nadals better volleyer than federere says jogn mcenros

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  1. Rafa Garros

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    bbcs wimbeldon pundit john mcenros says "nadals better volleyer than federere, period" live on tv few minutes ago.
     
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    McEnroe has a tendency to exaggerate as a commentator. The truth remains that Nadal has become one of the better volleyers.
     
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    And he is. Until Fed's recent work with Annacone, he was a terrible volleyer with good hands that allowed him to occasionally hit spectacular volleys. Fed had no idea what shots to come in on and positions himself very poorly. He consistently flubs difficult but not impossible volleys (more so on the forehand side). He tends to stand too tall hitting volleys.
    Nadal, on the other hand, does what good volleyers do - put away easy volleys, come in behind strong approaches, cuts off the easy angles to force the opponent to hit the more difficult pass. Nadal has very good hands as well. What makes Nadal seem like a poorer volleyer is that he doesn't move like classic volleyers (he's just not the classic edberg mover) and his form isn't classic in the edberg mold.
    I would venture to guess most of the younger guys here don't know much about volleying. Most amateurs don't. I grew up serve and volleying and cringe when I see Federer hit volleys. Volleying is about much more than hitting the volley. It's about positioning, hitting the right approach shots, how to come in behind a ball and choosing what how difficult a volley to hit. These are all areas Nadal is better than Fed at. Nadal almost never hits a better (more difficult) volley than he has to. Fed is better under annacone but still with lots of work to do.
     
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    Before getting into further discussion, we should judge Fed’s skills base on the year when he was in his prime, not now. Today, some of his ability has been deteriorated(e.g. movement, ROS, defense).
     
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    mcenroes was reefering to present days federere. federere being pasts prime is by products of his longer years on tour and old age - as is his trophys haul and you dont wants to dismis that.
     
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    somewhat related to what TheRed points out, Fed on volley replays looks a bit casual to me lately, whereas Nadal's technique, while not classically graceful like an Edberg, seems more studied and careful when he volleys, a little more precise.
     
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    Didn't we just have a thread like this the other day. I think it got deleted probably due to **** flamewars. I'll say what I said in that thread though. Nadal is not the best volleyer in the game, certainly not better than Federer or guys like Llodra or even Gasquet. Too many times when I see Nadal at net I feel like he chooses to use the wrong type of volley for the situation. Most of the points he does win at net are due to pushing the opponent way off the court.
     
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    Roger Federer beat Pete Sampras serving and volleying, and won the 2003 Wimbledon lawn tennis championships serving and volleying. He knows how to serve and volley.
     
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    (Federer never had correct volley technique at any stage in his career, he refuses to bend his knees regularly)
     
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    Fed vs Sampras at Wimbledon? Fed S&V'd on every 1st and most 2nd serves, he's an exceptional volleyer.

    I've never seen Nadal S&V (not that he needs to) but most of his volleys are hit at the end of a long rally off after a strong groudstroke, not an approach shot, and he prefers the drop volley.

    Its not the same thing as volleying a strong passing shot at all.
     
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    (I saw Rafa serve-volley at the 2010 US Open, looks the same as any great volleyer serve-volleying)
     
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    Has anyone noticed that Rafa only really volleys when the volleys are putaways??? How often have you seen him dig or lunge for a volley. The reason his percentage is high isn't because he is a great volleyer, it's because he is a smart volleyer.
     
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    (Federer hits flatter more aggressive groundstrokes than Rafa, so Federer gets the most easy volleys [which he sometimes misses because he refuses to bend his knees]. Rafa bluffs his way in more often than Federer, therefore Rafa has often made some very athletic freak volleys or half-volleys)
     
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    TO CLARIFY:
    He actually said that at the moment, he would place Rafa as a better volleyer than Federer, due to his greater confidence. In this context, its not actually that radical a statement, more just an observation
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlBCv-89wxs
    0:28-Looks like he bends his knees just fine :roll:

    And can you stop putting your text in parentheses? You're wasting bandwidth. :p
     
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    And thats an understatement. Mac wants attention. Simple as that.
    Outside of that , i really like the guy.
     
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    Possible. I don't know any of these guys.
     
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    (McEnroe predicted Federer would win this Wimbledon)
     
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    Oh, in that case then he is right about that, but wrong about everything else. LOL
     
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  24. Who is jogn mcenros?? Is he any good?
     
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    Just before Wimby 2011 Pat Cash said that Federer used to be a better volleyer when he was younger. I tend to agree with that - watching him younger, especially the 2001 match against Pistol Pete, makes me realize that his volleys were better back then
     
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    Are there any other matches besides that one?
     
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    "Fedaroar hyts the spinniest yet flattest yet crispest yet framedest vollies of any1." - TheNatural
     
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    just watched the highlights of that one on youtube
     
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    WTH are you talking about? Have you ever watched Fed's earlier matches--i.e. Federer/Sampras 2001 Wimbledon? Federer was a very good volleyer.
     
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    this thread is such a good read. especially now with all the bad posts removed.
     
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    Fred should take volley lessons from Mcenroe, so he can become as good as Nadal one day.
     
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    If he wins the point, how was it the wrong choice?
     
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    All those people bringing up Fed's close win in 2001 againt Sampras time and time again.. it wasn't that hard to beat Sampras after 2000 at Wimby.
    No big deal. Ask George Bastl. Every Swiss could have beaten him.
    They did't even need great volleys. Fed's volleying was decent, as it is now. Certainly not great. He may have more of a classic style but resultwise, Nadal misses less putaways and makes more difficult ones. Faster hands, beter hand/eye coordination eyes, more touch. Though he's no Edberg either.
     
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    His next 2 Wimbledon matches after that Sampras match.
     
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    Again with this knee bend trash. You're obviously trolling now.
     
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    Not even close. Did anyone see the Nadal Sweeting match today? It seems as though every volley he did was a drop volley. I can't recall a time that I have ever seen him drive a volley through the court.
     
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    It's amazing that you've never heard of him. His greatest rivals back in the day were Jimsy Cornoss and Bornj Bgor.
     
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    LOL @ the tards..

    come back at me when rafa wins a wimbledon S + V all the way from round 1 to the final. LMAO...you people are pathetic.
     
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    Haha what? You wanna teach Roger some proper technique :D?
     
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    I mean, Jeez, tennis is crazy.

    I'm not even a Fed fan, I'm a Sampras Fan, then a Rafa fan, then a Fed Fan third, but to think Rafa volleys better than Federer because his stat sheet says he is 4/5 at net is ridiculous.

    Rafa only hits drop volleys for the most part. You rarely see him hit a proper solid forehand volley.

    Navratilova has stated that backhand volleys are easier, and most people who only hit drop volleys do so because they cannot hit proper solid volleys(not to say a drop volley isn't proper, I'm just trying to distinguish).


    And for the Record, recalling something Federer did 10 years ago. IE Serve and Volleying and/or beating Sampras Serve and Volleying doesn't apply today.

    Today he is out of practice at the net, and should have used his net game to dominate players when he was dominating the likes of Hewitt and Roddick, he chose not to use his net game as much as he probably should have, and now his volleys do look faulty and frail, but he still is better than Rafa at volleying, Rafa volleys balls on points which were already won from the baseline.
     
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    I agree with this a lot. Federer is a more natural volleyer, but he really neglected this part of the game and has for a long time picked the wrong time to come in and fluffed many volleys.

    Nadal tends to play it safer but picks his moments better. He knows what his capabilities are and he more often than not, picks the right shot. Federer often tries to play shots which will only come of 2 times out of 10 or decides to be agressive by coming in... at totally the wrong time. You can see when he's having a tough service game against Nadal, he all of a sudden decides to come into net and forces the issue badly.

    When he won Olympic doubles, it actually improved his net game a lot. He should practice doubles again maybe.
     
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    Dude, just stop. You are such a ralphtroll.
     
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    McEnroe always exaggerates.

    He also once said "you can not be serious" to someone who was being completely serious.

    He also said "you're the pits of the world" to the same person who was sitting on top of a raised chair.

    And also "I'll let the racket do the talking" when asked about defending his Wimbledon title. Racquets can't talk.
     
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    Thanks J'mac Uncle....hawks Here Were Not Believing My Confession That Nadal Is Best Volleyer Today...lobe U Lods..
     
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    (Federer knows the proper technique, he's just too lazy to use it)
     
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