Nadal's Arrogance

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  1. Chopin

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    Yet more arrogance from Nadal:

    "Cilic is good, is young and has a very good serve but if you are losing 6-1 6-3 there are a lot of things you are doing wrong," said Australian Open champion Nadal. "Mentally I probably wasn't there.

    "The worst thing for me is when I had a little bit of a chance to come back into the match in the second set I didn't play well."

    Note: I'm kidding. How is it that if Federer says almost the exact same thing after a match he's classified as arrogant, while Nadal is humble? Huh?
     
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  2. defrule

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    It's by definition.
     
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  3. Nalbandian great

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    When Rafael loses, it's always he. Never rival's merit
     
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    can't change how your opponent plays, but if you focus on how you could improve you might have a better shot next time.
     
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  5. Jason Vorhees

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    I think Nadal gets away with more arrogance because he does have an ounce of humility, unlike Federer.
     
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  6. mandy01

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    Nadal just does it with his smile and his so called broken English.
    The same comment would've gotten Fed ripped for somehow not giving cedit to his opponent.
     
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  7. VivalaVida

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    LOL. Had Federer said this, we would have been on page 5 of a full blown flame war.
     
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  8. Conquistador

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    Thats because Federer is the boss. He has been running the tour for years now. When Federer speaks people listen.
     
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  9. namelessone

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    I know you are kidding but what is Nadal saying that is so offensive? If he is losing 6-1,6-3 he isn't doing anything right,which I felt was a very good assesment of the match. It's like Fed losing 6-1,6-3,6-0 in RG. Besides Nadal playing great that day,Federer had a crappy strategy and did few things right that day.
    Yesterday Nadal's serve sucked(as usual),his groundies fell short,his fh betrayed him and his BH didn't show up(again). He basically won 4 games from Cilic's mistakes. Look at the match again. His first winner was at 3-2 in the second for god's sake. If Cilic would have kept up his game Nadal would have been double bagelled or breadsticked.

    And it's true that he wasn't mentally in the match. Why? Because Cilic stunned him in the first and Nadal recovered just a bit in the second,but just as he did in the delpo matches and the djoker one in cincy,he came to the realisation that he had nothing to hurt these guys and basically just held on as much as he could. Nadal's fight on clay and grass is backed up by his weapons on these surfaces. He knows he can come back at any time and at any score on those surfaces. Remember how he came back from 5-1 against Fed in MC last year? And that is just one example. On HC Nadal can only react,he can't dictate and that is the biggest flaw in his HC game.

    And another thing about the "mentally I was not there" bit.
    Nadal is only human and has had a rough year and his confidence,as well as his body,has taken a beating. Injuries plagued his 2009 season(one during RG,the other one during USO),he lost RG,he withdrew from queens/wimbledon/bangkok,he received a few severe beatdowns in a short amount of time and so on. No matter how strong you are mentally these things get to you. Yesterday,just like in the third set of the delpo match in USO,I saw that Nadal wasn't in the match anymore mentally. He was having nervous reactions,talking to himself,losing his calm,things which are very unusual for him. Seeing Nadal like this was like watching Fed break his racket in Miami. It's not their style and indicates that something is wrong mentally.

    The last sentence is also true. Nadal had one tiny(read:very tiny) chance to come back in the second and make it 5-4 and with Cilic serving. What he probably thought is that if he could have made it to that scenario he could have clutched the second and make Cilic more nervous about the outcome(cilic is famous for not knowing how to finish out matches). Even Cilic said in the interview afterwards that he felt Nadal getting into his game more in the second set.
     
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  10. DarthFed

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    He didn't say anything offensive, that's the point. Had Fed said it it'd have been twisted like crazy to make him arrogant.
     
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  11. mandy01

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    ^^ you dont really need to lecture someone who was joking in the first place.
    The thread was made more to point out the double standards of *******s .
     
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  12. Chadwixx

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    Has nadal won a tournament since getting off the juice?
     
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  13. BallzofSkill

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    i think it's because we have far more federer haters than we do nadal haters. most socalled nadal haters are people who don't like the way he plays and think that he's got a boring style. federer haters otoh take everything personally for some reason. they might have never met the guy, and overlook the fact that he's been voted sportsman of the year by his peers a record number of times.
     
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  14. mandy01

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    quoted for truth..it is exactly that.
     
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  15. Cesc Fabregas

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    If Nadal plays well he beats Cilic 9/10.
     
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  16. TMF

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    Playing well or not is irrelavent. Nadal lost and he made an arrogant remark.
     
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  17. akv89

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    When Cilic plays well, he beats Nadal 6-1 6-3
     
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    Really? On a fast indoor court? I don't think so, and the 6-1, 6-3 scoreline suggests otherwise.
     
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  19. mandy01

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    well,I can guarantee Nadal will,like against all his opponents never have a legit loss against Cilic.
     
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  20. tudwell

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    He was exhausted.
     
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  21. Baikalic

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    To be fair, I think there's a slight difference between:

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    That being in the latter case, a dig against the other player remarking on how the winner was not the better player. Might be true, but it's strikes me as a bit inappropriate for the situation, don't you think?

    I do not think either are arrogant ever. One is typically more honest and lets his feelings out more, however stormy they may be, (Fed) than the other (Nadal) who is more reserved in what he wants to let the press know. We may have seen here, though, the first hint of Nadal being a little more heart-on-his-sleeve.
     
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  22. P_Agony

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    Nothing is wrong with what Nadal said, all we are saying is that had Federer said the exact same thing, this would be a huge flame war about how arrogant Federer is. That's all.
     
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  23. drakulie

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    embarassing, and arrogant.
     
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  24. mandy01

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    uhm..you didnt see what he said later...he said it was the matter of momentum and the interviewer's question was exactly that.He was asked if he felt he had the momentum going into the fifth and imo he implied that while a lot depends on the momentum in the fifth set of a match he himself certainly let up..which he did..his shots were erratic to say the least.It wasnt a dig.He never said he would've won that match..but he handed it on a platter in the fifth especially when he was the better player going into the fifth set.
    btw-Didnt Roger say he got lucky in that fifth set against Nadal in Wimbledon 2007? And that was inspite of the fact that most of the BPs were saved due to his clutch serving.So he's applied it to himself as well.
     
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  25. Cesc Fabregas

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    I might be going blind but I didn't see Nadal calling Cilic 1 dimensional.
     
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  26. mandy01

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    He was still not giving him credit..and there is no need to change the topic.
    Its about what Nadal said and it was no good either.
     
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  27. edmondsm

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    Don't split hairs. There are a million ways to make an arrogant comment, and you and the Nad army would have been all over Federer for saying the exact same thing.
     
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  28. slice bh compliment

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    LOL, good one.
    He's not in very good shape. It's called working out, Rafa. Look into it.

    Well, he's probably too arrogant to admit he's exhausted? Or too nice a guy?

    My personal opinion is that he'd be lying if he simply said he got blown off the court. He probably should have said something really nice about Marin, then moved on to the part about having chances in the 2nd. Then giving credit to Marin for closing like a top player.

    Rafa will be back. No question.
     
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  29. mandy01

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    He aint arrogant..but its fun to point out *******s double standards :mrgreen:
     
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  30. Great post!!:twisted:
    No he hasnt
     
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  31. namelessone

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    Yes,cause Nadal was killing everbody on HC this time last year when he was "on the juice":rolleyes:
     
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  32. JennyS

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    I think Nadal's racquet bag with color coded stars representing his GS wins is another great example of double standards when you consider the outrage over the "15" jacket.
     
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  33. World Beater

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    what about the # of bulls on his shoes? the biggest problem with it all is that sue barker called federer out on it...nadal's "stars and stripes" were not in the limelight.
     
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  34. Well, to be sure, Nadal IS getting bashed now, and deservedly so.

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    lol he says he had a chance in the second set. Cilic wasted a ton of BPs in that set!! Cilic had a breakpoint in every Nadal's serving game, some of them connected bps. It could have been 6-0 if Cilic had converted some of them.

    Actually, I got the stats. Cilic had 10 bps and converted 3. Nadal had 2 BPs and converted 1.

    Sorry Rafa, but my respect went a few notches down.
     
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  35. bolo

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    lol. Nadal is surely catching up to cilic's one-dimensional game on hard courts as we speak. Nadal's going to be figuring him out with each additional loss. :)
     
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  36. Agassifan

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    haha
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  37. No Drop Shots

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    If you are the greatest player that has ever lived, have won more titles than any other player that has ever lived, earned more money than any other player that has ever lived...... cannot some degree of arrogance be forgiven?

    Dictionary definition of arrogance...unpleasantly proud and behaving as if you are better or more important than other people.

    I personally do not think Fed is arrogant, he is not unpleasant as the definition above, he has incredible self confidence and as the greatest ever, it is justified!!

    Nadal is not arrogant either, you guys just like to bash, if he was arrogant, then as having only won 6 GS's and consequently only being the 20th most successful player of all time, it would not be justified!!!!
     
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  38. Emelia21

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    He will leave Roger to say this when Cilic beats Roger

    As for who is more arrogant both are :cry: one though more than the other
     
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  39. Chopin

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    "Not usually the better player always wins." Tough to read too much into that considering the sentence does not even make sense.
     
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  40. Baikalic

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    So he could have said what you said, and not said "not usually the better player wins." "Letting up on the momentum" does not equate to "the better player doesn't usually win."

    This is a matter of interpretation, and we will probably agree to disagree.
     
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    Yes; I have chosen one interpretation based on the closest translation to a meaningful sentence. People will chose to interpret it other ways; it all comes down to personal preference.
     
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  43. Baikalic

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    This is good.
     
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  44. edberg505

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    Yeah, too bad it wasn't last year. Roger dusted him in Paris last fall.
     
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  45. jackson vile

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    I thought it was because Nadal had mono and his little back was hurt LOL
     
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  46. mandy01

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    er...he said it was a matter of momentum in the very part you chose to include in your post :lol:
    He was talking about fifth sets in general.
    In reference to that particular fifth set he said he just gave up which is exactly what he did.
    If you read his whole answer and not just that selected bolded part you can actually see what he meant and he was most definitely right on that one.
    And he applied it to himself after Wimbledon..
     
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  47. mandy01

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    no..it was because he was tired,injured,altitude was too high,it was windy,surface was fast etc.
     
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  48. Baikalic

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    um...I appreciate you stating the obvious. I appreciate you assuming that I didn't read his whole answer. I appreciate you analyzing the entire conference for me. Thanks! :lol:
     
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  49. mandy01

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    I appreciate you picking lines out without taking into account the context .I appreciate you not comprehending what he said :lol: I appreciating you claiming you read what he said yet making a completely different sense out of it :lol:
    btw-I dont remember analyzing the press conference for you.What I do rmember is you taking his answer for a digg or being inappropriate which it wasnt.
     
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  50. Baikalic

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    I appreciate you assuming there is only one way to comprehend what he said. I appreciate you employing the assumptions that Nadal fans have double standards. There appears to be a history here, but I have not been around to see it.

    Let's back up one more time: I question why Federer decided to add the last bit in after his discussion on the momentum in the match. When I say "he could have said what you said," I meant that if he wanted to say that he let up on the momentum between the 4th and 5th set he could have emphasized that flat out and not added "not usually the better player wins," an awkward phrase suggesting more than just that the momentum decides a 5th set, but that better players usually do not win. Again, this is a matter of interpretation, and the fact that the sentence isn't entirely coherent doesn't help.

    In retrospect I did not clarify my intentions enough. I only bring this specific case up to demonstrate a case in which I believe double standards are not truly taking place, that it doesn't happen all the time, and that not all fans behave the same way. I like Federer, and I have never looked down at Federer for any of his actions except for this single instance. I viewed his crying at the AO as a great sporting moment (although it wasn't all that great for him) and that it demonstrated his love of the sport.
     
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