Nadal will never reach no 1 again.

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  1. Candide

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    Unlike others I'm not going to write the guy off and I hope he does manage another three or four seasons. However, even if he does manage another slam or even two they will only be on clay and he will be more of a supporting cast member in the other biggies. I can see him floating in the top 10 but it's hard to imagine him recaptuing the top spot ever again.
     
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  2. Ms Nadal

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    You know what I am not bothered about Rafa getting the number one rank. I was happy for many years when he was number two. Rafa doesn't like being number one anyway. He finds it pressurising, unlike Roger and Novak who love being number one. Will Rafa be back anyway? At this moment in time, I have serious doubts that he is able to carry on as a tennis player full stop. Both emotionally and physically. So, I don't think he will be number one again either. He has been there, done that and didn't enjoy it. He has said recently that he isn't bothered with rankings anyway. Poker is his new love and life.
     
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  3. Goosehead

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    wont be no1 again ?..thats what they said about federer in 2008 and again in 2010..

    lets see what happens with nadal when he plays again (suppose i should say if and when).
     
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  4. tennis_pro

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    Been burned too many times with writing him off but it's pretty safe to say he won't get back to no 1 for another 6-7 months at least, that's because he's too far behind in the rankings and won't be gaining any points until Wimbledon.
     
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  5. NadalAgassi

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    I have a feeling he will end 1 more year at #1 at some point, but that is it. It will be difficult for him getting back to #1 because:

    1. His own slight decline and Djokovic's improvements mean Djokovic has surpassed him in current ability. I still think a healthy and in form Nadal will beat Djokovic on clay or grass more often than not, but 70% of the tour is hard courts anyway, and at this point Djokovic has the edge there. I dont believe Murray has surpassed a healthy Nadal in ability yet, but he too could reach that point, and likely will at some point with continued improvement and Nadal's likely continued decline. Murray is only 1 year younger but is obviously following a different career path.

    2. He will find it harder to stay healthy for a whole year. I do think this year could have been a chance to return to #1, or atleast before the nightmarish Wimbledon, but then he gets injured and missed half the year, and almost falls to #5 as a result. He has always been more of an injury risk than most, but that is probably even stronger now.
     
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  6. zagor

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    Depends on his health, if he has several more somewhat injury-free seasons It would be hard to bet against him reaching #1 again at some point (even if he doesn't finish the year #1).
     
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  7. borg number one

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    It'll be tough, I agree, but I think it's WAY too early to say that Nadal will NEVER be #1 again. Never is a very strong word, especially when it comes to Nadal and tennis.
     
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  8. Sabratha

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    Nadal could potentially be #1 again, it's just not happening in the near future.
     
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    Senor Nadal will most certainly push himself to move up.
     
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  10. RAFA2005RG

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    Nadal was ranked 4th in March of 2010.
    Nadal was ranked 1st in June of 2010.

    In 2013 Nadal is defending a 2nd Round at Wimbledon and Nothing at the US Open. While Djokovic is defending a finals appearance at 3 slams. And after a LONG slam drought, Federer is defending WIMBLEDON, and Murray (the man who lost to Nadal in THREE slams in 2011) is defending the US Open and a Finals appearance at Wimbledon.

    Good luck to the OP....
     
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    What about before Wimby? He's defending over 5000 points in the first 6 months of the year.
     
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  12. Sabratha

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    Nadal will be ranked 20 something at the end of 2013, don't get your hopes up.
     
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  14. Candide

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    Won't have too long to find out. The next clay season will be mighty interesting. According to some he can win everything there on one leg but I think it'll be a lot harder than that if he's not fully fit. Just a 5% drop off could see him looking mighty glum.
     
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    I'm surprised Nadal is somehow in the top 4 still, despite not playing the second half of the season. This is both good and bad, since he has to really bring it for the first half, and then continue that dominance for the second half, if he wants any hope of regaining #1.
     
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  17. RAFA2005RG

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    So I take it you don't think Nadal is winning Roland Garros, Monte Carlo, Rome, Barcelona.... Because even if he wins nothing more than clay, your prediction of 20 is mathematically impossible.
     
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    Remember when he came back in 2010 with renewed purpose, and those new RPM blast strings that took the tour by surprise for at least 8 months and stormed back to #1 with his most dominanat year on tour.
     
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  19. rafafan20

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    Put I hope in front of the title and it would be more accurate
     
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    I think he will win a clay Master, get to quarters of Roland Garros and come up short, and then call it a year. He will end the year ranked either #20 or something around there.
     
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    Drama queen will come back from suspension and will win all the clay again while being injured so all the Nadal fangirls can scream and get excited, especially NSK and his right hand.
     
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  22. Sabratha

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    You don't know how well he's going to do on clay after having nearly a year off without practicing.
     
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    As for 2013 the start of the year is going to be crucial for Rafa. He has an AO final to defend and that will likely be his first (or 2nd) tour level event back. If he loses early there it could cost him 1000+ ranking points and drop him out of top 4. Then he will have that much more pressure to defend a crap load of points from 2012.
     
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    At least he stands a better chance than Borg of returning to the #1 spot... :)
     
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    I agree. All of this talk about Nadal's demise is once again premature imo.
     
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    Im would never say never. Nadal just has too much talent and doggedness to go down with his knees.

    He will be back to number 1 unfortunately. If not then he will still be damm close to it for a few more years.
     
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  27. cc0509

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    Not sure if he will be number one again but it is hard to see how he won't be in the top four given the weak field below the top four.
     
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  28. NadalDramaQueen

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    True that. :lol:
     
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  29. Djokodal Fan

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    When Rafa Climbs to N0.2 I will laugh at this thread!
     
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    Ehmmm...and why is that?
     
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    I don't think that matters much, if he can win 2 or more slams that would be great.

    However when Nadal completely dominates clay season and follows up with a Wimbledon final, he really only needs a couple well placed winning streaks throughout the rest of the year to have a shot at #1.

    If he comes back playing near his best tennis, he will be no worse than #3.
     
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    I don't think he cares one bit if he will ever be #1 again...been there, done that . He found it very stressful and found being #2 a better place to be.

    He doesn't need the money & he has the fame. It may be time for him to play golf and soccer and fish and spend time with his friends and family in a place he loves.

    What a great life he has made for himself.



    Vamos Rafa
     
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  33. Djokodal Fan

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    It will be slap for those who write him off so easily. You don't write off a 11 Grand slam winner so easily.

    Some *******s just hate him to the core.

    The first man to stand against the tyranny of Fed in Tennis world. He always has a special place in my heart and hence my user name!
     
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  34. Sabratha

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    Nadal probably wouldn't care if he's ranked #20 either, to him rankings are nothing, so he could possibly end next year at that rank.
     
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    Is this his tennis eulogy? Sure sounds like it.
     
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    Or even lower than that when all of his points drop off from the first half of the season. He's certainly not going to do crap in the second half of the season so his ranking is going to sink like the Titanic.
     
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  37. TheF1Bob

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    Depends what happens in the clay court season if there's anyone to challenge him.

    I'm looking at you Mr. Djokovic. 8)
     
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  38. Sabratha

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    Nadal will win a clay Master and get to the semifinals of Roland Garros at least, that guarantees him a top 20 ranking for the year.
     
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    Nope. Djesus will win something without the help of Dr. Igor before that ever happens.
     
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  40. Mike Sams

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    Uhm....what???? :-? :lol: That's why he killed his body for many seasons trying to take Federer's #1 ranking right? He also wanted a 2 year ranking system...
     
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  41. Mike Sams

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    Just like *******s hated Djokovic :lol:
    *******s also hate Rosol. The man who ended Nadal's 2012 season.
     
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  42. Sabratha

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    Nadal will win something next year, it just won't be anything compared to this year. It will be a slow decline.
     
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  43. borg number one

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    Very sound logic, thanks for that reasoning..lol..
     
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    Nadal only needs Djokovic to get injured to get a good chance to get back to #1. Never say never.
     
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    LOL, Nadal is not ending next year at number 20. Nadal could come back in a wheelchair and he would not end the year at number 20. Have you seen the field in men's tennis? Most of the players can't win consistently to save their lives.
     
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    I think that Nadal could very well come back and pass up Djokovic, Federer, and Murray, even if all three of those guys are playing well during 2013-2014. He may not do it, but I do not think him regaining the top spot is a very remote possibility. He's that good and though he may have lost a bit of explosiveness in his movement about the court, Nadal has become a much more complete player over the years. He's smarter and more efficient. Just look at how he has adjusted his game at Wimbledon for example, having improved his net play and becoming a better returner, moving in closer to the baseline, etc. His serve has improved as well. He's now a smarter, better player overall than he was in his early 20's. So, once he comes back, he's going to be in the mix almost certainly in my opinion. I could be wrong of course, but I'd be surprised if he returns and basically flames out or even stays at #3 or #4. Of course he may not return to #1, but to say he DEFINITELY will not regain the top spot is more problematic than to say he has a good shot at regaining the top spot. If you asked Murray, Federer, or Djokovic if they would count Nadal out, it would be a unanimous no.
     
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  47. RAFA2005RG

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    You owe me $100 when that scenario doesn't play out. I owe you $100 if it does.

    Done deal.
     
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  48. Sabratha

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    If he only gets to the semifinals of Roland Garros and wins a Master without doing anything else, he will end the year ranked at #20. I doubt he will be doing that much to start with, so him ending 2013 at #20 is very plausible.
     
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    No. I don't make bets online. Especially because it might not happen in my favor, we can't predict the future. It's just speculation.
     
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  50. ledwix

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    Why would Nadal quit on a season if he was not injured? Getting back to maximum abilities is a process; he surely understands that.
     
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