Nadal vs. Sampras: Who's The Greater Player

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Who's Greater ?

  1. Sampras

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  2. Nadal

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  1. jg153040

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    Yeah, but Nadal is 2nd on grass and third on HC in his era. Indoor he is not even top five.

    While Sampras was nr.1 on HC, grass, indoor in his era.
     
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  2. wrapitup

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    I would rank them as Nadal > Borg > Sampras. Although I rate Nadal above Borg, interestingly I think Sampras has an even worse case to be over Borg than he would have to be over Nadal (which I could atleast see argued even if I disagree).
     
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    There is no such surface as indoor. Sampras era did have carpet, but today does not have carpet. Meanwhile if Becker is part of the Sampras era I would rate Becker over Sampras at #1 on carpet, even if by the time Sampras was in his prime he was a bit better than past his prime Becker on carpet while they played.
     
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    One could also argue Agassi above Sampras on hard courts. Sampras won only 1 more major- 7 to 6. Agassi generally was a stronger contender at the U.S Open than Sampras at the Australian. Agassi made 5 U.S Open finals, denied 3 additional titles by Sampras. Sampras made only 3 Australian Open titles, with 2 titles just like Agassi at the U.S Open. Agassi also made many more good runs at the U.S Open than Sampras ever did at the Australian. I think Agassi is well ahead in hard court Masters. Agassi at the Australian Open arguably had more sheer dominance, winning 3 in a row he played, which Sampras never did at the U.S Open.

    So on hard courts it is very close between Sampras and Agassi. Agassi is probably more complete and better overall, but Sampras U.S Open stats might still put him ahead despite that.
     
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  5. Manus Domini

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    Why are your rankings as they are?
     
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  6. Forehand Of Doom

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    Nadal has been the best clay player since 2005. He has been the best grass player in 2008 and 2010, and the best hardcourt player in 2010 (arguably) and 2013.

    Perhaps the fact Nadal can't claim further superiority on all surfaces is stronger competition.
     
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    Yet 4 majors, 6 WTF and about 200 weeks short.
     
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    Nadal better on clay .....Pete sucks on clay.
     
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  9. tennisaddict

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    Nadal > Sampras on Clay

    Sampras > Nadal everywhere else.

    So, Sampras for sure.
     
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    Are you saying Fed's era has stronger competition than Sampras era?
     
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    1. Laver
    2. Federer
    ----large gap----

    3. Nadal
    4. Borg
    5. Gonzales (put him over Sampras since he was a bit better on clay, otherwise almost identical careers)
    6. Sampras
    7. Tilden
    8. Rosewall
    9. Budge (only due to Grand Slam, would barely be top 20 otherwise)
    10. Connors or Lendl
     
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    Federer was the better hardcourt player in 2010, it was a significant gap IMO. Both won a hardcourt slam but Federer won the WTF and went further in the other slam. He also won a masters on hard where as Nadal didn't even reach a final in the hardcourt masters. Federer also had the superior win percentage on hards that year.

    So yeah, Federer is ahead by every metric.
     
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  13. jg153040

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    Yeah, good point. How can Nadal be superior, when Sampras has better achievements on any surface except clay?

    And in an era, where it was harder to transition from one surface to another. Also chances for an upset were much higher, because so many different styles.
     
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    2010 grass faced Berdych and 2010 hard faced nobody but a drained out Novak at USO. Not credible. Fed was the better hard court player anyways in 2010.
     
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    They're neck-and-neck in terms of titles but I'd give the nod to Pete as he was #1 for six years which is no small feat even if he did not have Roger Federer to deal with during his era. Given that Rafa is still 27, I think he will surpass Pete by the time he's done.
     
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    Yeah, and if FOD likes details, Rafa wasn't the best clay court player since 2005, cuz in 2009 Fed was the best clay court player :).
     
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    Yeah, Roger Federer effect can't be used. Maybe if Pete had someone better, he would be pushed to improve more and still be nr.1. Butterfly effect.
     
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    Aside from the risible nature of your rankings, you still don't answer my question: why do you rank those players as you do?
     
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    I don't rate Laver so high. Because he was banned for 5 years in his prime, so he was well rested to dominate the other years. Not enough mileage. He was fresh all the time. Also he was fresh because the grind in the tour was minimal compared to today.

    Laver and Fed have equal skills. But Fed also has fitness levels in addition. And he had to dominate tired from the grinding of the tour.

    Much tougher for Fed.
     
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  20. Manus Domini

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    Err, what years was he banned from playing tennis? :shock:
     
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  21. Phoenix1983

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    Really close results in the poll at present. :twisted:
     
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  22. The-Champ

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    Sampras played in the Olympics in '92 on clay. He didn't make the quarters..
     
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    But how come Ferrer who is the same age as Fed did better in this stronger era?

    But in Fed's "weaker" era he was even worse. Shouldn't Ferrer dominate pre 2008 even easier if it was weaker and he was in his prime years?

    How come Ferrer didn't win a single match vs Fed in both eras, yet he beat those "stronger" guys Rafa, Murray, Nole more than 15 times including at GS?

    I would love to hear your explanation for this.
     
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  25. Manus Domini

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    Maybe Ferrer is a late bloomer?
     
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    You funny.
     
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  27. Manus Domini

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    No, tell me. What years was Laver banned from playing tennis?
     
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    But if that's the case, he should still be able to beat Fed (weak era champ) even more than those "strong era" champs.

    Or maybe, just my theory, that Fed's 17 are legit and he declined but even with his decline he is still competitive with new generation. But he was so far above the rest during 2003-2007 that even with decline he still has reserves to compete with new guys, who appear stronger only relative to Fed due to his decline.

    I think one guy declining is far more likely than entire era improving, don't you think?

    Especially since we have historical evidence that every past great declined.
     
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    I didn't say he was banned from playing tennis. Just banned. You assumed the rest.
     
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    Pete Sampras.
     
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    Sete Pampras.
    Foger Rederer.
    Nafael Radal
    Lod Raver
     
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    I would say Sampras, as for now.
    But, if Nadal wins two more Majors, I would put him above Sampras.

    Yes, Sampras has more weeks on top, finished three times more as the year No. 1 and won WTF five times, so there he has advantage over Nadal.

    On the other hand, Nadal has won every major, reaching the final of each at least three times (which is insane statistics), has won 26 Masters titles and set some crazy all time records on clay.

    And, let's face it, today's players (and those in the Sampras era) puts the Slams as their primal goal. Even Murray said last year that he would rather win more Slams than reaching No. 1. If Rafa wins more Slams, he is better than Sampras, in my book.
     
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    While I think Rafa is amazing, I'm not impressed with guys today winning on all surfaces, when there is basically only one surface and one style.

    I think Pete dominating three very different surfaces against variety of styles is more impressive.

    Also, Pete is better than Nadal everywhere, except clay.
     
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  34. Steve0904

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    It's Sampras for now IMO.
     
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    You pretend to be a Fed fan, but your numbers in your username add up to 13.

    The exact number of Rafa's major count.

    You are exposed now.
     
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  36. Martin J

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    I don't agree with the bold part. If that's true, Nadal would have probably won all his Wimbledon finals against Federer (since he was beating him regularly on clay in best of five), Djokovic would have had much better record against Nadal on clay, since he has his numbers on hard, Murray would have won more than zero clay titles, Davydenko would reach at least QF at Wimbledon, Nadal would have won WTF multiple times.

    It's not one surfaces and, in my opinion, it's a myth with a purpose to take away from today's era players, especially Nadal, but also Federer, Djokovic, Murray etc...
     
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  37. Manus Domini

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    Well, the only thing I can think of is banned from tennis. What was he banned from, then?
     
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  38. Manus Domini

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    You're just trolling at this point, aren't you?
     
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    I know this isn't the question but if they played I know Pete would batter him on grass hards and carpet.
     
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    I am not even going to mention how Sampras has it over Nadal in 3 of the 4 slams, or how Sampras won 6 YE no 1s and 5 WTFs, but what I will mention is how Sampras would bend Nadal over and impregnate the Spaniard if these two met at their peaks.

    The greatest attack will always beat the greatest defence. Sampras would charge at Nadal, Nadal may get some back but if Sampras is seeing red, I'm sorry but there is little that Nadal could do. The sheer artificial slooowww speed of RG would definately give Nadal the edge at RG, but every where else if the ball was to come off Sampras' racquet as it naturally should, Nadal would get b.u.t.t.s.l.a.m.m.e.d. I tried to think of the best adjective to describe what Sampras would do to Nadal if natural speeds were being deployed and b.u.t.t.s.l.a.m.m.e.d is the most appropriate. We all saw the raping Wawrinka gave Nadal when Wawrinka came to the net during the first set of the AO final, and let's just say that Nadal was like a baby having candy taken off him...limitless, helpless, clueless, he didn't have any answers, none, to Wawrinka's net play. Could you imagine what the serve volley GOAT would do to him? Nadal would need KY jelly before each match against Sampras to limit the pain.

    Haven't read anyone else's response but I can imagine it's the same ***** about how Nadal would pass Sampras continuously. Any clown who thinks that has seen Nadal play too many SV duds, even Federer I put in that category. I've said it before and I'll always say it, Sampras would be one big massive WHAT THE F.U.C.K. for Nadal.

    And if you disagree, then you're just a plain and simple tennis ******.
     
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    Relax folks, ...
    Not every surface surface results in a great attack overcoming a great defence and Nadal's attack on clay is also often brutal. Nadal would have more than just an edge at Roland Garros, he'd probably win every match. Sampras just wasn't up to scratch on clay to beat the likes of Nadal any more than 1 or 2 times and probably never at RG.
     
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    What's with your anal fixation?

    Anyway, pleasantly surprised with the poll results.
     
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    Strangely enough, (or maybe not so strangely) so do yours.

    1 + 5 + 3 + 0 + 4+ 0 = wait for it.....13.

    And for the record 0904 is my birthday. September 4th.

    Now stop trolling. I know you're joking and I'm not taking offence, but honestly, sometimes you try way too hard.
     
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  45. TMF

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    I expected Nadal gets more votes but that's not the case.
     
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    great post! someone else sees tennis like me.
     
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    this video is all that's needed
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVKWNpdd7jk

    under those conditions (surface, racquet and string tech)(even playing field) Pistol would absolutely destroy Nadal's angus on a scale heretofore unseen in the world of sports.
     
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    IMO you can only measure by considering accomplishments against the field. Trying to predict how they would fare in each others' eras or head to head is futile.

    So with that said, I think Nadal needs two more majors to overtake Pete. I would give the most weight to # of majors. If they are tied at 14 then Pete stays ahead due to time spent at #1.

    But most likely this is an irrelevant discussion since I think Rafa gets to 15 (or more).
     
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    I'll go with Nadal, never seen such a physically imposing player even Borg was not as physical. I think Nadal would have done OK in the 80's with Borg and Vilas. Sampas never had a Federer or Djokovic to compete with his artificial completion was Agassi and Djokovic and Nadal are miles ahead of Agassi. Agassi never got it together mentally and physically. Sampras also did not play a full season relying on his Wimbledon and USO wins to secure 1st place, Nadal would crucify this concept being competitive at all GS and masters. He's a baby Borg and Borg retired with the greatest GS win/lose record.
     
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  50. TMF

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    I agree. Greater and/or better player can only be base on career achievements. Assuming who would beat who is subjective, and most often, reeks of biased.

    I'm surprise that Sampras is way ahead in the poll.
     
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