Nadal was so quick to serve back then...

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvAGAdLArKY&feature=related

    Looking at the video of Nadal vs Federer At Miami 2004, I was surprised to notice that Nadal took so little time each time he served. First serves.. he bounced the ball twice. He bounced the ball only once if it's a serve after a LET serve was called.

    When did he start taking longer to serve?????? (fixing his hair locks, adjusting his underwear, bouncing the balls several times...) Was it his own decision to start this ritual or perhaps Uncle Toni asked him to take his time more before his serve?

    But... in that video at 8:44, Nadal did pick his butt... and continue to do this occasionally during the match.

    But it's so painful now to watch him with his serving routine... he should come back to his old serving routine... much quicker and not so annoying.
     
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  2. caulcano

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    Over the years, he's developed OCD and a big tendency to get as much rest between points to recover from the previous point.
     
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    Nadal didn't even pick his butt back then...
     
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    Fast indeed.
     
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  5. Mustard

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    Why are some people so fascinated by the speed Nadal plays at?
     
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    Wow, his backhand was really no bueno by comparison back then. Some misses you'd almost never see today.
     
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  7. TennisFan008

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    Uncle Toni told him to take his time between points and Rafa feels this helps his game.
     
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    Because he is unwatchable at his current speed.
     
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  9. Djokovicfan4life

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    Disagree completely. Hold on a second........




    *adjusts water bottles*




    *butt picks*




    *brushes hair away*




    What were we talking about again?
     
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  10. aprilfool

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    What. he. said.
     
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    Rafa, unwatchable? Sorry for you, I guess. :?


    I'd rather watch Rafa and his OCD tendencies before serve than watch Djokovic bounce the ball a hundred times and then double fault. And I don't even mind Djokovic.
     
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    I would suggest watch paint dry as a more zenful alternative.
     
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    He also had a platform stance on his serve back then....
     
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    lol, Nadal looks really short.
     
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    Or a baseball game.
     
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    Tennis really should bring in a clock that counts down from 25 seconds between each serve. If you don't serve on time, you lose a point. Time wasters like Djoker,Verdasco and Rafa would adjust quickly if forced to.
     
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    The time rule needs to be abolished. Some players are just slower than others.
     
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    Mustard, that is the dumbest suggestion I've ever heard. So, what, if one player gets tired out after a point, he can wait 5 minutes before serving the next time?

    Some players are slower than others, that's fine. That's why there is latitude in how long players can take -- up to 25 seconds.
     
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    Because he is a cheater. And the *******s deny that fact. So everytime that we find some evidence, we show it, so the *******s can someday assume it. Got it?

    This thread is another example: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=4306339
     
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    I love when Soderling left to get a new racquet at Wimbledon as Rafa was going through the 2 minute routine before serve. Classic.
     
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    make it 30 seconds and put a clock out there

    if you can't adjust your head after 30 seconds and serve then you shouldn't be playing on the atp or wta. because 95/100 it's mental rather than physical, and even then wasting time because you're gassed shouldn't be a reason either
     
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    25 seconds is too quick. Some players regularly go over that when they are clearly playing at a pace that's their normal game. The endless moaning about Nadal proves this.

    On second thoughts, rather than abolish the rule, increase it to 1 minute.
     
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    increasing it to 1 minute would be the equivalent of a commercial break between each serve, i would never watch tennis again
     
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    Nadal sometimes takes over 50 seconds between serves. Are you still watching?
     
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    Mustard sounds like the TW term for a Muster fanboy...
     
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    he doesn't take 50 seconds every time, if it was elevated to 1 minute then he would take that 1 minute every time because he can. i'm sure he doesn't take 50 seconds every time because eventually the umpire would have to call something
     
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    Yes, and that is a disgusting abuse of the rules. I can't help that you're blinded by your fanboyism when even Nadal fans like Tennisandmusic and thenamelessone think 50 seconds is far too long and technically cheating.

    Of course, complaining (which numerous fans, players, and even commentators have done) can only do so much, and it is up to the umpires to curtail this nonsense. If they don't, Nadal is free to do as he pleases.
     
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    It's a term I thought up. Rather a good pun :)

    So you're accusing Nadal of using gamesmanship rather than him just playing his normal game?
     
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    i'm accusing him of breaking the rules because it isn't enforced strictly. most of his serves are under 30 seconds, for the times over 30 (after a long rally, or for a big point) i can't sympathize with him because he's suppose to be the best in the world and not need time to gather himself
     
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    Too quick? no.. 20 seconds is enought for many many players (Federer GOAT for example). If grinders abuse of the time rule they should be sanctioned. Tired? your fault, dont make your opponent wait.
     
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    I remember Murray asked the umpire if he would be checking Nadal for the time and the umpire said he was "aware that Nadal sometimes pushes it". If I was Murray I would gone totally crazy.

    No he doens't just sometimes push it, he regularly breaks it, and they don't give him the appropriate punishment. Occasionally you'll hear the umpire warn him for time violations, but then they don't follow it up with a penalty point because Nadal gives them a dirty look.

    He would be told by me quite frankly "either follow the rules or get off the court".
     
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    yes. federer is good for viewing he never wastes any time, he wants to demolish his opponents quickly
     
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    That's Federer. Other players need more time. I don't see why players should be sanctioned for taking time to compose themselves.
     
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    They are professional athletes and they know the rules of their sport. Nobody is stopping them practising serving in under 20 seconds.
     
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    because 5 hour marathon matches can be 10 hour marathon matches with what you are trying to implement, i doubt the players who don't abuse the rule would want to be on the court 50% longer just because the other guy likes to take his time.

    grand slams would have to go for 3 weeks because the time it takes to complete 2 matches could take up the whole day of play.

    people wouldn't watch tennis on tv, networks wouldn't want to put it on tv because nobody would watch it.

    seriously, everything is wrong about taking more than 30 seconds between serves. if the best players in the world can't compose themselves in 30 seconds or less between serves then they shouldn't be the best, leave that for the people who have short term memory loss (davydenko and federer)
     
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    Couldn't have said it any better.

    Something needs to be done about this excess time wasting. Soon the ATP will become like the WTA and we will have 4 hour best of 3 set matches.
     
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    Too late. We already have (2009 Madrid: Nadal vs. Djokovic).
     
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    Double post.
     
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    Of course. One of the two biggest time wasters on the ATP, what do you except? Not to mention it was on clay so extended rallies + two tie break sets didn't make it any shorter.
     
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    It was an epic match. Gripping. Not exactly the sort of match that will turn people away from tennis just because both players took their time.
     
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    This is why we now have boring baseline play, guys can just rest inbetween points then play 40 stroke ralleys and rest again.
     
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    Fully agree, but certainly it was an exception as both players were playing out of their mind. Probably one of the best 3 set matches of all time. However, imagine watching match after match that is around 4 hours, but not as high caliber. I think anyone would probably rip their eyes out of their sockets
     
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    watch any bjorn borg match and you can see he would have rallies with connors or lendl that would go on forever, yet when it was over he would serve within 15 seconds. it was unreal, and the reason why even though those matches had on average longer points they never went 5+ hours because they never took time between serves
     
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    Well, speak for yourself, even my parents who are huge Nadal fans were upset with the time wasting in the match, and they were AT the stadium LIVE rooting for their hero.

    Most players fnish 5 sets quicker than that.
     
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    Seriously? How about because it's against the rules? You can't just say different players need different length breaks between points so they can play their very best. That same reasoning could justify absolutely absurd acts on the part of the players. Take, for example, a match between Seppi and Nadal, should Seppi be allowed to use the doubles alley because that will allow him to play his very best game and probably beat Nadal, something he wouldn't otherwise be able to do. No, because it's against the rules of singles play to hit the ball in the doubles alley. It is completely irrelevant that if you were allowed to do so you would play better. Just as it's irrelevant that Nadal plays better when taking longer between points.

    Rules is rules.
     
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    That's a ridiculous comparison :roll:
     
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    Hmm really? Both are instances of breaking the rules to obtain an advantage for your game. Perhaps you would like to explain the relevant disanalogy
     
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    The fact that in many sports, players are allowed to play at their own pace without the threat of a sanction. I mean, so what if Nadal takes 30 seconds instead of 25. Big deal. But your comparison is saying "what if the actual rules of playing singles' tennis were changed". I don't see how you can compare such a thing to composing yourself before serving.
     
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    That already happened remember nadal vs djokovic Madrid semi final 2009. When ppl were saying it was the best 3 set match of the year yet in reality the match was like 35-40 mins of actual tennis.
     
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    Umm the time allowed between serves is part of the rules of singles tennis (at least on the ATP circuit). Composing yourself before serving breaks those rules, just as using the doubles alley in singles breaks the rules. So you're hypothesising about the rules of singles tennis being changed as well. It IS a big deal if Nadal takes only 5 more seconds than is allowed. If Nadal hit the ball into the doubles alley by just a millimetre would you say "that's ok no big deal". Who are you to say which rules should be obeyed, and how do you justify your opinion that only some rules should be allowed to be broken rather than others? Alot of other people in this thread seem to agree that the time allowed between serves is a very important rule indeed.

    And other sports have different rules, so it's no surprise that in other sports players are allowed to do different things. It doesn't help you at all to appeal to different sports here, it's like saying doubles players can use the doubles alleys so why can't singles players. The answer: because they have different rules.
     
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