Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by townes75, Jun 30, 2006.
The guy's a clay court specialist and not much more .. a Thomas Muster Jr
He can win the Australian Open.
In my opinion, an Australian Open isn't that far away from him
He's going to win Australian. The ball bounces so high there and it's as slow as clay, perfect for him.
I am sure it will speed up next year. The tournament director resigned because he was criticized by almost everyone in Australia for making both the court and ball so slow this year.
Nadal can still win Aussie. His chances at W and US are a lot smaller right now.
Nadal will never win on the grass,but dont bet to much against him on any other surface.I think in the next year or so he will be the best on any surface other than grass.
he'll never win wimbledon or us open, too many ppl that will beat him, and australian, idk i think federer would beat him in the final if they played
Nadal will win all 4 before his career is over, mark my words...
I think Nadal can win on any surface. Clay and grass are just surfaces, colors on the ground, thats it. It shouldnt effect anyone.
I don't think Nadal is your typical clay court specialist.
It is pretty obvious that he has something beyond that.
One clear example is his very flat 2 handed backhand.
Current slowed conditions of ATP tour also helps.
All 4 slams are played and won from baseline anyway....
Nadal has basically same stuff that Federer became
successfull with, strong baseline game...
Nadal does not have a flat backhand.
agree with you 100%
Nadal is a typical clay courter. Great movement, great fitness, heavy topspin shots, likes high-bouncing courts. He simply does it at such a high level that he is able to succeed on other surfaces with that type of game.
Ugh...these kinds of 'absolutist' posts are a bit silly. Even though I personally don't much like his style of play, i can still say that he's got a ton of game and plenty of potential for the future. He CAN flatten out his strokes, the backhand in particular. His movement around the court, as well as his consistency, are huge assets to his game. Granted, he may not exactly have that one 'huge' shot that wins him points (e.g. Sampras'/ Roddick's serve, Agassi's/ Fed's forehand) but his game is so tough all-round that, as Steve said, he's able to succeed on all surfaces. He's already beaten Fed on hardcourts, remember!
In addition, he's also one of those rare claycourt guys who wants to learn how to succeed on other surfaces. He's repeatedly mentioned how much he wants to do well on grass, and given his young age that's a great attitude to have. Lendl didn't make a serious commitment to winning on grass until he was in his mid-20's, if you remember, and he was about as pure a baseliner as you could come by. He managed two finals at Wimby and did well at the warm-ups as well.
The varying surfaces between the Slams these days don't require the same drastic modifications to one's game as in years gone past. This works in Rafa's favour. The fact that he's still learning the game outside of 'aggro-clay-defense extraordinare' means that, hopefully, he'll provide some entertaining tennis for years to come.
PS Still can't belive i posted something positive about Rafa! Hehe
Nadal can flatten out his backhand. He always has been doing it.
Thing is it doesn't matter that he has extreme grips. Thats not what it comes down to with him. Nadal is not going to change his grips, no player does. Its about his ability to acclimate strategically and mentally, which he is clearly doing.
His forehand may be loaded with spin, but he is so strong and powerful the ball often trabvels through the air just as quickly as most other players. He is also the strongest player out there mentally.
Which is why he looked so dumbfounded towards the end of last year. a clever ruse to set this year up.
truer words were never spoken . . . er . . . written.
are all you psychics and fortune-tellers available for parties??
Well, What I see is something beyond that.
His game has clay courter's mold but his mind set is different from
typical clay court mentality. And he has some of extra shots
for other surfaces. Somewhat like Moya. Not as forceful as Moya for
his forehand but has better hands for touch and more oppotunitistic
counter puncher. And I have to repeat the importance of his
flat backhand in his game....
are you a fortune teller? wil i get the job?
NADAL HAS ALREADY WON A HARD COURT MASTERS OVER FEDERER IN THE FINAL, SO THAT PROVES HE CAN WIN AT THE US OPEN OR AUSSI OPEN
The u.s open is a different beast, the courts play fast and Nadal stays way behind the baseline.He will get overpowered everytime.
And every time someone says Rafa can't do something, what does he do?
He does it.
It took him a couple years to conquer clay, and along the way he scooped up some pretty nice hardcourt titles. Also, overcame a few records, matched some others. Just all normal stuff for teenage competitors, as you know.
So, now that he's conquered clay at the grand old age of 20, you gotta think he's got other fish to fry. And he'll be looking to do so.
Hard to bet against him given what he's accomplished so far. But I know you all will do so anyway.
Correction, Nadal has won TWO hard court tiles, 2004 Nasdaq 100 and 2006 Dubai. Both time the runner-up was Federer.
How cute, are you new to the game of tennis?
If the court isn't clay slow, nadal seems pretty affected.
Rafa has never won the Nasdaq in Miami. He was runner-up to Fed last year.
Rafa has 4 ATP hard court titles (not including challengers). He beat Agassi at AMS Montreal last year, Coria in Bejing, and then Ljubicic in Madrid. Then he beat Fed this year in Dubai.
Word is that the court in Dubai is very close to the one at Flushing Meadows.
Rafa has had two ATP hardcourt finals. The final against Fed in Miami last year, as mentioned, and the year before, he was in the final in Auckland against Hrbaty, who won in three sets.
Not bad for a claycourt specialist who just turned 20. ;-)
not exactly the best he could have done either, is it...
Nadal can't become a woman.
nadal cant make a rock so large he can't lift it.
i dont see nadal becoming a grass court challenge to any one that isn't technical. He is just a power user that runs everything down. im pretty sure someone can take him out here at wimby, i mean, it's already almost happened this year.
He's tough on any surface, but on grass the only difficulty is passing him. He gets to every ball, the only way to do it is to hit through him.
He certainly has a chance at the Australian Open and the US Open. He'll be the 2nd favorite at both of those, unless guys like Safin and Roddick and Hewitt start shaping up.
I agree. And as for the grasscourt season, which everyone has been harping on for months -- it lasts for what, 4 weeks? And then the Tour moves back again to hardcourts.
Grass is a special surface, and Wimbledon is a special tournament, but in the scheme of things, when you look at the whole year, it's basically one month of the Tour.
Which means that any player who can't play on grass is going to have a bad month, and any player who can only play on grass, is going to have a good month (not many of those, as most players who do well on grass also play well on other surfaces, too). Still, it's a good for month for guys whose games do well on grass.
But hardcourts are the bread and butter of the Tour, with clay being a close second.
So the emphasis on grass is a fleeting thing -- because it won't be an issue again for another year.
The way he is built and the way he hits the ball now, he can win on any surface. The only thing that can slow him down to ordinary is when he gets older (mid 20's) and becomes less fit (too muscular). He is built most optimally now, and he can run down many impossible shots. Disagree, just ask Fed.
You just wrote off one of the most prestigious events in tennis because it is a "fleeting thing". That "fleeting thing" will cost nadal a career slam if he ever gets to that point. That additionally disproves and contradicts what has just been said about his grass "potential".
best threat ever...where is VamosRafa?
Stop bumping old threads with failed predictions. Anybody can do that.
You just don't want all your fail predictions being bumped in the future.
Besides, pretty much everyone who replied disagreed with the OP anyway.
I bet the guy who started this thread wishes the Internet could "forget" stuff....
Hmmm, how about this? Roger will never win a major again? How's that one feel *******s? jk, but I love how people hate on nadal and then he just gets better.
I just wanted to show that it is important to respect the players, I'm a fan of nadal and I will never say that federer can or can not win
where is this guy? is incredible to say that in 2006
yea, can someone find him?
and can some nadal hater please please make a thread saying nadal will never win the calendar year slam in 2011.
Looks like the account is gone. Wonder if he requested it go, or if it was deleted.
So funny to read this thread in 2010....
I see the Nadal fanatics are showing hindsight bias. It's easy to take a crap on someone when you're teleported in the future, no? I use hindsight bias to criticize Nicholas II for allowing Lenin and his terrorists to take power and end the Romanov Dynasty.
camon! we are slaves of words and owners of our silence, it's the law of
we must learn from the past...
No, I think it's just more of showing how stupid people can be. All of this "he will never" stuff is just lame, and it's been going on for years. I can certainly see why some people would want to revive this stuff and show people up. All people need to do is have a little more respect...
"He will never win Wimbledon..oh wait, no he will never win a HC major...oh well, he doesn't have a chance at the US Open the real HC major."
Why is this even necessary? If someone wants to go on record as talking some massive crap don't be surprised if it comes back to bite you on the rump.
Actually, this thread gives me an idea. Federer will NOT win a GS next year! There! The jinx should be working in full gear now.
Yeah, it's a great idea to bump stupidity. We certainly don't have enough as it is.
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