Nadal wins USO 2009

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  1. Nadalfan89

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    This board is acting like Nadal got his legs amputated or something. He has TENDONITIS; it's really not a big deal. Saying he isn't going to win another slam is ridiculous. After Federer's less that stellar 2008, people were saying he was finished. We all know they were wrong on that one; now the fickle masses are going to be put in their place again once Nadal is at 10 GS and counting.

    Nadal wins USO 2009, mark my words.
     
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  2. samprasvsfederer123

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    telling me hes gonna beat federer who def wants to win to break another record, the new and improved roddick, and and equally hungry murray? maybe but i dont think so
     
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    I'll state the obvious: whatever his problem is called, tendonitis or schmlendonitis, it caused him to withdraw from Wimbledon; so yes, it most definitely IS a big deal. How many defending champions in history have withdrawn from the major tournaments, especially those as tenacious as Nadal?
     
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  4. dh003i

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    Yea, it's a big deal. But hopefully, Nadal will take all the rest he needs and be back strong.

    It wouldn't be a bad thing if he came back to win the USO.

    Or if Roddick did.

    Or if Federer did.
     
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    If it really is tendonitis and Rafa gives it the time it needs to completely recover like it seems hes doing right now, he's going to come back better than before. Seriously if it is tendonitis and he allows his body to completely recover his knees will be stronger and in better shape than before. It can be chronic if he keeps playing too much over too long in the future but hes a smart guy, hes gonna cut his schedule and be more selective.

    This is all if it really only is tendonitis though. If it was something serious which it could with the extended time off hes taken he could end up like Hewitt. But more likely he took wimbledon off to make sure the knees were completely fine and a little more to give himself a break. If I were a Nadal fan I would not worry at all about his comeback, I'm more worried as a Fed fan that Nadal comes and takes one of those hardcourt masters and throws federers confidence going into the USO a little.
     
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  6. OTMPut

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    Hey yea blind fella. Federer never pulled out of any major in 2008. Nor he was pawned in 4th round.
     
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  7. DownTheLine

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    I was being rude I am sorry.
     
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    - Bjorn Borg, 1981 French Open Champion did not defend his title
    - Vitas Gerulaitis, 1977 Australian Open Champion did not defend his title
    - Andres Gomez, 1990 French Open Champion did not defend his title
    - Goran Ivanisevic, 2001 Wimbledon Champion did not defend his title
    - Andre Agassi, 2001 Australian Open Champion did not defend his title
    - Pete Sampras, 2002 US Open Champion did not defend his title

    and many more

    It happens, what's the big deal?
     
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  9. MizunoMX20

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    I think knowing Nadal he is definately in with a shout. The last few years he's had an extremely busy schedule running op to USO, so the rest might be a good thing for him.

    Maybe it's wishful thinking but I think he's the main favourite next to Federer.
     
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    Sure it's possible,if he's recovered fully by then then why not.He reached SF last year so he might go a step or two further this year,I wouldn't put him as the 1st favourite but he certainly has a fair shot.After all he did win Olympics which was played on the same surface(he really played well there)and as I said reacheds SF at USO last year.

    And yes,I sincerely doubt Nadal won't win any more slams in the future.People here are fickle,I remember how many Fed is done/should retire and similar threads were there after his loss at AO this year and Wimbledon last year.Never write off a champion I say,you might regret it later.
     
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  11. Blinkism

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    Also, the Canada Masters is the same surface as the USO and Nadal is a 2-time champion there.

    So the next 2 Masters should be a clear sign of Nadal's fitness for the US Open.
     
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  12. FedFan_2009

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    Let's see how he does in the 2 Masters events first before declaring him US Open champ. Even a 100% Nadal is not shoe-in to win it.
     
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  13. rommil

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    Amputated? Well there's always wheelchair tennis.
     
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  14. zagor

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    Sure we'll see how he does there but given that he lost in Doha warmup this year to Monfils and still went on to win AO I wouldn't write him off even if he doesn't do that well at Canada and Cinncinati.
     
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    Hush. Shhhh. Be quiet. I'm mostly a Federer fan, but I love Nadal and miss his presence in the tennis world (I'm a tennis fan first). Don't jinx the US Open...one step at a time, my friend, let him get through Montreal first.

    There's no doubt that Nadal will win more grand slams, but slow and steady, he's so young, but his knees are obviously a major issue and his style of play doesn't help his cause. My hope is that he can adapt and adjust. He's a great player with great skill -- but he needs to be able to go the distance without destroying his body. Frankly, I'd prefer him lose a few, get into the swing of things AND THEN focus on winning, defending points, and winning slams.

    Nadal has already proven himself as on of the best ever, in fact, he's forced himself into the GOAT argument at a younger age than Fed did (again, I'm mostly a Federer fan) -- and anyone who questions that is a moron -- sometimes I think he becomes overzealous...which isn't entirely bad, but not entirely healthy.

    At the end of the day, I just want to see a few more amazing matches between Federer and Nadal when they're both feeling great -- the two of them have such respect for each other and it's such an amazing rivalry. Roddick was a nice substitute, but it wasn't the same.
     
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  16. ninman

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    At least 3 of the people on your list did not defend their title because they retired, not because they were injured.
     
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  17. Blinkism

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    Borg, Sampras, and who else?

    Btw, Borg not defending his title is a good sign of not being tenacious. He retired in his prime, not like Sampras who was at the tail end of his career when it made sense.
     
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    Borg, Ivanisevic and Sampras retired within a year of that happening. Not applicable to the case with Nadal.
     
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  19. Blinkism

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    Ivanisevic retired 3 years after (he played Wimbledon 2004) - shoulder injury prevented him from playing Wimbledon the next year.

    Borg retired a year after (he played Monte Carlo 1982) - Borg's retirement decision was not based on age or lack of results, but his own reasoning to retire in the middle of his prime. He really should have played the 1982 FO and I'd think he would have been the favorite.

    and Sampras fully retired after the USO, yes, I'll give you that one.
     
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  20. batz

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    Let's hope that you are correct - but tendonitis can be a very big deal to a professional sportsman:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Hargreaves


    The start of Hargreaves' second season at United was blighted by injury worries, specifically a recurring patellar tendinitis problem that restricted him to sporadic appearances in 2007–08. After trips to specialists in both London and Sweden yielded no results, Hargreaves travelled to Colorado, United States, in November 2008 to visit renowned knee surgeon, Richard Steadman.[2][3] Hargreaves underwent surgery on his right knee on 10 November 2008 and received a similar operation on his left knee in January 2009. However, this meant that Hargreaves would miss the remainder of the 2008–09 season.[4]
     
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  21. kOaMaster

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    I don't think so @ OP.
    Do not compare injuries with people who are called off for weird reasons.
    And do not compare what Federer did in the last few months with Nadals situation.
     
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    Well its not impossible that Nadal wins the USO. But he will have a harder time though, depending on his knees. Not to mention the competition is tougher on hardcourts.But yea its definitely possible but lets not jump the gun. Hardcourt season is where Nadal kind of fades abit. I would say last year was as good as it gets for nadal in terms of hardcouts but i guess he can always win the USO even if he gets knocked out in masters series and other tournaments leading to the USO.

    But i would like to see roddick win it this year for a change.Im a fed fan but ever since he broke the record i dont feel like i need to root for him as much.
     
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    wrong.

    from wikipedia:

    The 2001 Wimbledon title was the last of Ivanišević's career. He temporarily retired later in 2001 due to shoulder surgery. He returned to tennis in 2004 but retired permanently after a third-round loss to Lleyton Hewitt at Wimbledon, held on the Centre Court, the scene of his greatest triumph.
     
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  24. T. H. Park

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    Tendinitis is just one problem with Nadal. It has been with him since day 1 basically. His real problem is losing at RG to Sodelring in the quarter finals (and before that Madrid in straights to Federer whom he "owns" on clay AND barely winning a 3 set match in 4+ hours to Djokovic AND Verdasco at AO ... AND etc.). At the Madrid interview Rafa said something like RG is totally different and he's totally ready. He may have been right at that time but was wrong in the end.

    I am pretty sure he stands a good chance of winning more majors, especially RG. But the USO is a tough one. But he may surprise everyone. He will be fresh and may actually achieve it, but fast HC are his worst surfaces, so, at best, it will be most difficult (his early rounds will be especially important for him). If he does not do well this remainder of the season, I don't see him bouncing back next year. If he does well, I can see him come back strong next year. The mental aspect is really key here, more than those knees in some respects.
     
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  25. Yeah,if you keep telling yourself that he will repeatedly maybe you will believe it in the end.
     
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  26. mandy01

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    For some reason I agree with the OP.
    Remember guys Rafa was out the end of last year and bounced back to win the AO.
    Its definitely possible IMO.He's Rafa Nadal.You never count him out.
    Havent those who gave him no fair chance at the AO not learned anything yet?
     
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  27. As far as i know,there is a HUGE difference between the AO and the Open.
     
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  28. lambielspins

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    Actually before the Australian Open many were picking him to win. The U.S Open is a much faster surface and he is coming back from an injury, plus Federer, Murray, Del Potro, and Roddick are all stronger now than they were before January.
     
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  29. Rippy

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    Yes, and there is a HUGE difference between Roland Garros and AO. Nadal is good at achieving things people didn't think he would ever do.
     
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    Good post (clap, clap)
     
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  31. No. Insert Federers name instead of Nadals and you will get it right.
     
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  32. Mansewerz

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    His tendonitis is a big deal. He pulled out of Wimbledon!!!!!!!


    And the Fed example doesn't work. Fed wasn't injured after Wimbledon.
     
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    according to wikipedia treatment for tendinitis is largely palliative (help cope with symptoms rather than heal).
    not to say that he can not come back, but i think it may be delusion to believe that tendinitis is not serious for an athlete.
     
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  34. OrangePower

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    The big deal is:

    - Bjorn Borg, slams after 1981 French Open = 0
    - Vitas Gerulaitis, slams after 1977 Australian Open = 0
    - Andres Gomez, slams after 1990 French Open = 0
    - Goran Ivanisevic, slams after 2001 Wimbledon = 0
    - Andre Agassi, slams after 2001 Australian Open = 1
    - Pete Sampras, slams after 2002 US Open = 0

    Total slams of the above illustrious players after failing to defend a grand slam title = 1.

    So what was your point again? If you're trying to make it look even worse for Rafa, you're succeeding :)
     
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  35. mandy01

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    Nadal has made the semis there just like he did at the AO in last year.I'm not saying he's going to certainly win it.But you never count him out.His game has significantly improved.
     
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    Jumpin the gun a little are we?

    Lets see if Nadal can even come back and play decent tennis before we denounce him the USO winner. K?
     
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    Fool, Nadal pulled out of Wimbledon so he would have a better chance of winning the USO. Look he lost a tight exhibition to Wawrinka, who as we all know pushed Murray to 5 sets. Nadal clearly could have played Wimby. But Nadal knew going far would be tough, and also, him playing there would ruin his USO chances

    I guarantee you that if Nadal had never won Wimbledon, he would have played there, and would have probably lost to Hewitt or Stepanek
     
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  38. Yes,i totally agree,people are getting a little to carried away creating illusions about a player that is not even capable of playing at the moment.
     
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  39. thalivest

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    I will be happy with the semis this year. Anything more would be a bonus.
     
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  40. JeMar

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    So, did he drop out of Wimbledon for S&Gs then?
     
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  41. Ambivalent

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    I would mark your words, but that didn't work out so well for maximo.
     
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    You dont get it do you. Nadal pulled out, because for the first time, he is thinking about the future. He knew that if he played, he would not win, so rather than stress his knees more, he took a break so that by time the USO came hed be healthy enough to win the USO.... the one major he is missing

    It sounds like a smart plan to me
     
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  43. Ambivalent

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    It makes it all the more sad when he doesn't win it.
     
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    A lot of people here are personal friends with Nadal and are well aware of his plan to skip out on his most coveted GS in favor of the USO...

    wait..
     
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    i would be happy to see Murray or Nadal win the USO.
     
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    I would be too. Much rather one of them than Federer or Djokovic.
     
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    It can be sad yet there is no shame in losing to a better player if that's what happens.
    It is a bit encouraging to speculate Nadal being smarter with his scheduling if that's really what he is doing. A full force style of play that Nadal does will push everybody around him and that can only mean one thing, better tennis.
     
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    Werent people saying the same thing when Nadal said he wanted to win Wimbledon? And that was before he had ever had sucess on grass

    Nadal has had sucess on hard courts, and people dont think he can win.... crazy
     
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    Because his illnesses/injuries were nothing but excuses.

    Nadal fought until his legs could not do the job anymore.

    Roger is a woman, if his injuries were serious he would not have been able to play at all.
     
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    Tell that to BreakPoint...
     
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