Nadal vs Some Left-Handed Bub

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Who will win?

  1. Nadal in straights

    16 vote(s)
    22.5%
  2. Ralph in three

    3 vote(s)
    4.2%
  3. Zeballos in three

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    18.3%
  4. Zebby in two

    3 vote(s)
    4.2%
  5. Roger Federer

    36 vote(s)
    50.7%
  1. rufus_smith

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    That was one helluva, freakin' tennis match...
     
  2. Fiji

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    Didn't he lose like 10 finals the last time it was an odd year(2011)? :)
     
  3. hersito

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    So I want to see everyone that was bashing me for saying that a good clay player would beat monday nadal or any top 20 or up would probably double beagle him. Nadal played better but it was more his opponents choking than him doing really good. I thought it was going to be berloq, chardy or another clay player but it was zeballos. It's a good thing so the fans of top players would be more humble when talking about other players and not say they are "bubs", a little more objectivity too would be appreciated in this forums.
     
  4. rufus_smith

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    From AP report by Stephen Wade:

    Zeballos matched Nadal shot for shot with no service breaks until the third set, dropping to his back on the red clay surface after winning.

    ''This is the game of my life,'' Zeballos said. ''Playing against the best player of all-time, or one of the best in the history of tennis. It's a dream, unforgettable. I will never forget this moment.''
     
  5. Towser83

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    That's why he won, he thought he was playing Federer! :lol:

    Sorry, couldn't resist.
     
  6. Clarky21

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    Soon to be Djesus.
     
  7. Towser83

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    Nah. And i mean are you talking statistically? Because surely if he won 20 slams you still wouldn't believe he was really the best player, just the best winner.And there is no GOAT... wtf, why am I having a GOAT debate over a joke I made? :lol:
     
  8. kalyan4fedever

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    What the hell and how in the world rafa lost, watched first set and went to sleep thinking he might pull it easily in 2nd, congrats zebby, just realised he is the third player besides roger fed and djoker to beat rafa in clay court, quite an accomplishment
     
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  9. veroniquem

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    I'm gonna assume you mean in a final. Otherwise there are more than those 3.
     
  10. veroniquem

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    Lol, good one Towser.
     
  11. kalyan4fedever

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    yes in finals to deny him the trophy.
     
  12. tudwell

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    I'm always excited to see Nadal lose, but damn is Clarky going to be insufferable now.
     
  13. Clarky21

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    I'm not happy Nadal lost or that his career is over(he is my favorite player), but I will rub it in a bit when people dismiss me as some looney who knows nothing about tennis just because I say Nadal is a mug and will lose. The writing was on the wall from the first match that he was not going to win this tournament. Only tards, people who can't see the forest for the trees, and people stuck in 2008 believed otherwise.
     
  14. OddJack

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    Clarky is a student in the school of namelessness.

    namelessness down played Nadal's chances winning any tournament since 2011. It happenes when you love someone too much, you tell everyone that they gonna lose. If they win thats great, if they lose they already knew.
     
  15. firepanda

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    Wow this thread has exploded. This result surprised me, because Nadal was beginning to gain some momentum and win with ease. Zeballos played well for the entire tournament. I wasn't expecting Rafa to win, but it's still disappointing to see him lose what could have been a fairy tale comeback.
     
  16. spperry

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    Disappointed to see him lose on his return but hardly the end of the world.

    He looked very rusty, a lot of shots landing inside the service box.

    Credit to Zeballos, I thought his level would drop but he played incredible throughout and deserved to win.

    Rafa just has to keep playing and as long as the knee holds up he will keep getting better.
     
  17. Murrayfan31

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    Ahaha Nadal lost. Rosol showed the way and many will follow. hahahaha
     
  18. kalyan4fedever

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    you just put salt on the wound for the poor rafa fans, ouch thats gotta hurt them
     
  19. PrinceMoron

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    Yes, and when people go on about Olympic gold, or how Nadal might have the best ever start to a season, they need to get a reality check.

    WTF and slams is the name of the game. Who cares about 250s?
     
  20. Tony48

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    The only Nadal fan that I hope is suffering is Clarky. Perhaps the tennis gods are telling her that she has given Djokovic one-too-many stupid nicknames
     
  21. namelessone

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    This makes no sense.

    Not to mention that I was never as pessimistic as Clarky. I don't think I've ever seen Clary even mildy optimistic on anything regarding Rafa.
     
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    Really pleased for Zeballos as this will kickstart his career again & should give him huge confidence. To think he actually prefers hardcourts & going forwards.:twisted:

    Clarky is not alone with his "voice of doom". Wilander, Agassi & everyone who really knows tennis expected Nadal to take a while to find match fitness after 7 months out. The race is on now for him to try to get it all rolling by RG.

    Glad to see Nadal back & playing with the pain.
    This will hopefully silence a few who think that tennis is easy & the top 5 just need to turn up. It still requires hard work.

    Boss will be waiting as will all the other guys, the tour doesn't sleep.
     
  23. Tafmatch

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    This win must make Zeballos the favorite for RG. The big question is: will he drop a set?
     
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    Rafa, gracious as always.


    Enhorabuena a Horacio por su gran victoria. Ha sido una semana muy especial para mi. Gracias por vuestro apoyo incondicional.
    Congratulations to Horacio for his great win. It's been a very special week for me. Thank you all for your unconditional support.

    Gracias Chile por todo. Ha sido una semana especial!
    Thanks for everything Chile. It's been a special week!

    [​IMG]
     
  26. namelessone

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    Didn't see the match but if Zeballos played as great as everybody says then congrats to him. Rafa was probably at his usual level for his first week back, which was not exactly great from the matches that I did watch.

    As for what this means going forward, it only depends on Nadal and the state of his knees. A loss in a 250 final after 7 months off isn't a tragedy just like a win here wouldn't have been something to brag about. These are more or less testing venues for Rafa in his comeback. After he gets done with the Golden Swing we can see how far he has come since hitting his first ball in Vina del Mar.

    If after 3 tournies his form is still pretty wonky then yes, we as fans have something to worry about. My biggest worry at the moment isn't Rafa losing to nr.73 in the world on clay(a guy he hammered in RG in the past) but that he still looks very unsure about his legs. His movement just seemed awkward this week and this is clay we are talking about.

    I don't know if this is Rafa slowing down cause of age(Rafa has dominated clay since 2005) or if he is still guarding his left leg but hopefully this will be sorted in the next few weeks.
     
  27. OddJack

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    His tennis age is over 31, and he is injured. I expect him to get worse as he continues to play, specially that he is going on hard courts soon.

    Nadal is burnt, mentally and physically. The fact is he does not enjoy the pain as he used to and he does not enjoy tennis as much as he used to either.
     
  28. tudwell

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    But you say this before every tournament, even the ones he won last year and in 2011. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
     
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    agree completely. His movement was suspect and even at times seemed hesitant. There were only a few times in this match where it seemed rafa was willing to make it a point to defend like a demon and go after every ball.

    he seemed especially vulnerable moving to his left, Ive never seen rafa so vulnerable on the fh side. Also, he seemed slow to react at times and unable to change direction quickly and with balance.


    could be because of layoff but I dont know.
     
  30. namelessone

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    This was something that some of his opponents picked up pretty early on. Gimeno-Traver really pounded him in the second set on the fh side and I imagine it was no different with Zeballos. The bandaged left knee doesn't inspire too much confidence but most worrying is that Rafa isn't even starting on balls that he would have reached without problem 2-3 years ago.

    Not a lot of things were good for Rafa in his first week back but 3 were dreadful IMO: BH, general movement, ROS.
     
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  31. TheCheese

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    Nobody should EVER write off Rafa. He'll be back.
     
  32. SLD76

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    and I wonder..I mean timing I can see because of lack of match play, but basic movement? I dunno...
     
  33. Goosehead

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    you lot are crazy..obviously he is going to be off the pace..:confused:

    his level will go up slowly over the next few months..thats the reality.
     
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    This needs to be updated.
     
  35. kalyan4fedever

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    Is zeb playing brazil
     
  36. Sartorius

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    From the bits I've seen from this tournament Rafa actually seems to be in the right groove. Sure, he's pretty much a confidence player and he would have loved this win, but he should and I'm sure he will treat the fact that he played all matches in this tournament as a big positive going forward. A lot more matches lie ahead for him before RG.

    Looks like Zeballos played some awesome tennis, quite a way to win the first title.
     
  37. Murrayfan31

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    lol Nadal hoping he isn't.
     
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    Probably the most useful post on here. Should Rafa retire if he can't move right anymore? It is a legit concern. I would actually consider it if this does not work out.

    If Nadal was moving well but making sloppy mistakes and lost(or hell won close match) then I think there would be no concerns.

    Saying his movement was not good...and did he ever slide to hit a ball - this is much worse news than him making rusty errors.

    I'd love to see a breakdown of the tape, comparing points from 2010 to this tourney, similar movements and points. See how he actually is moving.

    I wonder if the top 3 have people working on it right now...
     
  39. rafan

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    Also this was a tournament whereby the top hundred or so can make some money. Nadal is quite aware of this. He looked very pleased at the ceremony afterwards that his opponent won and I just think this tournament was a work out rather than a competition.
     
  40. hersito

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    Actually that's not a true transcription of what he said, he had a very nice Freudian Slip, he said "Thanks for everything Chile and Im sure I'm not coming back... I mean I'll be back soon..."

    Tried to find the video but can't.
     
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    Looks like it. And looks like they're in opposite half of the draws so could be another Nadal-Zeb final. Zeballo plays a qualifier in the first round and would then face Almagro.
     
  42. Clarky21

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    Nadal won't win a match in Brasil. And Zeb will go back to his usual level like all the one and done's do.
     
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    [​IMG]
     
  44. Clarky21

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    Lol. Cute gif, but he still won't win a match.
     
  45. Towser83

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    Right, if he loses first match, then full credit to you. Otherwise, same old rubbish.
     
  46. Clarky21

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    We'll have to wait and see but I'm keeping my expectations as low as possible.
     
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    That's what he posted on his facebook. His words, in English. No translation required.
     

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