Nadal wants a two-year ranking system to fight fatigue

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    Rafael Nadal says the ATP needs a massive change in the ranking system to keep players from burning out and getting injured, with the No. 1 calling for a two-year cycle to replace the current 12-month grind.

    "I've been saying for some time now that for me, it would be better to have a two-year ranking system - it would be better for the players," said the Spaniard, winner of his last three events on clay with a potential fifth straight Roland Garros next on his plate.

    "Today it is mandatory to play every week and everywhere you are defending and if you lose you lose lots of points, especially in my case. It affects everyone and not just the high-ranked player but any player in the top 100.

    "A two-year ranking would be much more favorable and to give some piece of mind. It would also help extend the career of the tennis players."

    Nadal is competing in Madrid this week for his fourth out of the last five with the French Open starting a week from Sunday.

    ~ Johan Lindahl

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    Hmmm.... Free 1 year as number one? I don't think so.
     
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  3. thejoe

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    You don't notice the other guys burning out so much. I don't think this would help everyone else as much as it would help him.
     
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  4. slice bh compliment

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    Of course the top guys want this.
    And the up&comers? No. What a hill to climb, especially in terms of opportunity and money.
    Think of the entry lists.

    I'm not in favor of this at all. I mean, this sort of thing is used for incidental rankings/ratings like the Davis Cup Nations rankings. Cool.

    But for the ATP Tour?

    I can see why Djerkovic would whine about this stuff, but Rafa?

    Fighting fatigue, huh? Well, the guys could just grow up, play a little less, peak when they need to and not worry about ranking points.
     
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  5. seffina

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    Rafa, it wouldn't work. It might help you and some players, but it would take so much excitement out of the game. It'll also keep a lot of people from making progress.

    52 weeks is just fine. Now if you want to look at the points distribution that the ATP has horribly screwed up, I'm all for it.
     
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    True! It's the way Nadal schedule his year. Grinding every single clay court event he can enter + the clay court master series which is only separated by 1 week (two weeks most), FO, one week rest of grass prep plus, rest for another week then Wimby, then off for the NA hardcourt swing prep for USO.

    He needs to rethink his schedule for the sake of longevity.
     
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    Just start it over each year, at the end focus on the Grand Slams and their best "x" masters series with "x" non GS/Masters events

    if they choose to play every week fine, but in the end it will be about 20 events needed for a ranking..same conversation for 20 years with people complaining about the season length but making sure to go to UAE for some serious $ before the Australian each year and the rounds after the year end championships...
     
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  8. vtmike

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    Yup very unfair to the upcoming players!
     
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    Meh big deal if he wants it its not its gonna change nothing he can do about it
     
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  10. drakulie

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    How arrogant of him.
     
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  11. bizarre_opinion

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    thats sounds like a ridiculous idea to me. Maybe rafa needs to change his style of play, so its less taxing on his body?
     
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    I don't even understand what a 2-year ranking is...so if you become #1 you could take the next year off, THEN start defending?
     
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    This sounds like it would hurt up and coming players more than anything, and help the higher ranked players, specifically top 5 or 10.

    How about instead of a two year system, the players be more aware of what their body can do and what to enter. I mean if i guy can play week in week out and his body hold up, kudos to him and he deserves the points.

    The system shouldn't work to reserve a players ranking, once you reach the top it shouldn't get easier, you need to work hard to also maintain the ranking.
     
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  14. vtmike

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    Just imagine the reaction if Fed would have said the exact same thing when he was # 1...

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    :)I will start to respect players like nadal's views on the calender system
    when they start skipping Dubai to be "fresh" for the slams.:)
     
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    "Today it is mandatory to play every week and everywhere you are defending and if you lose you lose lots of points, especially in my case. It affects everyone and not just the high-ranked player but any player in the top 100.

    Did the reporter get this right? Did Nadal miss-speak? Doesn't sound like a champion's mentality. Heck yeah, you better win ALOT if you want to be #1. Winning hasn't seemed to be a problem for Nadal recently.

    I can respect player's complaints about the grind. Tennis could benefit from a longer break in the schedule. Maybe lose some stupid events like the year end championship?
     
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    But all this time Nadal has been saying that he does NOT care about rankings? :confused: :-?
     
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    Buhahahaha, he's clearly concerned about something.
     
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    Honestly, he's probably just feeling the pressure of defending the next five titles with Hamburg (points wise), French, Queens, Wimbledon, and Toronto. And that he'll lose the Olympics points that he can't defend. That's 7250 points that he has to defend in the next few months and even if wins them all, he can only defend 6250 points. It's just the pressure of being number one I suppose. :)
     
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  20. KoolBeans

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    If he wants to extend his career, he would need to change the way he plays, more winners/less grinding etc. Changing the ranking system would probably cause something even worse.

    And a two year system definately wouldnt work. How the hell would upandcomers break through?
     
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  21. seffina

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    His method of playing has changed. His matches clearly don't last as long. He's having a better year than last year so far. He's not wearing his knee tapes anymore.

    Still two year system is silly and won't work. He has a right to his opinion, but I don't think it would help anyone but the top twenty maybe.
     
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  22. KoolBeans

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    ^^^^ i meant ... mooorrrreeeeee, if he wants to play for a reallly long time.
     
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    Bad idea.ExFed 'd still be #1 this year.
     
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    I noticed there have been no comments by any of the hardcore Nadal fans yet...I guess they decided to keep out of this one... :twisted:
     
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    ^^^They don't want to stoop down to nadal's arrogant level. :)
     
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    The system is fine as it is. He should just pipe down and focus on his game. I don't like it when these top players complain about the ranking system, surfaces etc. Why the hell does the ATP or a tournament have to adjust to whoever is at the top at the moment? The current conditions obviously work well enough for them to get there!
     
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    I know it would not be practical and I understand why the system is different but I always thought it would be nice to start at 0 at the beginning of the year. It would be more encouraging for the players to add points with every tournament played rather than make it to the final and LOSE points just because you happened to have won that tournament the year before, it must feel like being penalized all the time instead of being rewarded for how far you go.
    I also think the official rankings never really reflect the players' current form and level. The race rankings are always more accurate to measure everyone's level of performance, it also enables people to anticipate the ranking changes that are likely to happen but take several more months to materialize on the official rankings.
     
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  28. And punish the guy who worked his butt off the last year to be number 1? So you do badly at the australian and then youre ranked 50th? The current system works. Maybe a shorter season should be in order, but a 52 week revolving ranking, as it is now, works fine.
     
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    it won't work. imagine a player who goes on to win the YEC, only for him to enjoy his ranking points for only 1 month. now how fair is that?
     
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    Agreed. If say someone who doesn't do well at hardcourts doesn't have his clay court points, he might have to go through the qualies to get into a tourny even if they won it last year! That would be ridiculous. The current 52 weeks system is quite perfect, IMO. And as I've said a million times, they really need to look into the points and money distribution. It's way too skewed towards winning.
     
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    But........

     
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    You're so eager to bash, hum, almost desperate! I don't know why you're so titillated and excited at the notion apparently that Rafa said something truly evil and scandalous when the only thing he did was mention a system change that he would like to happen. So what? Even if it's a bad idea, there's nothing wrong or shocking in expressing it if that's the way he feels. Everybody is free to disagree and ignore the idea but I've never heard before that making a suggestion was something offensive.
     
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  33. But this gives incentive for people to work harder and do better. If everything was more evened out, it doesn't reward those who do better. That's just my take on it anyway.
     
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  34. I would consider myself a pretty hardcore fan. But his opinion is dumb.
     
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    ahh the irony...btw in which post did I bash Nadal? care to enlighten me?

    When did I say that his suggestion was offensive? :-?
     
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    HAHAHAHAHA!
     
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    I know the idea is not perfect and that's why it's not applied but even if you missed the AO, I still think adding points all year instead of worrying about "defending" would be more positive. As I said in my other post, that system would also have drawbacks (like the one you mentioned) so I understand why it's not applied.
     
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    But what? What I stated was my opinion which is visibly different from Rafa's, so it has nothing to do with whatever Rafa said or didn't say.
     
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    I didn't say that winning shouldn't pay and be more points, just that not so much. The fact is that it takes a lot of work to get to the final and semis of an event as well. Nobody is asking it to be evened out. Winners should be emphasized, but not to quite the degree that they are. Just my opinion, of course.
     
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    My My someones getting angry... :)

    My question was "But all this time Nadal has been saying that rankings are not important to him?" Nothing wrong about that question now is it?
     
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  41. Winning is always positive. The ATP tour isn't a self affirmation program, so they don't have to figure out ways to make the players "feel better." I'll tell you what's positive. Putting your nose to the grindstone, working hard, and getting the results. This applies to everything in life really.

    Not trying to sound like a "hard @$$" but it's true. If you want something, you have to earn it.
     
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    I agree, I don't understand why they changed the points difference, I thought it was fine the way it was before.
     
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  43. Fair enough. :) What is that avatar of yours? It looks familiar for whatever reason...
     
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    I meant my post has nothing to do with Nadal's quote so there was no reason to compare them.
     
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    It's from the opening credits of the Japanese drama Hotaru no Hikari.
     
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    also,

    also, in which post did I bash Nadal? &

    when did I say that his suggestion was offensive? :-?
     
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    To add is always more satisfying than to subtract, the competition in itself would always be tough and demanding, that would never change no matter what.
     
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    Why not something in between; instead of a 1 or 2 year ranking, how bout a ranking based on the last 70 weeks (i.e. one and a half years)?
     
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    His comment is extremely offensive, arrogant, and selfish. What about all the players it will affect??

    To add, I know a guy who works for Rafa, and he told me this is the way Rafa is all the time. He doesn't care about others, just himself, which is why he doesn't spend time with fans autographing, and leaves the courts messy.
     
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