Please don't ruin this thread. Sampras is great, no doubt, but between him and Nadal there's many cases you can argue for either one of them. My initial post only highlighted the major achievements, however each have list of special achievements that the other one don't have.
     
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    Ya. But it doesn't matter now, that he cared or not. You could say the same thing about RG, that he didn't care enough for Clay.

    But it is a significantly impressive achievement by Nadal. The ATP has specifically given a term for winning all 4 slams & Olympic singles Gold, clubbing them together called "Career Golden Slam".

    It is a pretty huge deal!
     
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  16. TMF

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    Olympics and Davis Cup(team sport) are excluded. LazyNinja19 is biased...he holds that against any players...Borg, Laver, Pancho and company. LOL
     
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  17. NatF

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    You should rate players by the standards of their era. Imagine if in the future the WTF is rated as a super slam or something, Nadal's record there will be held against him.

    Bit of a crap example but you see my point...
     
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    Sampras' YEC record is more important than Nadal's advantage in Masters, IMHO. It's the 5th most important tournament (historically sometimes even considered higher than that), whereas Masters series were not compulsory in Sampras' day as they are now.

    Sampras' No 1 statistics are very impressive and certainly something he has over Nadal. Mind you, I cut Nadal a little slack as he was No 2 behind peak Federer for so long.
     
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    Then let's exclude Australian Open victories as well. Borg, Pancho and the company didn't care about it.
    TMF is biased. LOL
     
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    Agreed.

    Well I don't want to get into a comparison of their competition ;) I do agree that Nadal has been unlucky to have Federer to contend with and then peak Djokovic. But we can't invent hypotheticals, I already cut Nadal some slack by saying I would place ahead with 4 YE #1's and equal with 3. I rate the #1 ranking very highly.
     
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    I mean, I don't consider the gold to be that big a deal, if for no other reason that it's over-hyped by the media. It's only recently that people have thought of it as even close to YECs in terms of respect.
     
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    In many way there're polar opposites.

    s&v
    baseliner

    orthodox
    southpaw

    one-hander
    two-hander

    wimb domination
    RG domination
     
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  23. TMF

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    Then one can use Sampras 15 titles on carpet to Nadal zero.:)

    Seriously, events that wasn't available during their time should be excluded.
     
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    I disagree with that. Events are good means of measuring dominance, even if they don't exist. I think the Olympics are bad metric, because they cannot measure dominance well, being that they occur only once every four years. A player can have one or two really bad Olympics, and his lack of golds will be held against him. The same cannot be said of, say, slams, YECs, and Masters Series.
     
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    Sampras actually has triple surface dominance.

    Indoor, Grass, HC.
     
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    Stop trolling!

    Tennis was played in the Summer Olympics in 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012.
    Plenty of chances for Sampras. He didn't care for it, that's a different issue. He played only once in 1992.
    But Federer has cared enough to play 4 times! (going for the 5th), yet no win? :roll:

    But of course, you try to diminish Olympics importance because of Federer bias.
     
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    And you don't raise it because of Nadal bias?
     
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    Are you suggesting that everyone is biased? :)
     
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    Tell that to ATP & the worldwide experts & commentators, who call a particular achievement the "Career Golden Slam"!
    Hey, they club Slams & Olympics together. That should tell you something about it's importance.

    Now people will bring up that "Olympic winner is awarded only 750 points" issue. That is because the winner cannot defend those points next year, because there won't be any Olympics. It would be impractical to give it more points, when the winner would lose that bulk next year.
     
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    It's true, if Nadal fans are going to bring up his Olympics Gold (a title which mattered very little in Sampras' day) and tout it as some claim of dominance, then Sampras supporters have every right to bring up his great record on indoor carpet - an important surface in the 90s and one which doesn't exist today. Sampras won the Grand Slam Cup (an important title during the 90s) on that surface twice, and many other titles.
     
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    It would be interesting to throw Borg into this poll.

    It's a close call between Sampras, Nadal and Borg as to who is the 2nd greatest among pure Open Era players.
     
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    My point is Olympics tennis became special recently but not a big deal in the 90s. Do you know Agassi gold medal has no effect on Sampras being the greater player? Agassi can win multiple gold medals and that isn't going to change anything. Massu 2 gold medals means jack when compare to Wawrinka AO winner.

    This thread is about Nadal vs Sampras, it has nothing to do with Federer so try to stay on topic. Try to state your reasons why you would put Nadal(or Sampras ahead), that's all about.
     
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    Yeah true. We can't add Rafa ranking points because of the Federer factor. Because it won't end.

    So, do we add Fed 4 FO titles because of Nadal factor when comparing him with other greats?

    By raw numbers I think Pete has the edge. 286 weeks and 6 year end seals the deal for me.

    He has a missing FO, title, but his indoor dominance compared to Rafa compensates that.

    He was also dominating 2 GS surfaces, Rafa only one.

    Also, there is style. Sampras did it with half the effort. He made it look easy.
     
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    Can't really say who is better. It's kind of like comparing apples to oranges. IMO, Nadal will pass 14 GS for sure, does it make him a better player? Hell NO! Much of sports is determined by the audience participation. Sampras has a exciting style of play. While doggit Nadal may be, loopy helicopter shots are terrible to watch and boring. So from the perspective of a paying customer I'd say Sampras.
     
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    Nadal. The only two I would have over Nadal right now are Laver and Federer, and that could change. There are atleast a couple others I would have below Nadal and above Sampras too.
     
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    Pete never reaching the FO final, let alone win it is a big hole in his impressive resume though.
     
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    Well, Rafa has some big holes compared to Pete also.

    286 weeks and 6 year end nr.1.
    And Pete dominated indoor, so like Pete has problems on clay, Rafa has problems indoor.

    It's tough to compare them, because they have such unique achievements and their eras are like comparing apples and strawberries.

    Also their styles are polar opposite also.
     
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    Agree, someone with complete incompetence on a major surface cant be better than someone who was excellent on each major surface, and who was more dominant and greater on his best surface than Sampras was on any. Plus someone who was a more consistent year round performer. The Nadal of 2008-2013 would probably have been year end #1 ahead of Sampras every year except maybe 2009, even years Sampras won 2 majors to 1 for Nadal. Even in hard court Masters, outside the post U.S Open ones, Nadal generally performs better and more consistently.
     
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    Sampras won in an era with different major winners, while Nadal only had to contend with Federer and Novak.
     
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    Sampras due to more major titles and greater level of dominance over the field.
     
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    Nadal had to contend with Federer and Federer had to contend with Nadal. The difference is Nadal is 23:10.
     
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    There were different major winners since nobody except Sampras was consistently playing top level tennis the way Nadal, Djokovic, Federer, and even Murray all do today. Even Sampras was nothing at Roland Garros, and often didnt play or went out early at the Australian, leaving it wide open for the others. Players like Kafelnikov, Rafter, Moya, Korda, Chang, would never win slams today. Maybe someone like Ivanisevic could win a Wimbledon, and someone like Kuerten could definitely win a French or two but that is it.
     
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    Being one of the best on 2 out of 3 surface > being one of the best in 1 out of 3 surface.
     
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    Yeah, but today it's like we only have one surface and one style. Everybody plays the same style and the same surface. Serena said that HC plays like clay.

    This should be noted when comparing Sampras vs Nadal. That's why comparing them is very hard.

    I mean, maybe Nadal would be less consistent if he had to face carpet and fast grass and s&v players, all-courters and baseliners. Also serve machines.

    I mean he has troubles transitioning from grass to clay even today with homogenization. And even to indoor. Even the clay color can throw his game off.
     
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    Nadal has won multiple slams on 3 surfaces. Sampras only has won slams on 2 surfaces.
     
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    The concept of Master Series tournaments was completely different when Sampras played compared to when Nadal played, so there is no sense using that to decide who is greater.

    However, the year end championships were and still are the greatest achievement outside of the majors (and possibly the Olympics during Nadal's career) during both player's careers. As such, a comparison of the number of year end championships both won is meaningful and Sampras comes out way ahead there.
     
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    Nadal would struggle more in 90s conditions, but Sampras would struggle far more in todays conditions, including on his beloved grass and indoors where he used to dominate. So it works both ways. The 90s field doesnt impress me much. It seems like an inconsistent group of players who couldnt play well across all surfaces, even considering the more diverse conditions then. Conditions were just as diverse in the 60s, 70s, and 80s and there were far more consitent top players with more all surface skills than the 90s group.
     
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    I don't think Borg compares very favorably to Nadal. They had very similar careers, but Nadal was superior in just about every aspect (except for success at Wimbledon).
     
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    Winning %: Borg
    Channel slams: Borg
    AO: Well, Borg didn't care about it, so...
    Impact on the modern game: Borg

    It's not so clear that Rafa beats Borg.
     
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