Nadal will have to...

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by TheMagicianOfPrecision, Jun 9, 2011.

  1. ...win 6 GS out of the next 10 if he wanna be in the same category as the alltime greatest Roger Federer.

    Not that easy

    I am not seeing Nadal winning ANY slams from AO 2014 and forward.

    If you read this carefully, you see there is no hate or anything, just a thought that crossed my mind.

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  2. Mick

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    even if he could do it, he still wouldn't be in the same category as federer in the eyes of some people :)
     
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    what about 5 YEC/WTF's ?? Does he not need those to be in the same category.

    Let's not be so generous, OP.
     
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  4. Nadalfan89

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    What about record number of master's and a gold medal? How about a winning H2H against your main rival? Doesn't Federer need those? Don't be so generous to Fed.
     
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    Not that easy, since Noel ain't gonna allow Raphla to win any more slams. Maybe an FO or 2, but not the others.
     
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    Hush, little one. How many masters is Fed short of Rafa. And how many Gold medals ?

    And who else has Olympic singles gold medals. Gosh, i can hardly even remember the names of those players. And did you know, in 1996 the bronze medal was won by Leander Paes who is not even known to be a singles player. What was his world rank then ? Pretty much shows how much value an Oly medal has compared to a slam.
     
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    Olympics... ffs.. even Zeeshan Ali made it to Oly's main draw!!!
     
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    If Nadal can hit 14 or 15 he'll exceed Federer. Davis Cup, head-to-head, and OLYMPIC GOLD IN SINGLES far out weight ONE grand slam.

    Hell, I'd say an Olympic Gold is worth 3 slams.
     
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  9. Gorecki

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    lets say ferrer, lopez, verdasco... they are all better than Federer too...

    Hrbaty better than Nadal, so is Davydenko!

    Zeeshan ali...

    oh yes...

    i would say about 5, being two sw19s...
     
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  10. BULLZ1LLA

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    (Rafa will still be able to win slams in his 30s so it really doesn't matter how many he wins over the next 3 years)
     
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    no he has equal or surpass Fed's grand-slam titles, nothing more, nothing less
     
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    ................*he has to
     
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  13. bolo

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    Hmmn Day 4 and Nadal's RG victory still seems so fresh! :)
     
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    I will have nightmares about that 1st for the whole year atleast.
     
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  15. bolo

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    well hopefully federer wins something soon and we can all move forward.
     
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  16. Mick

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    if he wins wimbledon, then he'll be great once again :)
     
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  17. You are right, Slams are not everything. WTF:s are also really important.

    Exagerate much,no? I doubt that there were ANY (not even HERE) who said Nadal was burned out at 21-22, thats ridiculous
     
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  18. Listen to this NADAL-FANS. This is the reason I cant stand you
     
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  19. TheNatural

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    Fed needs Rafa to win less than 6 out of the next 20 slams or Rafa will remain greater than Fed.

    Rafa has 10/28 (35% strike rate)
    Fed has 16/48 (33% strike rate)
     
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  20. crazyups

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    How about the fact that slams and YEC favor hard court specialists? Twice as many hard court slams compared to grass or clay.
     
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  21. Povl Carstensen

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    What Nadal needs to do to catch up with Federer, the eternal discussion... And yes, the answer remains that time willl tell.
    But gazzillions of words will be wasted before that time.
    I will try to avoid it, and focus on playing end enjoying tennis, and whats it called...oh yes a life.
     
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    Once he win Basel or Stockholm all will be well again.
     
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  23. Do not insult the Stockholm Open, i was there and it was epic!:twisted:
     
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  24. Thats great man! Good for you, tell me how it goes!
     
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  25. zagor

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    LOL,I envy you for watching that grizzled Swiss veteran live :).It was a good tounament,I enjoyed Fed's matches against Ljubicic,Stan and Mayer in the final.
     
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    lol. 10 char. :)
     
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  27. Yeah it felt unreal, i sat 5 metres from Federer , fantastic!:)
     
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    But if you read between the lines, there is actually plenty of hate ha ha.
     
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    :):):)

    A real "floater" in the draw next to Fed, eh?
     
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  32. Satch

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    Maybe it's worth 3 slams but it's not a slam...

    So you cant count it like that. If he wins 15 he will still have 1 less than Roger period.
     
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  33. powerangle

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    I can see why Nadal would "have to" win 6 slams...but why 6 out of 10?

    I don't think Nadal will retire that early, especially if he's close to Fed's tally. He'll probably be hungry enough to hunt it down (play another slam or two) if he's just 1 shy.
     
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  34. Because 10 GS is how many there are left until AO 2014- The year I think Nadal might retire-atleast I dont see him winning slams at 28
     
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  35. Fedex

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    Big bird Berdych is going to dominate the Slams starting with Wimbledon.
    You heard it here first.
    (Mark my words)
     
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  36. powerangle

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    So we can count Nadal's "extra stats on the side" besides Federer, but we can't count Federer's "extras"? What about all those 3-slam years and total dominance of Fed, what about all the weeks at #1, year-ending #1, WTF/YEC titles?

    It's not like Fed ONLY has the slam count going for him (over Nadal).

    When you factor in all the statistics, it counter-balances some of Nadal's other stats that he has over Fed. And then after all that, when you consider the one or two slam deficit (since you mentioned if Nadal can hit 14 or 15)...it's not so obvious anymore. There will still be some room for discussion.

    Nadal will have to at least pull level in the slam count to be considered "greater" than Fed (for me), since Rafa will still likely be deficient in other stats compared to Federer. If Nadal pads his #1 weeks a lot more (a LOT more), maybe win a couple WTFs, etc...then I could consider Nadal greater, maybe, if he is one slam short of Fed.
     
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  37. Yup, if the setup for the majors was 2 clay, 1 hard court and 1 grass per year, Nadal would already be the all time leader at total majors, which is why the whole "only slams matter" perspective is slightly misleading. It's highly surface dependent, and HIGHLY skewed towards those who have a "hard court game".

    As it stands now we have three "fast court" majors, and one "slow court" major. Can you imagine if it were 3-1 the other direction? Federer would be considered an "also ran", which of course wouldn't be fair.

    Major counts simply don't tell the whole story. That said I still think Federer and Nadal are basically the two best players to play the game. Maybe that's a bit unfair to past greats since they didn't have the advantage of the great gear the current guys get to use, but those are the breaks.
     
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    If Federer can't manage to win the 2012 single's medal, (his dream) then certainly his career will not be a complete one,,,by his standards and those of the tennis world. His legacy hinges on that gold medal.
     
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    I don't believe that Rafa will win 6 more slams. Heck, I don't believe he will catch Sampras. Does it matter to me in the grand scheme of things? Nope. Tennis fans should feel privileged that they can witness the performances of two of the best players to have ever played the game, regardless of how different their styles might be.
     
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    Well maybe by his standards, but I hardly believe the tennis world will care that much. Well except for a few people on this forum. And I seriously doubt that the legacy of former greats is tarnished by the absence of tennis at the Olympics prior to 1988.
     
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    (What if Rafa wins this Wimbledon [likely] and wins this US Open [never does worse than the SF, so likely if he serves like last year]. That would be 12 slams, and would have won 6 of the last 7 slams he played. He'd be a virtual lock to get more than 16 in that case)
     
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    mehhhh... so Federer was lucky? i don't think so...it's the way Rafa played, he forced his body by doing his game..injured wrist, thigh, knees, almost every.the only thing that isn't injured in Nadal is his heart and mentality, Federer plays less injuryprone style, he dont need to battered himself to win GS...Rafa is the best Claycouter, but GOAT, it will be federer, it's about dominance(rafa also dominates, 2008 and 2010 though) and consistency(not even close, 23 consecutive semifinal GS) ..at the age of almost 30, and still a force to be reckon with...

    but if nadal wins around another 8 grandslam..yeah 18 overall...then it would be pretty close..and he needs to win WTF at least 3 times...

    and if someone gonna put that H2H AGAin, shut up, ..The Tour wasn't just about Fed and Nadal, there's thousand of players..

    as Tio Toni said.. Nadal style is not good for Federer, and Fed's mentality aint good against his boy..

    you know, Michael Jordan can't beat Ray allen in 3 point shoot out...but that ain't make Allen a better player..
     
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    Rafa only needs to win WTF once, because he has so many other edges over Federer, like Olympic Singles Gold, Masters Shields - Rafa already has the record, and plenty of years left to rack up around 30 of them - and the head2head which is so lopsided it will be taken into account. Also all these records-

    Only lost one match in Grand Slam play after winning the first set.

    Only male player in the open era to win 21 consecutive grand slam matches within a calendar year
    (French open 2010 - US Open 2010).

    Lost only six sets in winning the three titles namely French Open, Wimbledon & US Open in 2010.

    Nadal is the only player in the Open Era to win more than one ATP Tournament at least 6 times in his career.

    Best career outdoor match winning percentage: 85.35% (466-80).

    Winner of the most Golden Bagel Awards (3) in Open Era during the year 2005, 2008 and 2009.

    Most consecutive weeks as World Number 2 than any player in the history of the computer rankings maintained by the
    Association of Tennis Professionals (ATP): 160 weeks.

    Most weeks at No.2: 189 weeks.

    Quickest player to reach 400 wins by playing less than 500 matches (401-91).

    Established a lead of 5245 points in October 2010, a record since the point values were doubled in 2009.

    Nadal has earned the highest amount of prize money ever in a single season, $10,171,998, in 2010.

    Winner of the 2010 Laureus Sportsman Award of the Year. Nadal had earlier won the 2006 Laureus Award for the
    World Newcomer of the Year.

    Only male player in history to win Roland Garros, Wimbledon and US Open in the same year on 3 different surfaces.

    Tied the US Open serving record to become the 2nd player in history to only be broken 5 times (Roddick is the other).

    Highest 5 set winning% of all-time.

    Best Grand Slam Finals conversion rate in history of players to have won 5 slams or more.

    Most Masters Shields Ever (19).

    Only player ever to win 3 straight Masters Shields.

    Youngest male in Open Era to win the Career Grand Slam.

    Youngest male ever to win the Career Golden Grand Slam.

    Winner of 28 consecutive Grand Slam sets in the year 2010 and 24 in 2008.

    Only male to have won French Open, Wimbledon, and Olympic Gold Medal in the same year (2008 ).

    Most singles titles won in a single season as a teenager: 11 (2005).

    Won 24 consecutive matches, the longest winning streak of any teenager in the open era, in 2005.

    Nadal joins Aussie legend Rod Laver as the only left-handers to win all four Grand Slams.

    The only player to have lost just one game in an ATP World Tour Masters 1000 final (Monte Carlo 2010: 6-0, 6-1).

    Longest single-surface winning streak in the Open Era: 81 matches (11 April 2005 - 20 May 2007).

    31 consecutive match wins at Roland Garros.

    58–1 record in best-of-five-set matches on clay.

    Quickest male player (losing fewest matches) in the Open Era to reach 200 clay-court wins (200–16).
     
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    ^ Most of these are just laughable. But i give you this ...

    Federer will not break Nadal's record of weeks at #2, LOL !!!!
     
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    @bullzilla - Lol,...especially at the "Left handers"...and no, 1 WTF ain't gonna be enough...
     
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    I was standing directly in front of Fed after his practice session at the Aus Open in 09 until a fat security guard pushed me away. Though I made sure he heard me say I hope Rafa beats you again! LOL how it actually happened!
     
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    They aren't as impressive as a lot of Federer's records for sure. But don't be a troll, they aren't laughable.
     
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    He he, most weeks at nr two... Most of these records are about clay and being young.

    Wimbledon 2003 — Australian Open 2010, 16 titles. Stands alone.
    US Open 2008 — Australian Open 2010, Career Grand Slam. Rod Laver, Andre Agassi, Rafael Nadal.
    Wimbledon 2003 — Australian Open 2010, 22 finals. Stands alone.
    Wimbledon 2005 — US Open 2007, 10 consecutive finals. Stands alone.
    Wimbledon 2004 — Australian Open 2010, 23 consecutive semi-finals. Stands alone.
    Wimbledon 2004 — U.S. Open 2010, 26 consecutive quarter-finals. Stands alone.
    2006 — 2007, 2 consecutive years winning 3+ titles. Stands alone.
    2004 & 2006 — 2007, 3 years winning 3+ titles. Stands alone.
    2004 — 2007, 4 consecutive years winning 2+ titles. Stands alone.
    2004 — 2007 & 2009, 5 years winning 2+ titles. Stands alone.
    2003–2010, 8 consecutive years winning 1+ title. Björn Borg, Pete Sampras.
    Wimbledon 2003 — Australian Open 2006, First 7 finals won. Stands alone.
    Australian Open 2004 — US Open 2010, 7 consecutive years winning 20+ matches. Ivan Lendl.
    US Open 2006 — French Open 2007, 36 consecutive sets won. Stands alone.
    US Open 2007, 35 consecutive service points won. Stands alone.
    US Open 2007, $2.4 million earned at one event. Stands alone.
    Wimbledon 2009, 50 aces in a final. Stands alone.
    French Open 2004 — Wimbledon 2008, 18 consecutive No. 1 seeds. Stands alone.

    Specific Grand Slams:
    Australian Open 2004–2010, 4 titles overall. Andre Agassi.
    Australian Open 2004 — 2010, 4 titles in 7 years. Stands alone.
    Australian Open 2004–2007, 3 titles in 4 years. Andre Agassi.
    Australian Open 2006–2007, 2 consecutive titles. Ken Rosewall, Guillermo Vilas, Johan Kriek, Mats Wilander, Stefan Edberg, Ivan Lendl, Jim Courier, Andre Agassi.
    Australian Open 2004–2010, 5 finals overall. Stefan Edberg.
    Australian Open 2004 — 2010, 7 consecutive semi-finals. Stands alone.
    Australian Open 2007, Won without dropping a set. Ken Rosewall.
    French Open 2006–2009, 4 consecutive finals. Björn Borg, Ivan Lendl, Rafael Nadal
    French Open 2006–2008, 3 runner-ups. Guillermo Vilas.
    French Open 2006 — 2008, 3 consecutive runner-ups. Stands alone.
    French Open 2005 — 2009, 5 consecutive semi-finals. Stands alone.
    Wimbledon 2003–2007, 5 consecutive titles. Björn Borg.
    Wimbledon 2003–2009, 7 finals overall. Boris Becker, Pete Sampras.
    Wimbledon 2003 — 2009, 7 consecutive finals. Stands alone.
    Wimbledon 2003 — 2009, 7 consecutive semi-finals. Stands alone.
    U.S. Open 2004–2008, 5 titles overall. Jimmy Connors, Pete Sampras.
    U.S. Open 2004 — 2008, 5 consecutive titles. Stands alone.
    U.S. Open 2004 — 2009, 40 consecutive match victories. Stands alone.

    Other records:
    2 February 2004 — 17 August 2008, 237 consecutive weeks at No.1. Stands alone.
    October 2003 — January 2005, 26 consecutive match victories vs. top 10 opponents. Stands alone.
    2005–2006, 56 consecutive hard court match victories. Stands alone.
    2003–2008, 65 consecutive grass court match victories. Stands alone.
    2003–2005, 24 consecutive tournament finals won. Stands alone.
    2006, 94.12% of tournament finals reached in 1 season. Stands alone.
    2005–2006, 2-season match winning percentage of 95.05%. Stands alone.
    2004–2006, 3-season match winning percentage of 94.27%. Stands alone.
    2004–2007, 4-season match winning percentage of 92.92%. Stands alone.
    2003–2010, 5 ATP World Tour Finals titles. Ivan Lendl, Pete Sampras.
    2007, $10 million earned in a season. Stands alone.
    2002–2010, 29 Masters 1000 finals reached. Stands alone.
    2005–2006, 29 consecutive Masters 1000 match victories. Stands alone.
    2004–2008, 2 consecutive Olympic games as wire-to-wire No. 1. Stands alone.
    2005–2007, 3 consecutive calendar years as wire-to-wire No. 1. Stands alone.
    2005–2007, 3 calendar years as wire-to-wire No. 1. Jimmy Connors.
     
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    (This explains why Rafa is underrated, when the less educated fans are criticizing any record involving clay. Of all the 30 or so records, only 2 are clay:

    58–1 record in best-of-five-set matches on clay.

    Quickest male player (losing fewest matches) in the Open Era to reach 200 clay-court wins (200–16).

    And the 81 match winning streak is a 'single-surface record'.

    And by the way, Roland Garros is the most watched tennis event in the world-

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