Nadal vs Some Hyphenated Armada Bub

Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by stringertom, Feb 8, 2013.

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How many games does DG-T get?

Poll closed Feb 9, 2013.
  1. 0-5

    47.8%
  2. 6-10

    34.8%
  3. 11-15

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    0.0%
  4. 16 or more, plus a "miracle" upset!

    17.4%
  1. namelessone

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    I think that I can draw a sort of partial conclusion after the first 2 matches in Rafa's return.

    The good:

    -Forehand is still in decent form.

    -The serve is passable.

    -it appears he actually stays in the time limit nowadays.

    The bad:

    -movement is pretty bad, especially off his left side. I find it funny that Nadal had "no injury" but he is letting many balls go and not exactly being his usual energizer bunny self, running down most balls. His lateral movement seems to have gone down quite a few notches. I don't know if Rafa is still guarding his leg but the slowdown is noticeable.

    -the BH - still a declined shot.

    -the return - Jesus.

    -the fact that he is still afraid to come in even when his opponent is a couple of feet off the court and can give up a telephoned CC shot in 90% of cases. Even today there were many instances where Gimeno-Traver was pulled off court but Rafa would just stay there.

    From what I've seen, Rafa is still trying to find his game but if he doesn't start moving left-right like his old self then he will have some major issues, especially against guys that can hit big. You can deal with weak returns when you've got the legs to chase most balls. You can't afford both bum returns and slow movement.
     
  2. Goosehead

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  3. PseudoFed

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    No, I haven't done any such askings. You're welcome.
     
  4. marc45

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    ouch, wrong again....or right, whatever floats your boat
     
  5. Clarky21

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    Garbage match from Nadal. He's going nowhere fast playing the way he is.
     
  6. Mustard

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    Another win, but still a long way to go. The big questions that so many people want answered about Nadal's game won't be answered for some time yet.
     
  7. veroniquem

    veroniquem Bionic Poster

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    The forehand was sizzling, the serve way better than passable, the movement was excellent too. He just doesn't run mindlessly on some balls he knows he won't get anyway. That's experience and/or playing the score. Nothing to do with bad movement. There's a bit of rust in terms of reflexes and maintaining intensity but nothing major and nothing that would affect the score in the end.
     
  8. Towser83

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    yes, after TWO matches in a 250 he's still unbeaten!
     
  9. MichaelNadal

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    Man, where do I buy those rose-tinted bifocals?
     
  10. marc45

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    where exactly are you going, have you thought of that?
     
  11. marc45

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    chardy tomorrow...never played..chardy is really playing well, i didn't realize his best record is on clay

    should be interesting...could certainly trouble rafa, but then again he's never played rafa either
     
  12. Rocky89

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    He is going to struggle big time against Chardy tomorrow, I think it's going to take him a few tournaments to sort out the kinks in his game, especially his movement.
     
  13. Goosehead

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    he will be vamos-ing his way through clay until june probably.
     
  14. papertank

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    I think he's actually moving very well. He's not running down things left and right, but when he does his movement hasn't failed. In terms of footwork and speed he still seems to be great. I also think his backhand has been great these past couple matches, we'll see how that turns out as he goes on.
     
  15. Clarky21

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    I think he will lose to Chardy tomorrow. Losing this lousy 250 event will take a huge chunk out of Nadal's confidence, not to mention his aura on clay.
     
  16. papertank

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    If he hits the way he did today (lots of short balls in the service line area) Chardy is going to hit him off the court. He needs to get his shots deeper.
     
  17. stringertom

    stringertom G.O.A.T.

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    I forgot to account for the "Armada clause" when estimating the hyphenator's game count. These guys must get a hefty "tanks"-giving bonus every year from the Tio.
     
  18. sillymonkey

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    Geez, rough crowd.
    It's his 1st tournament, give him a chance to find his rhythm and game for Pete's sake.
     
  19. marc45

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    rafa eating on way to first game from sitting down after warm-up...never seen that before..still chewing as monaco gets ready to serve
     
  20. Rocky89

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    He was still eating after the point. No damns are given.
     
  21. veroniquem

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    4 matches!! You forgot the doubles :)
     
  22. veroniquem

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    You're the one who needs to get rid of those dark shades... They're obscuring your vision.
     
  23. wintintu

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    I genuinely think Chardy will give Nadal trouble tomorrow. Not sure if he will beat him or not but he is playing excellent tennis and don't forget he recently knocked Del Potro out of the AO to cement his reputation as something of a giant killer. He won't fear Rafa in what will be their first encounter. I think Rafa will know that too. Chardy has plenty of belief and he will hit through Nadal unless Rafa improves vastly from his QF v DGT. Wont' be suprised one bit if Chardy wins tomorrow in what is the real final. Blog updated at below site for SF matches in Vina del Mar, Zagreb, and Montpellier if you would like to have a read :)
     
  24. hersito

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    Good first game average to bad (for rafa) second set, Chardy is going to be the real benchmark, I'm don't think he is going to win if he plays like in the first match and like the second set. He plays doubles to today, didn't see how it went.
     
  25. Clarky21

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    MN is being realistic. You're being delusional and unrealistic as usual.
     
  26. MichaelNadal

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    Lol, considering you're about the only one on here that thinks Rafa hasn't missed a step since his absence, you're more likely to need a refund on your eyewear than me.
     
  27. Clarky21

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    She spends far too much time on VB. Nadal is playing fabulously well according to the people there.
     
  28. Rocky89

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    I wouldn't be surprised either if Chardy wins tomorrow, Rafa has a long way to go to truly improve his rusty game and movement.

    I don't think it would be a big deal though, I'm not expecting him to win his first tournament back.
     
  29. veroniquem

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    I never said he hasn't missed a step but still, he's playing well. I give credit where credit is due.
    And lol at the Chardy hype, people. Talk about wishful thinking!
     
  30. veroniquem

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    It's still going. Rafa/Pico won the first set.
     
  31. Clarky21

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    Chardy is playing light years better than Nadal is right now. If Nadal comes out moving like his feet are stuck in cement, and drops the ball short like he has been, he's going to get blown away.
     
  32. veroniquem

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    5 matches now. He just made the doubles final. Served really well too. Another straight set victory. Niiice :)
     
  33. merwy

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    Nadal is a much better player than Chardy. It will be a small miracle if Chardy beats him on clay. Wouldn't be surprised if it's 6-2 6-2 or something.
     
  34. Clarky21

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    He's a better player when he's in form which he isn't right now.
     
  35. ruerooo

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    Chardy's a notorious spoiler.

    Rafa had some beautiful shots today but I hope he has his stamina tomorrow.
     
  36. marc45

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    nadal and monaco won in straights, routine
     
  37. marc45

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    you're never not in form, which is sad
     
  38. Smasher08

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    True -- just as Nadal can make any player look amazing. :p

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  39. rafan

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    Don't take any notice Veroniquem. Rafa is progressing really well. Furthermore he is playing players he has never played before which isn't easy for any player. These players are darn good and should never be underestimated. Djoko once said that he could be beaten by any of the top hundred on any given day because the standard is so good
     
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    Oh look everyone, Clarky21 :mad: is completely wrong again. :p
     
  41. veroniquem

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    Anything can happen in tennis of course but Chardy beating Rafa on clay?? Rafa is playing very well despite the trolling in this thread. The odds say: emphatic no. I agree that it is difficult to play a player for the 1st time but it will be WAY more difficult for Chardy to get used to Rafa's monstruous clay spin than for Rafa to adjust to anything Chardy has to offer. Just stating the obvious. And oh, yeah, even after 7 months off, Rafa is a better player than Chardy by a landslide. Anybody who equates Nadal on clay to Delpo at AO cannot be serious and I won't take them seriously, accordingly.
     
  42. tacou

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    the reason Chardy might give him trouble is, unlike the first two opponents, Chardy can be fearless with good reason. Those guys saw this as a chance to beat Rafa and they attacked in the beginning but could not sustain.

    Chardy just had his best every grand slam result, so he has some legit confidence Rafa's first two opponents did not. however that just as well might backfire, Chardy might let the confidence turn to nerves, and suffer a loss worse than anything we've seen before
     
  43. Clarky21

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    No he isn't.

    Not true. Lots of players start out badly against Nadal and then adjust quickly to the spin on his shots. You are also not taking into consideration that Nadal's shots have consistently been landing well inside the service boxes. Hitting short is going to get him blown off the court.

    No he isn't. Chardy is a better player than Nadal is right now. It's pretty humorous to argue otherwise.
     
  44. President

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    LOL Clarky why the hell are you so negative all the time? Just tell me what excuse you will make in advance when you are proven wrong yet again. Nadal is going to blow Chardy off the court, any other result would be stunning for any reasonable observer.

    For a Nadal fan, you have absolutely no faith in him. He is one of the greatest players of all time, not sure if you realize this?
     
  45. Antonio Puente

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    Don't worry, they know what is coming. Get the criticisms in while you can.

    Is Clarky Australian? I don't have a good sense of Australian humor.
     
  46. Clarky21

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    We'll just have to wait and see but I doubt it.

    I guess I don't. He never makes things easy as fan of him that's for sure.

    I realize he's good but I'd stop short of calling him a great.
     
  47. Steve0904

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    I liked this one a lot. :) Keep trolling. I'm loving it.
     
  48. Clarky21

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    I'm not trolling but I am glad you love my posts. :)
     
  49. MichaelNadal

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    Your second statement is extremely true.
     
  50. cucio

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    Just a cultural note.

    Hyphenated surnames in Spain are actually quite rare. Hyphens are added by Americans so they can fit both surnames (the father's and the mother's) in the "Last Name" field of their chauvinistic databases.

    See, e.g., Gimeno's wikipedia entry in Spanish:

    http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Gimeno
     

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